TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

[xepherthree]

@ Salem:
1. Paya ninja'd you there
2. Counter productive, gives Link time to put more distance between them
3. 10ft? That's...awfully close.
4. Daggers aren't that fast(compared to other arrows), and it's also in its sheath, and Link is moving. Dagger= fail
5.True, unless he gets headshotted
If they only start 10 ft away, which I don't think they do, Link is f***ed

 

[Emperor Time]

K. Quick question before I leave.

Where are the bombs?

 

[xepherthree]

K. Quick question before I leave.

Where are the bombs?

On that topic,
all of these:
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Items_and_Weapons_of_The_Legend_of_Zelda_series
Like this
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Skull_Hammer

And on a comical note;
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Quake_Medallion
OMG! LINK CAN MAKE EARTHQUAKES!

 

[Salem]

@ Salem:
1. Paya ninja'd you there
2. Counter productive, gives Link time to put more distance between them
3. 10ft? That's...awfully close.
4. Daggers aren't that fast(compared to other arrows), and it's also in its sheath, and Link is moving. Dagger= fail
5.True, unless he gets headshotted
If they only start 10 ft away, which I don't think they do, Link is f***ed

I already know that as well. lol

Ganon is however faster than Link due to height and blah blah blah.

You realise the arrows have no need to be dodgeable, Ganon can block his face with his 6ft(?) or 5ft sword to not get shot in the face, meaning Link basicly can only go for the legs, where then Ganon can throw the Dagger into the face of Link after tanking the hit.

Ganon is much bigger than a normal human, his dagger throw will be much MUCH faster and stronger.
I heard somewhere that they started 10ft away from eachother thats the most thats been said and appearantly its "fair", I could search through this thread and find that when I have time.

Edit:

EARTHQUAKES, RAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEE!!!!!

@Emperor_Time

He has to light them and throw them, 10ft? Deathwish. lol

 

[xepherthree]

I already know that as well. lol

Ganon is however faster than Link due to height and blah blah blah.

You realise the arrows have no need to be dodgeable, Ganon can block his face with his 6ft(?) or 5ft sword to not get shot in the face, meaning Link basicly can only go for the legs, where then Ganon can throw the Dagger into the face of Link after tanking the hit.

Ganon is much bigger than a normal human, his dagger throw will be much MUCH faster and stronger.
I heard somewhere that they started 10ft away from eachother thats the most thats been said and appearantly its "fair", I could search through this thread and find that when I have time.

Edit:

EARTHQUAKES, RAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEE!!!!!

@Emperor_Time

He has to light them and throw them, 10ft? Deathwish. lol

I know he is, but Link isn't slow. And also, stabbing the swords into the ground only work if he's stationary; Link will then distance them selves.
Which sword?
The big-@$$ one might work, all the other ones no

The throw may be so, but not as fast as an arrow, and the attack is extremely telegraphed, Link would be "OMG GET OUT OF THE WAY"
And then ganon hs no projectile.
Well, as I said, Link is f***ed at 10 ft.
My impression in my mind was more like 30=/

lol @ earthquakes
Bombs would be no good.
Any comment on the SKULL HAMMER?!-doom-

IDK what that weapon is, what it's called, where Link got ti from, or what it does, but it looks useful

 

[REL38]

@Salem

1. They have always started at about the distance of a football field.
That's a lot.

2. A fort is absolutely rediculous.
Especially at that height.
Three swords and a Trident won't give him any cover. It'll only make him look like a fool.
All of the weapons have only a few inches in width. That's barely none. It only makes him a sitting target.

3. Holding a sword in front of your face is extremely unconventional.
If this actually worked IRL, you'd see documentation of this actually working throughout history.
It limits sight and leaves the entire body open. Namely, his legs and underarms.

4. A dagger thrown at 100 yards won't do anything.
The throwing motion is very predictable and Link can roll just before it's thrown to make it miss.
More so, throwing a dagger won't make it 100 plus yards with accuracy. Ganon has shown no "knife fighting" skills.

5. Ganon can't tank arrows.
Try moving when you've got an arrow lodged 3-4 inches into your legs, if not more.
An arrow hit will limit Ganon's movement.

 

[xepherthree]

@Salem

1. They have always started at about the distance of a football field.
That's a lot.

2. A fort is absolutely rediculous.
Especially at that height.
Three swords and a Trident won't give him any cover. It'll only make him look like a fool.
All of the weapons have only a few inches in width. That's barely none. It only makes him a sitting target.

3. Holding a sword in front of your face is extremely unconventional.
If this actually worked IRL, you'd see documentation of this actually working throughout history.
It limits sight and leaves the entire body open. Namely, his legs and underarms.

4. A dagger thrown at 100 yards won't do anything.
The throwing motion is very predictable and Link can roll just before it's thrown to make it miss.
More so, throwing a dagger won't make it 100 plus yards with accuracy. Ganon has shown no "knife fighting" skills.

5. Ganon can't tank arrows.
Try moving when you've got an arrow lodged 3-4 inches into your legs, if not more.
An arrow hit will limit Ganon's movement.

qft

10qfts

 

[Salem]

*Looks at pic*

Ganon's sword is still bigger(?) >_>

Obviously Link will distance himself, i'm always thinking about what each side would do.
And Obviously the big sword to protect his face, no other can do that. lol

Ganon has two projectiles, his dagger and his trident.

That sword in the pic is called a double helix sword, or something like that.
However... young link has that.O_o
We could possibly give it to Link but then Ganon could just dual wield spam him. XD

Hmm.. let's see, Link walking backwards away from the beginning of the fight getting ready to fire, that will be like either 1ft, and moving can indeed mess up your aim.

Ganon advancing forward is like 3ft due to height, meaning each step he gets closer to Link.

@REL...REL....RELLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Okay, to many people, each one of you stfu and let me give a reply first darn it.

Please point me to this post from the OP that says they have football field ft away from eachother.

I already know a fort is rediculous. lol
Just one of the random situations where he can camp.

His swords are his cover, he also has armor...

Wow... remember how samurai's hold their sword infront of their face? yeah, think about it.

*Face palm*

Ganon can tank it due to NOT being human, 8'6 ft, not human *points to green skin and round ears* and he can create earthquakes. XD
Get over it.

Same can be said for Link, did he have bow and arrow training? sense when did he get such skill?

 

[xepherthree]

Before I get off the comp for the night,
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Items_and_Weapons_of_The_Legend_of_Zelda_series
THESE ARE ALL THE KNOWN WEAPONS/ITEMS LINK HAS USED.
Techincally, he could use any item on this this list.
Particularly interesting is the Skull Hammer

and the megaton hammer

Both of which would destroy ganon's armor in seconds.

EDIT @ SALEM:
Double helix sowrd is something I wanna own IRL.
Link doesn't need to distance if they're are a football field away.
!
Couldn't link technically dual wield?
And point to me in the OP where it says 10ft
Football field is generally what is assumed
Samurai swords are only 1in at the broad of the sword.
The big isn't 1in probably on the FLAT of the sword >_>

So because ganon has different skin and ears, he's not human?

ITS A GERUDO
And who said Gerudo's weren't under the limitations of humans?
Considering YL was a bow user, it can be assumed he trained from then...

 

[Salem]

Before I get off the comp for the night,
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Items_and_Weapons_of_The_Legend_of_Zelda_series
THESE ARE ALL THE KNOWN WEAPONS/ITEMS LINK HAS USED.
Techincally, he could use any item on this this list.
Particularly interesting is the Skull Hammer

and the megaton hammer

Both of which would destroy ganon's armor in seconds.

lol

Thats heavy as shizz and Ganon can 2ft jump away from Link before it hits, 4'11 Link, remember?

Ganon actually has 4 swords now, i'm including the one from SSBM, the dark and brown one.
So he has...

Twilight Blade(TP Sword), Black Crusher(SSBM Sword), Ragnarok and Armageddon(WW Swords) Neptunes Trident (Various games.) Throwing Dagger(OOT).

He could possibly use a Bow+Arrow too if I debate with JOE! enough. X_X

Edit: SIGGHHHHHHHHHH

Yes, he's not human.
If we did that than we might as well say Bowser's a snapping turtle.
Can't, however I did hear alot of people talk about 10ft, I think I seen JOE! say something about it, he confirmed the ft somewhere...
Question...

Is arrows dodgeable from football ft?
I'm thinking they are, he can probably camp till Link runs out of arrows.

Most of Link's secondary swords are larger than the other, but it can work, but that depends on what he's dual wielding.

 

[JOE!]

back:

@ganon or link not being human:

they have human phyiques, and should be bound to it.

@falcon MU's:

i guess wario and mario could be redone...

on that note, so should Falco

 

[xepherthree]

lol

Thats heavy as shizz and Ganon can 2ft jump away from Link before it hits, 4'11 Link, remember?

Ganon actually has 4 swords now, i'm including the one from SSBM, the dark and brown one.
So he has...

Twilight Blade(TP Sword), Black Crusher(SSBM Sword), Ragnarok and Armageddon(WW Swords) Neptunes Trident (Various games.) Throwing Dagger.

He could possibly use a Bow+Arrow too if I debate with JOE! enough. X_X

LOL.
Melee was canon WHEN?

And still, if link hits ganon's chest, its a OHKO.

 

[xepherthree]

Double post because I can:
JOE, ZSS vs. Failcon is finished.
Luigi vs. Yoshi is a blowout.
Move on to Failcon MUs.

Xeph, out.

 

[Rialdospaldacht]

Link's not 4'11. The only time we have any indication of his height is OoT, at 5'3/4, depending on ingame or Word of God.

Also, Ganondorf's weapons don't have names.

 

[Salem]

@Xeph:

The chest area is not a weakness, it is gone in this MU.
There was also a time when he didn't have it either.

@JOE!:

JOE!... No, alot of people are born diffrent, we should not make everybody the same just cause they have simliar things, or I can call bias/BS and say Bowser is a turtle cause he looks like one, and is very simliar, see whats going on here?

Gerudo's are simliar to humans yet they are not, Koopa's are very simliar to turtles yet they are not.
They have their own category.

@Rialdospaldacht

I named them for the lolz, it should be obvious.
And we was comparing height at some point with Link in the mix iirc, I remember somebody saying he is 4'11, but thanks for the new info.

 

[REL38]

*Looks at pic*

Ganon's sword is still bigger(?) >_>

Obviously Link will distance himself, i'm always thinking about what each side would do.
And Obviously the big sword to protect his face, no other can do that. lol

Ganon has two projectiles, his dagger and his trident.

That sword in the pic is called a double helix sword, or something like that.
However... young link has that.O_o
We could possibly give it to Link but then Ganon could just dual wield spam him. XD

Hmm.. let's see, Link walking backwards away from the beginning of the fight getting ready to fire, that will be like either 1ft, and moving can indeed mess up your aim.

Ganon advancing forward is like 3ft due to height, meaning each step he gets closer to Link.

@REL...REL....RELLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Okay, to many people, each one of you stfu and let me give a reply first darn it.

Please point me to this post from the OP that says they have football field ft away from eachother.

I already know a fort is rediculous. lol
Just one of the random situations where he can camp.

His swords are his cover, he also has armor...

Wow... remember how samurai's hold their sword infront of their face? yeah, think about it.

*Face palm*

Ganon can tank it due to NOT being human, 8'6 ft, not human *points to green skin and round ears* and he can create earthquakes. XD
Get over it.

Same can be said for Link, did he have bow and arrow training? sense when did he get such skill?

Ask JOE.
It's been commented several times by JOE throughout this thread that the starting distance is the length of a football field.

Next, Samurai's hold their very different swords in front of them when they are engaging a foe in sword to sword combat.

They do not run like this. They only hold the sword infront of them when directly engaging the foe. They see because the blade is facing the opponent, ready to strike. If Ganon holds the sword so the blade is facing Link, it leaves much of his face open.

Ganon is not a samurai. He's a medieval king.

What you're suggesting is very unorthodox and unconventional.


Ganon will be hurt by an arrow.
He's got a humanoid appearance.
His skin isn't rock solid. It's flesh.
Flesh gets pierced by arrows.
Reptiles, sharks and bears have different skin types, but they all get pierced by an arrow.

Ganon cannot tank arrows that dig 3-4 inches into his flesh, if not more. It will tear into muscle tissue, cause bleeding and send shocks of pain with each movement.
One hit from an arrow will hinder Ganon from moving.
This isn't the movies where the knight tears the arrow from his leg and keeps going.
This is RL. A real life arrow will keep any person from moving.

Throwing a Trident, or any weapon for that matter, only works when in a large battle.
That increases the success ratio.
Throwing a Trident will be easily seen and countered. It won't even travel any longer than 30ft for that matter.

Link using the arrow for the entire game shows he has skill with it.

 

[Salem]

Ask JOE.
It's been commented several times by JOE throughout this thread that the starting distance is the length of a football field.

Next, Samurai's hold their very different swords in front of them when they are engaging a foe in sword to sword combat.

They do not run like this. They only hold the sword infront of them when directly engaging the foe. They see because the blade is facing the opponent, ready to strike. If Ganon holds the sword so the blade is facing Link, it leaves much of his face open.

Ganon is not a samurai. He's a medieval king.

What you're suggesting is very unorthodox and unconventional.


Ganon will be hurt by an arrow.
He's got a humanoid appearance.
His skin isn't rock solid. It's flesh.
Flesh gets pierced by arrows.
Reptiles, sharks and bears have different skin types, but they all get pierced by an arrow.

Ganon cannot tank arrows that dig 3-4 inches into his flesh, if not more. It will tear into muscle tissue, cause bleeding and send shocks of pain with each movement.
One hit from an arrow will hinder Ganon from moving.
This isn't the movies where the knight tears the arrow from his leg and keeps going.
This is RL. A real life arrow will keep any person from moving.

Throwing a Trident, or any weapon for that matter, only works when in a large battle.
That increases the success ratio.
Throwing a Trident will be easily seen and countered. It won't even travel any longer than 30ft for that matter.

Link using the arrow for the entire game shows he has skill with it.

lol

He has chain mail, how deep do you think that will go through that?

Nobody said it's not possible to hold the sword infront of your face, the sword at the hilt is fat enough to block an arrow head shot, using the sword that way is not banned and ganon has done it before.

If they have football field ft than Ganon can easily telegraph the arrow and dodge it, he's done it before.
30ft is pretty long.

 

[JOE!]

when has he telegraphed where an arrow will hit from 100yrds away before, exatly?

also, on your comment compaing why i compare bowser to a...not turtle, and gnaon to a human:

we have pretty sound data suporting bowser is nothing like a turtle.

Ganon has nothing standing out other than size to suggest him being able to do anything super-human outside of the perks that come with size.

 

[Salem]

when has he telegraphed where an arrow will hit from 100yrds away before, exatly?

also, on your comment compaing why i compare bowser to a...not turtle, and gnaon to a human:

we have pretty sound data suporting bowser is nothing like a turtle.

Ganon has nothing standing out other than size to suggest him being able to do anything super-human outside of the perks that come with size.

Yet that is not enough data for you people?
But a game NOT showing bowser taking off his shell is?

You also can't prove Bowser actually took off his shell in the Mario RPG games, he could have just put on an extra shell over the other one. :L
BUT you do not see that so you cannot assume he just takes it off, or puts one over the other.

iirc, Bowser doesn't start with any shell/the original armor can be taken off yet you still see him with a shell on.

Untill we have hard TRUE proof of him taking it off (That sounded wierd... >_>) we cannot say it is something removeable.

 

[REL38]

lol

He has chain mail, how deep do you think that will go through that?

Nobody said it's not possible to hold the sword infront of your face, the sword at the hilt is fat enough to block an arrow head shot, using the sword that way is not banned and ganon has done it before.

If they have football field ft than Ganon can easily telegraph the arrow and dodge it, he's done it before.
30ft is pretty long.

Srsly
Lurk moar

Arrow will go through the chainmail lol


Let me get this straight, are you suggesting:

a. That Ganon hold the sword upside down, by the blade?

b. Hold the sword sideways so that the hilt is covering his face?

The first is a terrible suggestion, but I'm quite sure you didn't mean the first one.
The second isn't very good either.
Holding it in that method will keep Ganon from getting a clear view, constant movement will hinder clear view due to running thusly requiring him to walk which gives Link a clear shot at the legs, odd weight distribution, leaves underarms open to arrows as well.


Dodging an arrow won't be possible. They go crazy fast. Carrying the Zwiender along with armor will make sudden shifts in weight more difficult to manipulate.

In regards to Bowser removing his shell, it happened in Super Mario RPG.
Justaway gave us proof.
Not to mention that in Super Paper Mario, Bowser has a tuxedo on.
How does he get this on?
Sure ain't a clip-on tux lol

Ganon has shown nothing out of the ordinary to make us give him sudden rock-like skin.
Even Bowser is restricted to having scales because, all in all, he is a reptile.
Ganon is a humanoid character. He thusly recieves flesh. Flesh that gets penetrated by arrows lol
It's not being said that Ganon isn't strong. It's being said that Ganon still has flesh like a human's.
The fact that he's a mammal kinda gives more justification for him having normal flesh.

 

[Salem]

Srsly
Lurk moar

Arrow will go through the chainmail lol


Let me get this straight, are you suggesting:

a. That Ganon hold the sword upside down, by the blade?

b. Hold the sword sideways so that the hilt is covering his face?

The first is a terrible suggestion, but I'm quite sure you didn't mean the first one.
The second isn't very good either.
Holding it in that method will keep Ganon from getting a clear view, constant movement will hinder clear view due to running thusly requiring him to walk which gives Link a clear shot at the legs, odd weight distribution, leaves underarms open to arrows as well.


Dodging an arrow won't be possible. They go crazy fast. Carrying the Zwiender along with armor will make sudden shifts in weight more difficult to manipulate.

In regards to Bowser removing his shell, it happened in Super Mario RPG.
Justaway gave us proof.
Not to mention that in Super Paper Mario, Bowser has a tuxedo on.
How does he get this on?
Sure ain't a clip-on tux lol

Ganon has shown nothing out of the ordinary to make us give him sudden rock-like skin.
Even Bowser is restricted to having scales because, all in all, he is a reptile.
Ganon is a humanoid character. He thusly recieves flesh. Flesh that gets penetrated by arrows lol
It's not being said that Ganon isn't strong. It's being said that Ganon still has flesh like a human's.
The fact that he's a mammal kinda gives more justification for him having normal flesh.

B.

And they have the ft of a football field, the speed of the arrow will be reduced at a certain amount of yards so the power gets weaker,

Explain to me how far the arrow goes through chain mail?
That is all, nothing else, just how many inches when it hits the chains mail?

Once the arrow hits the sword he just needs to lower it, Link will have to reload to shoot another arrow.

*Points to new post*

You remove the basic armor shell(?) what do you have? a shell, he is putting it over his other one...

You can't explain how he puts the tux on either. lol

EDIT:

UMM... BRB!

DON'T BS GANON WHILE I'M NOT HERE, I'LL BE BACK MUCH LATER.

 

[REL38]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4gPgHyaG1Q

It's penetrating well through the chainmail and well into the wood.
Imagine the impact into flesh.

According to what I've read throughout these pages, the impact of the arrow will be great enough to severly hinder Ganon. A headshot is insta-kill.
A shot to the legs is severe.
Being shot in the thigh/femur area is what makes it all the more damaging. More arteries and the like located there. More spilt blood.

According to what I've read, the "armor" was a completely new shell.
The fact that many Koopa's are shown to exit their shell shows that it wouldn't be much different for Bowser.
The shell isn't atttached to him in any fashion. It just sits there like a hat or cap.
The logical reason behind Bowser getting into his Tuxedo is that he took the shell off and put it on lol

UMM... BRB!

DON'T BS GANON WHILE I'M NOT HERE, I'LL BE BACK MUCH LATER.

"kk new MU soon"

 

[Rialdospaldacht]

Zweihander. Zwei hander.

It's called a zweihander.

*pissed off German speaker*

 

[JOE!]

@salem's comment about the football field making the arrow less effective:

two things:

1) the range means ganon must face more arros as he approaches from a further distance

2) arrows can easily cover MULTIPLE football fields if pulled and arced right

 

[Salem]

@salem's comment about the football field making the arrow less effective:

two things:

1) the range means ganon must face more arros as he approaches from a further distance

2) arrows can easily cover MULTIPLE football fields if pulled and arced right

@#2: Link is using a Bow + Arrow, does Link know how to make it possible to be arced?

@#1: Ganon can camp it by not approaching and waste Link's arrows, when Link is out of arrows thats the time to actually fight.

This is starting to remind me of Samus vs Sonic in if all smash characters were true to their games.

Exept its with projectiles.

@REL:

You finally got it unlike some people, true proof+vid.
Now I can know that actually works.

What have you read? source please.

Um, no, did you see how he put the tux on? no you did not.

 

[REL38]

A. Credit goes to Toc.
He brought up the vid a while back.

B. You can look that up yourself.
Read back for the last 10 pages and see what was said concerning the arrows strength.
I'm only reiterating information that was given.

C. Neither do you lol
The fact his shell was removable in SMRPG is enough proof that's backed up by his very own koopa's removing their shells as well.
It was back during the SNES. They were limited in what they could do. They wouldn't dedicate an entire cutscene towards it lol

 

[payasofobia]

@#2: Link is using a Bow + Arrow, does Link know how to make it possible to be arced?

@#1: Ganon can camp it by not approaching and waste Link's arrows, when Link is out of arrows thats the time to actually fight.

This is starting to remind me of Samus vs Sonic in if all smash characters were true to their games.

Exept its with projectiles.

@REL:

You finally got it unlike some people, true proof+vid.
Now I can know that actually works.

What have you read? source please.

Um, no, did you see how he put the tux on? no you did not.

Link is an expert bowman. He knows his ****.



Ganon canno't make Link waste arrows because Link does not have to attack either.

You don't understand the little fact that Ganon is in a much more vulnerable position than Link. Link doesn't have to approach Ganon, Ganon has because of his lack of projectiles.

Hell, screw this: Link gets to a better sniping position (AKA closer) and shoots arrows. Ganon can't dodge or block. If Ganon tries to get closer, Link retreats. Link is fit, unlike Ganon, who is a fat middle aged man, so he is faster.

In other words, space him. Use spacing and play gay. This is Brawl's Ganon vs Falco, except Falco's laser are a one hit KO against Ganon here.



Second: YOU ARE NOT LISTENING! YOU CANNOT DEFLECT ARROWS WITH SWORDS. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT! GOD, THATS ****ING RIDICULOUS. JEDIS ARE NOT REAL, WE CAN'T REACT TO ARROWS. THERE IS NO WAY GANON WILL BLOCK ARROWS.

Its humanly impossible, and Ganon has no superpowers because he is a Gerudo, because Gerudos have no distuinguishable features that separate them from humans.

He is an african. He can't create earthquakes, throw swords at the speed pof light, jump 10 ft into the sky or tank arrows.




This is getting ridiculous.

 

[UncleSam]

Link is an expert bowman. He knows his ****.

why?

this is just a question. Answer it, and don't troll.

 

[tocador]

why?

this is just a question. Answer it, and don't troll.

Cause he H5S T3H 1337 ACCURACY.

I havent played any zelda games, but you can prolly go by it with him owning eveything he touches in his games.

 

[justaway12]

Has he ever shown to have training with his bow? Other than Link's crossbow training
Cause I don't think that counts as "canon"

I dislike LoZ, so I probably won't know much, but that seems like the only time he did something like that.

 

[UncleSam]

Cause he H5S T3H 1337 ACCURACY.

I havent played any zelda games, but you can prolly go by it with him owning eveything he touches in his games.

...
actually the person playing link is owning everything.
It takes many years of practice with a bow. And Link only starts using one when he goes through the item obtain song:
nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, DA NA NA NAAAAAAAAAA~
you got a hero's bow.

EDIT: exactly Just, I'm starting do develop on a point which I will be getting into detail soon. I just want paya to answer my question.

AKA - get ready for a WoT

 

[Skadorski]

...
actually the person playing link is owning everything.
It takes many years of practice with a bow. And Link only starts using one when he goes through the item obtain song:
nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, DA NA NA NAAAAAAAAAA~

Shoot I thought you were going in the direction of saying GOODBYE!!! =/
Wrong song.

 

[Rialdospaldacht]

Ganondorf would be middle eastern if anything, not black. He was only black in TP. He was various strange shades of brown or green otherwise.

 

[Sieguest]

soupa nerfs with a small amount of trolling

@People saying Ganon isn't human...
if Ganon isn't human....
and he's not an animal for sure...
then he only exists in your TV.....
GG

^But seriously, Ganon may be some Gerudo or whatever, but you can't possibly type on your keyboard, that Ganon won't feel a fast flying arrow in his leg, that's just ********....

besides- isn't Gerudo a tribe? and not a species......

@Link's all of a sudden gaining of weapons...
*proves formula*
Where in the hell would Link keep all of that crap anyway, all he has is a sheath for that ONE sword of his......

@Earthquakes- *facepalms* Oh my lawd.... WHAT IN SAM HELL ARE YOU THINKING?
*rages*
*points to formula*
*rages*
*ragequits TDB*

 

[Salem]

Link is an expert bowman. He knows his ****.



Ganon canno't make Link waste arrows because Link does not have to attack either.

You don't understand the little fact that Ganon is in a much more vulnerable position than Link. Link doesn't have to approach Ganon, Ganon has because of his lack of projectiles.

Hell, screw this: Link gets to a better sniping position (AKA closer) and shoots arrows. Ganon can't dodge or block. If Ganon tries to get closer, Link retreats. Link is fit, unlike Ganon, who is a fat middle aged man, so he is faster.

In other words, space him. Use spacing and play gay. This is Brawl's Ganon vs Falco, except Falco's laser are a one hit KO against Ganon here.



Second: YOU ARE NOT LISTENING! YOU CANNOT DEFLECT ARROWS WITH SWORDS. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT! GOD, THATS ****ING RIDICULOUS. JEDIS ARE NOT REAL, WE CAN'T REACT TO ARROWS. THERE IS NO WAY GANON WILL BLOCK ARROWS.

Its humanly impossible, and Ganon has no superpowers because he is a Gerudo, because Gerudos have no distuinguishable features that separate them from humans.

He is an african. He can't create earthquakes, throw swords at the speed pof light, jump 10 ft into the sky or tank arrows.




This is getting ridiculous.

*holds up don't hurt me sign, that also says "or i'll sue." *

anyway, using that gay on screen keyboard...

lol

okay, first...

Ganon is not fat, that should be obvious, that can be applied to his beast form though.
and now that I think about it, you are sounding biased.

Ganon has round ears, not the human kind either so yes, he does have some kind of thing seperating him from the humans.

Ganon can dodge an arrow, he has done it before, and i doubt he would not be able to do it again IRL, I played TP and Ganon can get hit by the arrow IF you get to a certain distance close to him, obviously being in his face works, it his realistic in some way.

Ganon is also faster than Link due to his height, lol.

Humans can react but Gerudo's can react much better, we aren't going by perfect reaction in this thread you know. :L
Also, just got a better idea, Ganon can use the armor on his arms to block the arrows, that makes more sense. lol

@REL

Um, no.

You cannot assume he can just take off his shell, ever thought he doesn't want to take it off?
It was limited but they could also have shown you some sort of sign he changed shells like a color change to the shell or something, they did it to mario in his games, fire flower much? it would have been simple to change the color...
Yet they did not.
Those are a diffrent type of koopa, Bowser is a koopa that can breath fire...
Now think, what makes you think he is the same as them?

Edit: @ Marthage(?)

We was kidding about the earthquake, lol.

Was I saying Ganon would not be hurt?

 

[payasofobia]

...
actually the person playing link is owning everything.
It takes many years of practice with a bow. And Link only starts using one when he goes through the item obtain song:
nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh nuh, DA NA NA NAAAAAAAAAA~
you got a hero's bow.

EDIT: exactly Just, I'm starting do develop on a point which I will be getting into detail soon. I just want paya to answer my question.

AKA - get ready for a WoT

Link is an everyman, just like Mario. He begins all of his games with plenty of knowledge on how to do multiple things. The fact that he can play instruments easily even when it has never been shown that he can play them before and the fact that he is skilled enough with the sword in most games to survive onslaught of enemies is proof of that.

Now, if you want to get technical, he was trained by many different teachers in many different games. In WW, it was Orca, in TP, Rustl, in ST, a train engineer whose name evades me for the moment and in MC, seven different masters.

Not to mention that, by the end of the game, Link should have gained plenty of bow experience from field training, fighting against several different enemies, lots of target practices to win prizes and get skilled with the bow etc.

And, this is not entirely serious, but you could basicaly say that Link gets more skilled with the bow along with the player. The player's abilities and experiences with the bow and the target practices reflect how good Link becomes witht he bow, so new players will suck with it, but after finishing the game, they can snipe enemies from half hyrule's field. Same with Link. The player's action reflect Link becoming a full fledged hero.

*holds up don't hurt me sign, that also says "or i'll sue." *

anyway, using that gay on screen keyboard...

lol

okay, first...

Ganon is not fat, that should be obvious, that can be applied to his beast form though.
and now that I think about it, you are sounding biased.

Ganon has round ears, not the human kind either so yes, he does have some kind of thing seperating him from the humans.

Ganon can dodge an arrow, he has done it before, and i doubt he would not be able to do it again IRL, I played TP and Ganon can get hit by the arrow IF you get to a certain distance close to him, obviously being in his face works, it his realistic in some way.

Ganon is also faster than Link due to his height, lol.

Humans can react but Gerudo's can react much better, we aren't going by perfect reaction in this thread you know. :L
Also, just got a better idea, Ganon can use the armor on his arms to block the arrows, that makes more sense. lol

Guess which one looks more like Ganon?


2) Link has pointy ears too.



3) Game=/ IRL. Dodging arrows is not realistic. Just because he does it ingame doesn't mean he can do it IRL.



4) Not really, if the smaller person has a better build, then it is unlikely. That's like saying a 2 meter overweight man can utrun a 1.5 meter athlete.


5) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEQfoKg8ZgQ&feature=player_embedded

Longbows pierce plate mail. Composite bows are stronger than longbows.

 

[Salem]

A composite bow which Link does not have unless you prove it.
Research all the bows and figure out what Bow Link has.

 

[Sieguest]

Edit: @ Marthage(?)

We was kidding about the earthquake, lol.

Was I saying Ganon would not be hurt?

Oh hey how'd you figure me out? :O


*sigh of relief* all right....

And you weren't saying that ganon wouldn't be hurt, but you made it sound like Ganon could go right back to full capacity after the shot...

 

[UncleSam]

Link is an everyman, just like Mario. He begins all of his games with plenty of knowledge on how to do multiple things. The fact that he can play instruments easily even when it has never been shown that he can play them before and the fact that he is skilled enough with the sword in most games to survive onslaught of enemies is proof of that.

eh hem *clears throat*
I'd agree with the sword statement and the sword statement alone. Here's why:
He wouldn't be able to train at an early age for multiple reasons: 1 he grew up in kakari village (if we take OoT/MM) or Ordon village (TP).
In kakari village, every person was a forest sprite and lived without having to harm a single living thing (though trying to figure out how they keep their group full of living people is questionable) Link would have never touched a weapon except for that's right a sword. In Ordon village Link grew up herding animals and training in guess what, swordplay. never any mention of a bow. Bows take years of training. He wouldn't have enough experience because 1) Link would find the sword a more suitable weapon for him sine he's been using one for most of his life and since the drawback would be new to him and throw him off, he wouldn't want to use a bow for his own safety. 2) you can't learn to master a bow in a few months at most (how long do his adventures last? definitely not years)

Guess which one looks more like Ganon?

looks like the first one. except you know, not white.

 

[REL38]

@REL

Um, no.

You cannot assume he can just take off his shell, ever thought he doesn't want to take it off?
It was limited but they could also have shown you some sort of sign he changed shells like a color change to the shell or something, they did it to mario in his games, fire flower much? it would have been simple to change the color...
Yet they did not.
Those are a diffrent type of koopa, Bowser is a koopa that can breath fire...
Now think, what makes you think he is the same as them?

Ever thought he does wanna take it off?

Ever consider that many RPG's won't show drastic change in gear/clothes as to keep a single sprite/3D model to avoid altering the appearance many, many times throughout the game?

Especially in Nintendo?
Ex. Mario & Luigi Series have different pants available to them to put on to raise their stats. Some are called Shroom' Slacks and others Block Slacks with a description of what they are.
But the same exact sprites are used to represent Mario and Luigi. They have no change in appearance.

The only Mario RPG game to actually change appearance is Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door.
Mario could wear Luigi, Wario and Waluigi costumes. But this was merely an "Easter Egg" that added absoultely nothing to Mario's stats.


The fact that Bowser is a Koopa shows that there is evidence of his race/species having the ability to abandon the shell.
Bowser is what you could consider the "Alpha" Koopa or more so a sub-species of Koopa due to his appearance. The fact that his shell doesn't wrap around him and only sits there like a hat or cap means that it isn't directly "linked" onto him.
The fact that there are sub-species of Koopas that have no shell (Magikoopa) shows that koopas abandon their shell at will.