xepherthree
Smash Ace
Sam said that was deadly if he was carrying BOMBS
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payasofobia
Smash Champion
Oh, bombs. That's what he meant.
Don't bring them. Or put them away from the hammers.
Don't bring them. Or put them away from the hammers.
@ Just
I meant to say can you explain why they would put them on if they rinder him pain and are useless.
@ Paya
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8855209&postcount=14644
I meant to say can you explain why they would put them on if they rinder him pain and are useless.
@ Paya
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8855209&postcount=14644
Salem
Smash Champion
Where exactly are the hammers going to be placed anyway, 5 ft? :/
justaway12
Smash Master
@Nova:To look koooool.
Besides, they don't render him useless, he can still move his arm, bend it, etc.
Since when do they render him in pain?
Again, the same can be applied to his shell, he always wore it in those fights, yet he would have been so much faster without it.
Besides, they don't render him useless, he can still move his arm, bend it, etc.
Since when do they render him in pain?
Again, the same can be applied to his shell, he always wore it in those fights, yet he would have been so much faster without it.
xepherthree
Smash Ace
Possibly.
The punch will definitely send ganon off his feet at best, leaving him in an indesireable position vs. a 13ft monster.
Bowser isn't quick per se, but ganon isn't a roadrunner either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeQ2TPu1aVw
1:50, I see hammers. ****loads of hammers.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_z3qOPdy0bWw/StqO-57JSAI/AAAAAAAAEew/2FhSK0jC4xk/s800/IMG_3791.JPG
In SMRPG Bowser had different shells, as in RPG3, so his shell is removable if he has different shells.
Bowser isn't fast as mario. Neither is ganon.
Salem
Smash Champion
Is removing the shell canon?
Who said? did nintendo?
Tattoos make you look cool. Braces that will scrape your flesh when you lift your arms is not cool. But be that as it may, I still support Ganon in both MUs.
xepherthree
Smash Ace
Well.
Peach's bombs were taken from SMRPG.
Bowser having different shells is being taken from SMRPG.
HMMM.
MAYBE NINTENDO MADE THOSE GAMES?
just sayin.
And a blow from Ganon will rupture an organ of Bowser. Ganon doesn't need to outrun Mario. He just needs to out manuever Bowser.
The hammers...He cannot throw 5 hammers simultaneously. And where does he store them?
Removable shells: canon.
How the hell does Bowser stick his head through the shell anyway?
justaway12
Smash Master
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m47/timidshadow/Bowser.jpg
You mean these =/
I don't they are big enough to do that or sharp enough.
@Nova:
You mean these =/
I don't they are big enough to do that or sharp enough.
@Nova:
Salem
Smash Champion
At first glance I agree. But those have been on his arms for years. That stuff wears down after some time and may even interfere with his circulation.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
On the Link MU: you missed the part where Link has absolutely no need to aprach Ganon or even move. Just wait till Ganon comes inside his range and then attack.
You also forgot the speed of arrows. 260ft/sec to 200 ft/sec. That's 16 346 073.4 meters per second. There is no way Ganon can dodge or deflect a flurry of arrows.
And just to show you how much overkill Bowmen have over knights, I'm going to give you this example:
http://www.stortford-archers.org.uk/medieval.htm
In 1415 King Henry V of England took a small army to France to try to enforce the English claim to the French throne. By late autumn things were not going well for the English. The weather was poor, and Henry's army was short of provisions, exhausted, and badly stricken with dysentery. Henry decided to make for his stronghold at Calais for the winter, but the French saw an opportunity to annihilate the English forces and advanced with a huge army to do battle.
The two armies met at the little village of Agincourt on the evening of 24 October, after the English forces had marched 260 miles in 17 days. King Henry's offer to buy peace was rejected, and on the following afternoon one of the decisive battles of the Hundred Years' War took place.
The battle of Agincourt has entered English folklore - and, indeed, popular culture as a result of the Laurence Olivier and Kenneth Branah film versions of Shakespeare's Henry V. No more than 6000 soldiers in the service of the English king faced about 50,000 French soldiers. Apart from the gross disparity in numbers, the other substantial difference between the two armies was in their use of the longbow. The English army was composed largely of bowmen (about 80%), whereas the French used virtually none.
The massive French cavalry charge was met by a storm of English arrows, as a result of which the cavalry fled back through the front columns of the French infantry. The English soldiers waded into the chaos armed with hatchets and billhooks and, backed up by their own small cavalry and the threat of their longbows, succeeded in dispersing the whole French army.
Technicaly, a single Link would be able to kill 8.5 Ganons by himself. Even with a bow half as strong as a longbow, that would still be 4.25 Ganons.
And on the Bowser MU: You missed the point where I said that without a shell, Bowser gains the same speed as Ganon, so Bowser would actually be able to catch up with him.
But that's not the winning blow. Hammers and Bombs. That is enough to beat Ganon.
Sword is not made to defend yourself because they do not cover the person enough to make up for our slow reaction times when it comes to dodging blows. That's why shields and armour were made. You don't have to worry about protection because you are covered all the time.
Chances are an arrow or a hammer will slip beside Ganon's feeble atempts at blocking with a sword and then the only thing left to do is wait till he bleeds to death. No need for finishing blows at all.
justaway12
Smash Master
@Nova:Again, he could remove them.
Prove that they are tight enough to cut off circulation =/
And read my edit, if you haven't already.
Prove that they are tight enough to cut off circulation =/
And read my edit, if you haven't already.
xepherthree
Smash Ace
I honestly don't believe that.
I don't believe that ganon's sword swing will transmit enough energy, if bowser blocks the sword with his arm, to travel through the 9-ish feet that bowsers arm is through muscle, fat and bone and still be string enough to rupture an organ. And after that, ganon's sword is stuck in bowser's arm, where bowser then punches ganon in the chest so hard his organs rupture. >.>
He stores hammers in his shell.
And he doesn't hit his head through the shell, it clearly rests on his back.
Link will run out of arrows. And Link doesn't have a longbow so I don't buy the Medieval stuff.
And how does Bowser defend against Ganon throwing his sword?
How does Bowser get hammers and where does he store them?
Ditto with bombs.
Chances are Link will try and all Ganon has to do is protect his face. His armor can withstand those arrows.
Chances are Bowser gets fatally injured when he reaches for [insert any Mario item used here].
I read it and I said something about it already because I read it.
How about this. Take two bands of blunt nails and keep them on your arms for about 4 months. Between the useage of your arms and the bands themselves, they will start to deteriorate and agitate the skin to the point it starts doing harm. That is the point tat I am trying to get across.
So explain how he takes this shell off and why he even bothers to wear it in the first place if he clearly doesn't need it (according to you all). I find it laughable that he would take his shell off during a battle when he never did it before and never has to. Matterfact, I'm questioning this entire shell thing in general...
And did you consider what a concussion is? Ganon just needs to agitate the organs of Bowser to kill him.
http://www.animalskeletons.net/trut3.jpg
There ain't a dang on thing Bowser can do about it.
justaway12
Smash Master
Again, he can take them off.
And I meant my edit about the shell
That proves you haven't read it.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8856226&postcount=14691
And besides http://themushroomkingdom.net/images/sma3/sma3_baby_bowser.jpg
these don't just magically change with size, he obviously took them off at one point.
xepherthree
Smash Ace
One: Link's default quiver holds 30 arrows.
And it's still a bow.
PAya said it goes like 16m/s? yeah. Ganon can't react to that. If he does, link shoots him in his upper thighs. Ganon can't move now.
Well, it's easy to take off, he either shakes it till it comes loose of pull it off.
Explain why peach carries a bomb bag around with her when she has never been seen to do so, then I'll answer you.
Or Zelda having a quiver.
BOWSER ISN'T A TURTLE
and the same goes for ganon.
Ganon is smaller then bowser, and a punch in the arm will definitely put ganon in a concussion.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
16 million meters per second.
xepherthree
Smash Ace
Oh.
****
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Link can hold 100 arrows with the biggest quiver.
http://www.zeldawiki.org/Quiver
@Link:
Even with half the power of a longbow, Link can still take 4.25 Ganons by himself. And with 1/4 the power, 2.125 or something. That's still an advantage.
Also:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThrowingYourSwordAlwaysWorks
A sword is not designed for throwing, because its shape and weight is optimized for swinging, thrusting, and other movements driven mostly by the user's arms, not for aerodynamically moving through the air on momentum alone. In addition, throwing your sword leaves you unarmed, so even if you hit, if you do not kill your opponent, you are still in a great deal of danger. Thus, a clean impalement of the chest is preferable for a thrusting sword, and for a cutting sword you're probably out of luck. When a hero does this, it is a sign of heroic desperation, but in fiction Throwing Your Sword Always Works, despite the fact that logically there should be an at least fair chance of hitting your target with the wrong end.
So Ganon's sword must hit Bowser with the very tip of his sword for the throw to work. Any other angle, and Ganon has no sword.
@ Bowser:
He needs not to store his hammers. Leave it on the ground, dammit. I said it before. A bag is only good to move objects efficiently, but you do not need a bag to move eficiently if you are camping your opponent.
@ Both:
And I said this before and I say this again:
Ganon's legs are unprotected.
xepherthree
Smash Ace
@paya
Wow.
anyone notice the
GIANT, GLOWING WOUND ON HIS CHEST?
Wow.
anyone notice the
GIANT, GLOWING WOUND ON HIS CHEST?
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Yeah, that too. Even with the woud healed, canonicaly his plate armour has a gaping hole on both sides of his body.
xepherthree
Smash Ace
Wait, I think Sam said that ganon still has chainmail where he plate armor stops?
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Doesn't matter, chainmail only helps with swords and cuts. Hammers will still transfer their force and arrows will slip throught the holes.
It would only help against Link because only he has a cutting sword. Ike has bashing sword and both Bowser and Ike have MOBS: Massive Ogre Balls of Steel (Trademark)
It would only help against Link because only he has a cutting sword. Ike has bashing sword and both Bowser and Ike have MOBS: Massive Ogre Balls of Steel (Trademark)
xepherthree
Smash Ace
Hammers I know, kinda doubting the arrows.
And I would sig that if Ray's weren't such fails
payasofobia
Smash Champion
http://www.ehow.com/about_5397089_history-medieval-armor-weapons.html
Chain mail was good general protection, but it could not withstand a direct hit from an arrow or lance.
Ganondorf: from Hero to Zero. He plumets from 2x, to -4x.
Chain mail was good general protection, but it could not withstand a direct hit from an arrow or lance.
Ganondorf: from Hero to Zero. He plumets from 2x, to -4x.
xepherthree
Smash Ace
Looks at x4...
O_O
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Technicaly, if the older outcomes are reset to neutral, and then redone, he would get to -4x.
He got:
+3 and -1= 2x.
He won against Link, Ike and Bowser. Snake kicked his ***.
Now he has:
-4=-4x
He lost against all of them.
Ike would get +4x now. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0j0lO7uQBo&feature=related )
Link would have +4x too.
The same for Bowser.
He got:
+3 and -1= 2x.
He won against Link, Ike and Bowser. Snake kicked his ***.
Now he has:
-4=-4x
He lost against all of them.
Ike would get +4x now. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0j0lO7uQBo&feature=related )
Link would have +4x too.
The same for Bowser.
JOE!
Smash Hero
ok, there is some stuff flying about that I wanna touch on here...and clear some misconceptions.
1st)
Link doesnt have to repeatedly fire arrows and wait till he's out vs ganon. He can *gasp* move closer or wait for ganon to move in.
Ganon also has no means of knowing where the arrow is gonna hit him (to block) before it hits him.
His legs also *are* vulnerable because the arrowhead has the punch to pierce through leather, and can slip between rings of mail. Would ganon actually have mail on his legs come to think of it?
2nd)
Bowser isnt as "lumbering" (for klack of a better word) as you say. Consider this:
he is 13ft tall averaged out, as well as having proportions to match.
he is apparently only 2600 lbs
for an example of how light you are making him for his frame, a black rhino (an average sized species of rhino) stands about 5ft at shoulder, and 11ft long. Bowser (as mentioned) is over 2x as tall as the rhino, and longer than 11ft.
the key difference here is that while much move massive than the rhino, the rhino weighs in comonly at 3000+ lbs, while bowser is only 2600.
wrap your mind around that for a moment, if bowser is so big, yet so light, would he not be able to move relativley quickly?
(just going with info you guys gave me)
3rd)
Bowser's shell is equipment (as of now). Koopas can remove their shells as if they were t-shirts, and bowser's seems to work like a back-pack, and is possible not only armor but a status symbol. (notice how higher ranking/tougher koopas in the games have spiked shells)
Better yet, what is keeping him from using its as a weapon?
4th)
As I argued in the first iteration of this MU, bowser has massive arms that could actually deal with Ganon's sword face-to face.
Simply grabbing the sword would render Ganon weaponless as Bowser is MUCH stronger, and has a second arm to deal with Ganon now that the first (now damaged) hand/arm dealt with the sword.
just some thoughts
EDIT 2:
Im gonna re-redo the chart this time around after we figure some stuff out about these MU's, i didnt reset the Matches in the chart, rather I treated each as New MU's in regards to placement.
REL38
Smash Lord
@Bowser being a potential x4
@Ganon being potential -x4
Low Tier:
Blonde chick
Spaceman with plantimals.
Two ****** kids
Boy with a stick
Fail attempt at a Dragoon.
Fail attempt at a Dino
Immobile blob posing as Jason.
Bottom Tier:
Ganon
Overweight Penguin
Pathetic hedgehog.
Yeeeeeah.
@Ganon being potential -x4
Low Tier:
Blonde chick
Spaceman with plantimals.
Two ****** kids
Boy with a stick
Fail attempt at a Dragoon.
Fail attempt at a Dino
Immobile blob posing as Jason.
Bottom Tier:
Ganon
Overweight Penguin
Pathetic hedgehog.
Yeeeeeah.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09s-c2JVI40
Had to do it after your YEAAAAAH!!!
After we discover a flurry of brand new weapons for simple characters that turned out to not be so simple.... GANOVER YEAAAAAH!!!
Had to do it after your YEAAAAAH!!!
After we discover a flurry of brand new weapons for simple characters that turned out to not be so simple.... GANOVER YEAAAAAH!!!
xepherthree
Smash Ace
Ganon is still bottom tier.
lawlz.
Gotta go to bed.
Ganon better lose all these in the morning
lawlz.
Gotta go to bed.
Ganon better lose all these in the morning
Salem
Smash Champion
Don't end these MU's without Sam.
He knows everything.
He knows everything.
Memorable_Random_Guy
Smash Journeyman
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....end it. End it now.
I want to see how US reacts when he returns and realizes Ganon was ****ed in the ***. Ganon is doomed. He can't fight against 100 hundred armour piercing and chainmail breaking arrows that travel 16 million meters per second. Or fight against throwing hammers and axes.
xepherthree
Smash Ace
Fixed.
And these MUs are already over.
Just discovering bowser could remove his shell sealed the MU, vs. Ike had already been proved, and JOE just proved vs. Link
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Discovering new and interesting ranged weapons did it IMO.
Too bad Ganon has no realistic weapons besides swords and a trident.
Too bad Ganon has no realistic weapons besides swords and a trident.
JOE!
Smash Hero
Discovering he could remove his shell made 2 things concrete:
1) wearing the shell and being hit will not make his organs go *sploot* like it would vs an actually shelled animal, due to it not being connected to him/that close the way a suit of armor is to a person.
2) he is alot more mobile than first thought due to the shell not being connected biologically to him
On this note, do ROy and Marth have acess to throwing tools?
1) wearing the shell and being hit will not make his organs go *sploot* like it would vs an actually shelled animal, due to it not being connected to him/that close the way a suit of armor is to a person.
2) he is alot more mobile than first thought due to the shell not being connected biologically to him
On this note, do ROy and Marth have acess to throwing tools?
payasofobia
Smash Champion
So we made Bowser OP. He is normaly very agile, but if the need arises and he can't just dodge attacks, he can just put that shell on.
And he now has hammers, a devastating ball in chain and fire bombs which effectively replace his flame breath.
And a cannon, if the need arises.
Also, JOE!: they don't. They are both stuck with swords, unlike Ike. The only ranged swords are ones that shoot magic.
But...there are arrows and the like in Fire Emblem, which could be realisticaly used by them because there is no stupid game mechanics getting in the way.....there are even crossbows, which are very easy to use. (In RD)
And he now has hammers, a devastating ball in chain and fire bombs which effectively replace his flame breath.
And a cannon, if the need arises.
Also, JOE!: they don't. They are both stuck with swords, unlike Ike. The only ranged swords are ones that shoot magic.
But...there are arrows and the like in Fire Emblem, which could be realisticaly used by them because there is no stupid game mechanics getting in the way.....there are even crossbows, which are very easy to use. (In RD)