TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

[xepherthree]

Explain why she can't kick him down or such while she's tazering him because I think that would work.
She can run fast. Falcon would still be in pain even if she didn't reach him in time. That would give her MINIMUM 1 second.
She can run as fast as the fastest human on Earth(if not more).

She doesn't have a lazor gun; in zero mission I know it's called her Emergency pistol, the paralyzer; and there is no canon source in which the paralyzer was ever used to damage someone; the only thing in zero mission it was used for is stunning pirates. JOE also said it was a tazer.

My point is that at max a tazer will only go 35 feet; if falcon is beyond that distance she can't stun him. The way the hooks fire from the tazer, she can't run and shoot as the hooks will go crazy. The tazer hooks go out at two different angles, so it's less accurate 35 feet away; she's gonna have to see if it hits him first, and even if shes still carrying the gun she won't ever have the time to reload it, and judging by the strength of her kicks if she kicks falcon she'll probably knock the hooks right out of him, and I honestly don't believe that at long range she can check to see if it hits then grab falcon(while he's on the ground) before the shock ends.

If falcon is at a sizeable distance, he's smart enough to not run up to a tazer while he has a lazor gun. He can just keep pressuring her into approaching, and you can't fire a tazer and run at the same time(the hooks would go wild) she can only taze him standing still. Falcon would realize this, and move away from the gun.

1 second. that may be a chance to get a hit in, but falcon can take a hit; the second he can move he probably would. so even if she did get a hit in I don't believe she can combo him; he knows many martial arts styles, especially enough to get him off the ground.

 

[Adler]

Captain Falcon would never hurt a lady.
Only deformed Anthros, and pyromaniac plumbers.

 

[payasofobia]

Why is a laser a nerf? Wouldnt it being more futuritic be better that a bullet, accoring to what you are all saying?

The way I see it, the way it firggen engulfed the lizard dude in flames when it hit must account for something...

If that is the case, I belive we have our winner due to tech.


And Paya, it's a taser gun she has.

A laser is a nerf because it requires constant exposure to the beam of light to work. I repeated myself many times.

And an electrolaser is a more advanced tazer, that uses plasma instead of a cord to send the electricity. It has more similarities to the actual paralyzer.

@ Random_Memorable_Guy

do NOT include me in with those idiots who go around saying "Falcon Punch" but who have no working idea of who Captain Falcon is or what F-Zero is, I was a fan of him and the series long before that ****ty meme was around.

As for Scale Head from the F-Zero comic

Wanted: Dead or Alive
For: Murder
Bounty: 500,000 Galactic Credits

What in the blue hell are some of you thinking? Captain Falcon would not hunt a criminal, especially one wanted for murder, with a weapon not designed to kill. What we see here, is Falcon firing his gun, the laser hitting and frying Scale Head, then we see in the next panel Scale Head laying on the ground with smoke rising from his body.

http://f-mode.planets.gamespy.com/media/scans/f-zero2.jpg

Add in the fact Samurai Goroh calls him a carcass now, also with no indications of life left within the criminal gives a pretty clear indication Falcon's gun is designed to kill.

Captain Falcon wins, next match up.

What we have been saying in this thread for a long time: canon != reality. Laser guns are much less effetive IRL than in the comics. It may kill the lizard man in canon in one shot but, in reality, it would take 10 seconds to burn a small hole in his body.

 

[Skadorski]

A laser is a nerf because it requires constant exposure to the beam of light to work. I repeated myself many times.

And an electrolaser is a more advanced tazer, that uses plasma instead of a cord to send the electricity. It has more similarities to the actual paralyzer.

Then basically......
Falcon has a lazor that requires 10 seconds of exposure to burn a hole and ZSS has a worthless tazor?
So it's a unarmed fight then? lol
Or is ZSS' tazor good?

 

[UncleSam]

A laser is a nerf because it requires constant exposure to the beam of light to work. I repeated myself many times.

And an electrolaser is a more advanced tazer, that uses plasma instead of a cord to send the electricity. It has more similarities to the actual paralyzer.

oh, why didn't I think of that?

What we have been saying in this thread for a long time: canon != reality. Laser guns are much less effetive IRL than in the comics. It may kill the lizard man in canon in one shot but, in reality, it would take 10 seconds to burn a small hole in his body.

don't you mean canon =/= RL?
@HOLO- no, Zamus has an electrolazer while Falcon uses a laser.
they work differently...

 

[payasofobia]

HOLO: electrolazers are not worthless IRL. Canon != Reality, and you must consider the fact that space pirates have armour strong enough to survive even phazon-charged shots. Aside from the fact that they were elite pirates.

The paralyzer its fine, its the pirates who are broken.



And Uncle: only newfriends use canon =/= RL.

 

[UncleSam]

The paralyzer its fine, its the pirates who are broken.

I lol'd

And Uncle: only newfriends use canon =/= RL.

no u.

 

[JOE!]

Paya, why didnt you bring this up in MU's like Snake vs Wolf...where you were rooting for....wol..


Ohhhhh i c wut ur doin'


Anywho, the point stands teh Falcons gun = 1shot 1kill, whereas Zamus has a lower ranged weapon, that only stuns


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also, i just wanna bring this up again:

And what we have been saying in this whole thread: canon != real life.

And Samus will not screw up. She is THE bounty hunter of her universe. A notch above every other bounty hunter ever. She single handheldly eradicated 3 super weapon species and have foiled the plans of an entire galactic empire on par or even greater than the federation. She also was skilled enough to outrun a mothership's worth of elite space pirated without her suit and a relatively weak weapon in her universe, using her wits and dexterity alone.

She has succeded where multiple of the best bounty hunters failed. (corruption and hunters)

She will NOT mess up.

 

[Skadorski]

Paya, why didnt you bring this up in MU's like Snake vs Wolf...where you were rooting for....wol..


Ohhhhh i c wut ur doin'


Anywho, the point stands teh Falcons gun = 1shot 1kill, whereas Zamus has a lower ranged weapon, that only stuns


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also, i just wanna bring this up again:

What?
Uhh, JOE!, Captain Falcon's gun isn't 1shot1kill.
It's 10seconds1kill

I still don't know how ZSS' weapon works. Is it just plasma that stuns? How long would it last? How strong is it?

 

[UncleSam]

Anywho, the point stands teh Falcons gun = 1shot 1kill, whereas Zamus has a lower ranged weapon, that only stuns

C wut I mean.

also, i just wanna bring this up again:

stuff

That's his way of saying canon=/=RL get used to it.

 

[payasofobia]

What?
Uhh, JOE!, Captain Falcon's gun isn't 1shot1kill.
It's 10seconds1painfull burn

Fixed for accuracy.

 

[Skadorski]

Fixed for accuracy.

On that case Falcon doesnt have a weapon?
Basically?

And ZSS has a stun-gun (I think)
Which means she's armed and CF isn't?

 

[JOE!]

C wut I mean.

That's his way of saying canon=/=RL get used to it.

the thing that's funny, he said that, but then pointed out an example of something Samus did in her canon to help her. Completley contradicted himself.



Paya: why would his laser gun from the futre need to be held for 10 sec? thats just a stupid weapon. If anything he would have a gun like we allowed teh Spacies (shoots kill-lasers taht nobody, including you objected to in their MU's) but it incinerates you instead of making a hole (see: lizard dude). Or we just give him bullets.


Why are you trying so hard to Buff Zamus and Nerf falcon?

 

[UncleSam]

We never thought about it until now.
LASER is a light amplification device, you need to charge it with enough light to fire a shot.

 

[payasofobia]

Exactly, that's what I have been trying to say this whole time.

Thanks a lot for being the first person to get that, HOLO.



And JOE!, don't be an idiot. You know that the most unrealistic aspects of canon (telekinesis, nukes on a can) go away.

Things like skill and experience stay, and that post was used to prove the wits and skill that Samus has.

 

[JOE!]

we never thought about it because PAya is so focused on making Zamus win, that he is trying to give her a weapon she doesnt have, while nerfing falcon's even though he was perfectly fine with other laser-touting fighters in the past 0_o

 

[UncleSam]

doesn't paya remind you of someone whenever he really thinks about the MU?

 

[Skadorski]

we never thought about it because PAya is so focused on making Zamus win, that he is trying to give her a weapon she doesnt have, while nerfing falcon's even though he was perfectly fine with other laser-touting fighters in the past 0_o

You's people's arn't understanding why ZSS would win in close combat so we had to do this.
But Falcon's gun nerf makes sense.

Have we decided who the whinner is?

 

[JOE!]

My ruling here on weaponary (based on what people have said)

FALCON: has a laser pistol that has the effect seen in his comic. It would be unrealistic for him to have a gun that requires 10 seconds of fire to cause any damage at all if he needs it to kill, he would have some sort of killing firearm for his line of work. Either that or he gets bullets.

SAMUS: has her taser, not electrolaser. The canon says it even, all it does is stun. The fact that it does damage is most likley a game mechanic so that it at least does something productive when you shoot a pirate.

In fact, if you shoot a non-pirate, does it still just stun?

 

[payasofobia]

That's because I did not participate in those past ZSS MUs and noone brought up the electrolaser until now.


And I am trying to give her a more accurate representation of her gun.

Paralyzer: ranged weapon without cords.

Tazer: requires a cord to send electricity.

Electrolaser: ranged version of a tazer without cords.

 

[Skadorski]

My ruling here on weaponary (based on what people have said)

FALCON: has a laser pistol that has the effect seen in his comic. It would be unrealistic for him to have a gun that requires 10 seconds of fire to cause any damage at all if he needs it to kill, he would have some sort of killing firearm for his line of work. Either that or he gets bullets.

SAMUS: has her taser, not electrolaser. The canon says it even, all it does is stun. The fact that it does damage is most likley a game mechanic so that it at least does something productive when you shoot a pirate.

In fact, if you shoot a non-pirate, does it still just stun?

I think it will do damage.
From what I hear, what those Space Pirates have make Iron Man want to cry.
They have tons of armor.
If it stuns someone with that much armor, imagine a person?

 

[JOE!]

it could just effect their circuitry in the armor.

Paya: then wouldnt it be the parylizer?

 

[UncleSam]

I think it will do damage.
From what I hear, what those Space Pirates have make Iron Man want to cry.
They have tons of armor.
If it stuns someone with that much armor, imagine a person?

If it were to actually stun an armored pirate, it'd have to be armor penetrating since the shock would either have to be:
1) really powerful<electrolaser
2)armor penetratingpowerful enough to be an electrolaser, tasers can't penetrate armor

 

[payasofobia]

Paralyzers work the same as an electrolaser. Is it really that hard to understand?


The electrolasers have many functions. Amongst those its jamming electronic devices, paralyzing hostiles or killing them if used without limiters and to test the effect of lightning on objects.


The paralyzer is a paralyzer in canon, but in the real world the paralyser would be an electrolaser with another name. They have the same function.

 

[UncleSam]

WTF my Caeda keeps getting criticals.
anyway, JOE I don't think you've gotten it yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolaser

 

[JOE!]

then why did you list the 3 seperatly?

anyways, wouldnt somethign like that need charging first (like she does in her games) before shooting out somethign like lightning?



SO FAR:

Falcon Bullets > Zamus taser
Falcon Laser > Zamus Taser
Falcon Bullets = Zamus Electrolaser?
Falcon Laser = Zamus Electrolaser?

In two scenes, he is simply deadlier being that he has a weapon that kills

In the second two, it becomes a quick-draw o_O


EDIT:

looking over the article again, would she have something with the same power, pistol-sized? (smae issue arose with Falco's laser)

 

[UncleSam]

then why did you list the 3 seperatly?

anyways, wouldnt somethign like that need charging first (like she does in her games) before shooting out somethign like lightning?

you don't have to charge it.

SO FAR:

Falcon Bullets > Zamus taser
Falcon Laser < Zamus Taser
Falcon Bullets = Zamus Electrolaser?
Falcon Laser < Zamus Electrolaser?

IDK I think that's a bit better... paya?

 

[JOE!]

actually, looking into it a bit more

http://www.hsvti.com/

the real-life version that would be handheld wouldnt be lethal...

also, why is laser worse in the situations? They fried a dude in one shot.

Why would a cop/bountyhunter not carry a lethal weapon? Why would the futuristic world of Captain Falcon create guns that take 10 seconds to take effect?

He either has a "lol ur fryed" gun, or a Pistol that shoots bullets

 

[UncleSam]

charging time...

 

[payasofobia]

then why did you list the 3 seperatly?

anyways, wouldnt somethign like that need charging first (like she does in her games) before shooting out somethign like lightning?



SO FAR:

Falcon Bullets > Zamus taser
Falcon Laser < Zamus Taser
Falcon Bullets < Zamus Electrolaser
Falcon Laser < Zamus Electrolaser

In two scenes, he is simply deadlier being that he has a weapon that kills

In the second two, it becomes a quick-draw o_O

First one it's obvious. Realistic pistols are better than tazers.

Second: lasers take 10 seconds just to burn you. By then he is already on the ground, writhing in pain.

Third: elctrolasers travel 200 000 000 meters per second while bullets travel 800 meters per second.

And electrolazers leave you completely helpless while pistols will take at MOST 2 minutes to kill you IF they hit you in a vital organ. And you can move just fine in those 2 minutes because small arms bullets are really not that painful.


Fourth: Lasers have no comparison to electrolasers.

 

[JOE!]

dude, why woudl he carry a non-lethal laser?

also, if she gets shot by a bullet, think she's gonna think "oh, i better go up and finish this guy who is 100yrd that way" instead of "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!"

how long does the electro laser leave you incapacitated for? Does it need to be held?

 

[payasofobia]

Lasers suck in real life. It can kill in videogames, but reality nerfs step in in these fights.


Falcon will be all like: HEY, I AM GOING TO USE MY ONE SHOT KILLING LASER GUN AND SHOOT IT.

almost harmless laser shoots out.

****!

 

[JOE!]

then why not give him bullets?

Realitically, he would have a lethal weapon due to his job.

(he also used a laser in a comic, not a vidyo game )

EDIT:

why have you never complained about lasers until just now?

 

[payasofobia]

Because his weapon does not work like a bullet.

 

[Skadorski]

I have no idea what the heck you guys are posting but just so you know ZSS starts with her gun in her hand, while Captain Falcon doesn't.

 

[UncleSam]

why have you never complained about lasers until just now?

we never thought about it.

 

[JOE!]

yet why on earth would he have a non-lethal weapon? explain this to me.

but why think about it so hard now? It seems like you are pulling out all the stops to get Zamus to win o_o

 

[payasofobia]

then why not give him bullets?

Realitically, he would have a lethal weapon due to his job.

(he also used a laser in a comic, not a vidyo game )

EDIT:

why have you never complained about lasers until just now?

I did not participate in the ZSS matches until now and when I said why the captain would lose to Mario (because of his bulky muscles and worthless gun) noone listened.

 

[Skadorski]

yet why on earth would he have a non-lethal weapon? explain this to me.

but why think about it so hard now? It seems like you are pulling out all the stops to get Zamus to win o_o

It was leathal in his game.
Not RL.

 

[JOE!]

Mucly dude can still kick ***...

Falcon isnt like this:

@HOLO: he never used it in his games, dont assume


Anyways, Im gonna give him a lethal "gun" here. Meaning if it hits, it more than likley kills. Seeing as if we continue, the spacies are even more ****ed, and Power Suit Samus can just call it a day

EDIT:

also, shouldnt we be seeing this on samus?