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TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

payasofobia

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I know it. But 99% of the big guys, or at least the better then slugs/dogs, he uses psy, because all of his other weapons sucks =/.

So yeah, having useless weapons/being unable to usem them efficiently end up being the same. And yeah, ness never actually fighted a real man that knew how to fight withought psy, so how can you say he is more experienced on fighting than peach?

Thank you Toc! You are a great help!


Ness fought a police officer with a gun, a mobster with a knife, several dogs and a Hippie BEFORE he got access to offensive PSI.


He got experience in street fights.
 

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She has the abilty to change to change her emotions suddenly...
I don't see why she couldn't.

@REL: It was Super Princess Peach
Super Princess Peach relied on shifting emotions via a "vibe meter" to even change emotions.

Anger = slow, heavy, fire Peach

Sadness = fast, fire hydrant-like tears spewing out

Happy = spinning, floating singing Peach


I don't believe any if this translates into RL.
Not to mention using this supports that Peach would be bi-polar schistofrintic.

:p


@Uffe

That Ness VS Mewtwo MU was just to appease people by making it "epic"

same deal with Mewtwo VS Samus.
 

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I'm calling you Marth man because your regular name is kind of difficult for me to write out. :laugh: I'll stop if you want me to.
Adumbro is what most people call me, other people call me deus, and people who know my name occasionally call me by it (but there's another Marth main in my area with the same name, so usually I go by my smashboards name in the community).


Problem is, there are too many marth main lol, you might accidentally summon... somebody else (they search their names to so I won't write them).

You mean Marth Main, right?
No mainer of Marth is a guy. Trufax.
(mu is over now group hug time)
Ouch, you'll pay for that one.


I remember referencing somewhere in the thread that my reason for knowing so much about weapons is my extensive martial arts experience...

And that's the problem. Because if I recall correctly, the Mewtwo vs Ness MU allowed PSI from both sides.
Let's avoid canon match-ups shall we? RL gimping people is more interesting.
 

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Thank you Toc! You are a great help!


Ness fought a police officer with a gun, a mobster with a knife, several dogs and a Hippie BEFORE he got access to offensive PSI.


He got experience in street fights.
I thought he fought a bunch of hippies?
And what about Starman Jr. ?
 

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Thank you Toc! You are a great help!


Ness fought a police officer with a gun, a mobster with a knife, several dogs and a Hippie BEFORE he got access to offensive PSI.


He got experience in street fights.
Rofl, i didnt knew about these stuff xP!!!!

But yeah, just as a side-comment: Fighting dogs dont actually improve your fighting capacity agaisnt humans =X. Especially thinking ones, with weapons.
 

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Peach fought against Bowser, guys bigger than her, etc.

She fought against a tank even

But how is fighting against giant dinosaurs going to help in fights against similar sized characters in street brawls?


That's like saying that I can shoot down tanks easily with a bazooka, so therefore I can shoot down airplanes easily too.
 

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We didn't. Ness did not have access to PSI abilities from his friends. The only offensive spell he had was PK Flash.
I'm pretty sure it was in this thread. I recall coming in here laying down the things his offensive PSI could do as a list. People were saying that Ness wouldn't be able to sense that Mewtwo was around, but Mewtwo could and that Mewtwo would blow Ness' head off or condense his blood, etc. etc. I remember that discussion being in here. I know the difference between this topic and WhatIsRaizen?'s topic.

I know it. But 99% of the big guys, or at least the better then slugs/dogs, he uses psy, because all of his other weapons sucks =/.

So yeah, having useless weapons/being unable to usem them efficiently end up being the same. And yeah, ness never actually fighted a real man that knew how to fight withought psy, so how can you say he is more experienced on fighting than peach?
Um, I'm sure there were some enemies that had a PSI Shield which didn't allow Ness to use any of his PSI, which then he'd have to resort to using physical attacks and not PSI.

Also, Paya is right about fighting the police and gangs without PSI.
 

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Rofl, i didnt knew about these stuff xP!!!!

But yeah, just as a side-comment: Fighting dogs dont actually improve your fighting capacity agaisnt humans =X. Especially thinking ones, with weapons.
But fighting mobsters and cops does Toc!

:p


@Justaway

Some of those fights were in Super Princess Peach which heavily relied on emotion abilities.

Other fights relied on strange unrealistic abilities as well.
 

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@Paya: So you're saying, the fact that she fought guys bigger means she can't people possibly weaker >_>[/B]
You got it wrong, its just a different kind of specialization.

You are specialized in killing huge, hulking monsters that hardly dodge your hits, but when you fight against a much more agile enemy you screw yourself because this guy is MUCH harder to hit than the hulking guy, and his hits are not as easily evaded.

Point is, killing huge dudes is not the same as killing small dudes like yourself.
 

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With this emotion stuff, JOE should've wrote, "PMS vs PSI! Who is the deadliest brawer?"
 

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If i'd were to fight the guys ness fought on his game, id pown all of them with my bare hands.

Yeah, im that awesome, and ness is a *****.

ps: How did he win agaisnt a guys with a gun? Really? Dosent sound all that "right" to me :p
IIRC the guy was a fattie.
(he is a policeman harharhar)
 

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If i'd were to fight the guys ness fought on his game, id pown all of them with my bare hands.

Yeah, im that awesome, and ness is a *****.

ps: How did he win agaisnt a guys with a gun? Really? Dosent sound all that "right" to me :p

Ok, not a gun, but with knives, clubs and the like.

AKA what Peach has: clubs.
 

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@Justaway

Some of those fights were in Super Princess Peach which heavily relied on emotion abilities.

Other fights relied on strange unrealistic abilities as well.
I'm only talking about RPG, I remebered she didn't fight Bowser there but she still could use her bombs...

@Payas: She fought smaller one too, you know >___>
 

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Ness has better bombs, has experience bashing mobsters with bats and doesn't afraid of anything.

Peach has brain damage.



To me, Ness wins even without a bazooka.
 

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Peach Has Brain Damage.
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Hum, but he is a tiny/weak kid(not really), but then, kids are meant to be weaker then adults, so yeah, kids beating up guys that are trained(or not) and robbers.

Dosent smell good to me.
Does a kid that goes in street fights and fight giant wutevrs seem stronger than your normal average scrub adult?
 

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Hum, but he is a tiny/weak kid(not really), but then, kids are meant to be weaker then adults, so yeah, kids beating up guys that are trained(or not) and robbers.

Dosent smell good to me.
That's not totally unrealistc.



PSI= unrealistic.

Kid beating up mobsters= unlikely but still possible IRL.



And there are multiple ways he could bwat up them that doesn't require just muscles. Brains and most importantly SKILL is also a part of it.

Besides, its not like he fought 40+ mobsters by himself. He just mostly fought them 1v1.
 

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Does a kid that goes in street fights and fight giant wutevrs seem stronger than your normal average scrub adult?
Kids have weaker bone structure than adults, no discussion on this.

For a kid to beat up some guys that are armed, and should be trained, and are adults. Yeah, just too much canon. Ness isnt even trained to fight, he just "knows" how to fight?? Yeah, dosent really make it up.
 

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Kids have weaker bone structure than adults, no discussion on this.

For a kid to beat up some guys that are armed, and should be trained, and are adults. Yeah, just too much canon. Ness isnt even trained to fight, he just "knows" how to fight?? Yeah, dosent really make it up.
What about a kid taking karate?
Edit: omg Uffe u rock
 

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What about a kid taking karate?
Edit: omg Uffe u rock
I trained karate since my 8 years, and even with 13 years i couldnt just beat up gown-ups with weapons.

Plus, ness dosent know karate. He just, swings bats and somehow can take more hits than grown-ups, which by itself is flawed logic.
 

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Kids have weaker bone structure than adults, no discussion on this.

For a kid to beat up some guys that are armed, and should be trained, and are adults. Yeah, just too much canon. Ness isnt even trained to fight, he just "knows" how to fight?? Yeah, dosent really make it up.
This shouldn't even be discussed by either side then. We know Ness has no training. We know Peach has no training. The only reason this was brought up because some people though that Ness could only win with his PSI and because we all were wondering who has more experience in fighting.

I'm sorry, Uffe, but I can't find anywhere other than smash that says he is a genuis, does it say it in game or anything?
When you unlock Ness in 64.
 
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