TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

[REL38]

Wow.

I'm gone for less than a day and Miss a MU :/


@Screampaste

We take examples from the characters games and apply them to RL.

Link was able to lift giant Pillars in OoT. But that's not realistic.
We look at the physical build of Ganon and Link and draw that Ganon is stronger, but Link is probably faster.

Now, for my two cents:

high ranking knights wore more armor than the run of the mill knight that only wore chainmail and had shields. In battles, the knights with more armor beat the ones with less because they were beaten in defense, strenght and training. The differences in speed were barely noticable because it didn't hinder the armored knights by much.

Obviously, they're both highly trained, but Ganon is stronger and has more defense. Also, Link isn't so fast that he'd dodge every sword swing. Ganon would probably use other options such as kick Link while he's off guard to knock him down. Ganon is bigger so Link trying to kick Ganon down wouldn't work. He's much heavier.

 

[Emperor Time]

It's just an example of how Ganon's might will crush Link.

It's pretty viable considering Ganon's immense strength and the fact that I couldn't think of a better vid atm

 

[ShinTwist-ScreamPaste]

than why does he block 95% of your strikes in the final boss fight?
EDIT: plus you are using gameplay mechanics, they don't apply

No, no I'm not.

The arrow landing in the pole is a canon element of the game, the player acts as Link, but the story remains the same no matter who the player is.

And blocking 95% of your attacks in the final battle could easily be called a gameplay mechanic.
Also, guess how many you can avoid in said final battle? All of them.

 

[UncleSam]

How will he crush him if he can't hit him?

Or how will he reach Link if he has armor piercing arrows and Ganon is a huge target?

Link is not much faster then Ganondorf where are you getting this?
Ganondorf as a stronger build + weight distribution in his armor = not slow
now apply all this to RL, ganondorf's armor is better and more efficient than link's,
and I said 95% because you are supposed to win the game silly

 

[Memorable_Random_Guy]

Is strenght everything?

Thing for a moment.

Uncle: haven't you played TP?

I am talking about rolls and backflips. Link is very athletic.

 

[UncleSam]

APPARENTLY THAT"S WHAT IT WAS FOR THE WARIO VS. LUCARIO DEBATE
caps lock is fun

 

[ShinTwist-ScreamPaste]

@Screampaste

We take examples from the characters games and apply them to RL.

Link was able to lift giant Pillars in OoT. But that's not realistic.
We look at the physical build of Ganon and Link and draw that Ganon is stronger, but Link is probably faster.

Unrealistic for a real person, yes, but it's not unrealistic in terms of real life physics. Also, That's using the golden gauntlets which are magic, and thus banned. No magic involved, Link can still push massive blocks across the floor, which is a show of amamzing strength.

It says real life physics, not real life people. If you take away their physical prowess alogn withall of their powers, they're not the characters you're debating, they're just people.

 

[Sieguest]

Fire Emblem does not accurately portray physics, ET

Most games don't accurately portray physics...especially Nintendo games

 

[Emperor Time]

Whoever said this is like Link vs Marth was right.

'Cept this time, the Link is Ganon and is waaay meatier.

Kay, Link can dodge stuff, but that doesn't say much when he has to approach.

Ganon tanks the hell out of Link.

Gg.

 

[Memorable_Random_Guy]

APPARENTLY THAT"S WHAT IT WAS FOR THE WARIO VS. LUCARIO DEBATE
caps lock is fun

Yes... for the FIST fight where they could not KILL or PIERCE each other in one hit.

In the fight where they had no TOOLS or BOWS or ARTERY slicing swords that made size useless.



AND DUDE, Link has a bow.

 

[UncleSam]

actually this feels like another Roy vs. Pit.
dude, JOE couldn't even answer why Roy has the advantage.

"Pit may have more options in this fight, but Roy has better..."

makes no friggin sense

Spoiler

don't start that our boi fancrap

 

[†Slader7†]

If Link trips over something when rolling and falls,
thats the perfect opportunity for Ganondorf to sit on him.
What is more devious than killing your opponent with your body weight.

 

[Emperor Time]

No, Sam. Roy was legit.

He had the range, power, and armor advantage.

 

[Sieguest]

actually this feels like another Roy vs. Pit.
dude, JOE couldn't even answer why Roy has the advantage.

Spoiler

don't start that our boi fancrap

*posts ourboi fan crap*
my reason (not to jump back so we can take this to VMs if you want)
Roy's sword lengths allowed him to space better around Pit's offensive defense

Imah just lurk for a little while and see how this goes >_>

 

[UncleSam]

ET read the friggin spoiler

 

[Hive Mind]

How's Ganon going to break Link's wrist when Link can stop many tons of moving goron cold without being crushed by that kind of force?

He did that with the iron boots.

And this is real life, therefore...

 

[Memorable_Random_Guy]

Yes... for the FIST fight where they could not KILL or PIERCE each other in one hit.

In the fight where they had no TOOLS or BOWS or ARTERY slicing swords that made size useless.



AND DUDE, Link has a bow.

Link will just hit Ganon in the head with an arrow.

GG.

 

[Emperor Time]

Oh my God, Sam. Just admit that Roy was better already.

I'm not a Roy fanboy :/

Ganon can deal with the arrows in various ways.

1.Rush him before he pulls it out.
2.Use his sword
3.Simply dodge

Arrows won't be as effective here compared to the IC MU.

 

[ShinTwist-ScreamPaste]

He did that with the iron boots.

And this is real life, therefore...

Except that goes against canon. Link in canon did infact stop the goron, showing he was not crushed by the force, the boots simply anchored him.

Real life =/= real people.

 

[UncleSam]

ET I was there in the chat during that debate silly >.>
oh and BTW marthage wanted me to post this 4 u guys I hope you can see it in your hearts

Spoiler

or whats left of them

to understand

Real life =/= real people.

IMO this is fail
and btw this isn't a canon fight

 

[Memorable_Random_Guy]

Oh my God, Sam. Just admit that Roy was better already.

I'm not a Roy fanboy :/

Ganon can deal with the arrows in various ways.

1.Rush him before he pulls it out.
2.Use his sword
3.Simply dodge

Arrows won't be as effective here compared to the IC MU.

Just like the IC's could rush Toon Link before he readied his bow.

Or how easy it is to deflect an arrow with a broadsword. Scratch that, slab of iron.

Or like....how fast an arrow is in real life.

Or how skilled Link is at using the bow.

 

[ShinTwist-ScreamPaste]

IMO this is fail
and btw this isn't a canon fight

Well your opinion is your opinion, but in my opinion, what would be fail is to totally disregard everythign we know about the characters, and simply pick the one that looks bigger, even though in canon, Link can beat him in a sword lock...

 

[UncleSam]

and btw this isn't a canon fight

quoted because I think you might have missed that part.
and I'm not choosing the one who is bigger I'm digging for info and figuring out who has an advantage.
dude I <3 medieval stuff, don't mess

 

[†Slader7†]

Well your opinion is your opinion, but in my opinion, what would be fail is to totally disregard everythign we know about the characters, and simply pick the one that looks bigger, even though in canon, Link can beat him in a sword lock...

lol wth??
Lets put it this way, if your average joe was in a sword fight with a body builder, who would win?

 

[Emperor Time]

Just like the IC's could rush Toon Link before he readied his bow.

Or how easy it is to deflect an arrow with a broadsword. Scratch that, slab of iron.

Or like....how fast an arrow is in real life.

Or how skilled Link is at using the bow.

Just one of many possible situations.

Totally dependent on where they start off or if Ganon doesn't keep the pressure going.

Like, I could say:

This is 1000:0 Ganon b/c of blah, blah, blah

Then you present ways Link can win and it comes to say 600:400

Then we look at who has the most options.

Gaaaaaanon.

EDIT:I need archery proof pl0x

 

[justaway12]

I missed a Mario Fight! **** you all, you all suck!

Anyway, I didn't read this fight, I will now, but isn't Ganon like really, really old?

 

[ShinTwist-ScreamPaste]

dude I <3 medieval stuff, don't mess

As do I. So, yeah, don't mess, and don't pretend you're the only one.

and btw this isn't a canon fight

Then it's not a fight between Link and Ganon at all, just people who look like them.

Lets put it this way, if your average joe was in a sword fight with a body builder, who would win?

If I saw the average Joe win a sword lockand subsequently skewer the body builder, my money's on the Joe... And I did, Link obviously is not at such a massive strength disadvantage as people are saying.

 

[UncleSam]

He doesn't look that old, at least he still has hair

 

[Emperor Time]

I don't see much in regards to physical limitations. I'm sure he's old time wise, but he has the body of a well built, middle aged(?) dude.

 

[UncleSam]

Then it's not a fight between Link and Ganon at all, just people who look like them.

oh kay, so for you to understand which look-a-like would win in your opinion?

 

[ShinTwist-ScreamPaste]

oh kay, so for you to understand which look-a-like would win in your opinion?

Link's got a shield, a single handed sword's not breaking Link's arm in one hit, otherwise shields would not have been useful.. If we're ignoring Ganon's actual strength in favour of making him a 'real person', he loses based entirely on Link's bow, and shield.

But that's not Link vs Ganondorf, that's Joe vs Jack.

 

[Sieguest]

Well your opinion is your opinion, but in my opinion, what would be fail is to totally disregard everythign we know about the characters, and simply pick the one that looks bigger, even though in canon, Link can beat him in a sword lock...

that's just it though...things aren't taking strictly out of canon...we're trying to be realistic...

Is it realistic to withstand a ton literally hitting you at high acceleration?
No...
Although Link did so in the game it's actually not realistic in real world physics...

the mass of the structure x it's acceleration=the force an object it hits gets hit with...

IRL Link would've been destroyed by a goron bowling into him like that...that's just physics

IRL in swordlock- since both combatants sword skill is shown even, the more powerful could shift the locked position to their advantage.

The physical prowess of the characters in the game break physics...as I've just shown...
game mechanics and player control make things such as Link's accuracy with a bow and dealing with ganon what they are. these won't work here.

Physics are what naturally hinder these combatants to human standards. (trust me I'm taking physics right now >_>)

Just throwing out how physics works...

*goes back to lurking*

Tis not Joe vs Jack though- Joe vs. Jack probably couldn't exhibit the sword mastery and physical strength of Link and Ganon even in IRL

 

[UncleSam]

Link's got a shield, a single handed sword's not breaking Link's arm in one hit, otherwise shields would not have been useful.. If we're ignoring Ganon's actual strength in favour of making him a 'real person', he loses based entirely on Link's bow, and shield.

But that's not Link vs Ganondorf, that's Joe vs Jack.

As do I. So, yeah, don't mess, and don't pretend you're the only one.

>.>
you say you are.

Some argue that longbows and/or crossbows could regularly pierce plate armour and some contend that they could do so only rarely due to the fact that arrow heads were made of much more inferior metal to the highest quality steel available. It stands to reason that the cost to equip archers with such arrow heads would be unthinkable.

it would be impossible for link to carry around a full quiver of arrows specially designed to pierce Ganodorf's refined armor. and even then a headshot is blockable, Ganondorf puts the face of his blade in front of his head to block the blow, cause apparently according to MRG he's got a massive slab if iron. there are tons of situations we could roll through.
Ganondorf wins in more than 500 of the 1000 that JOE! limits it to.
I have to sleep soon cause I'm getting my driving license tomorrow, but I'll stay up a bit longer.

 

[ShinTwist-ScreamPaste]

that's just it though...things aren't taking strictly out of canon...we're trying to be realistic...

Is it realistic to withstand a ton literally hitting you at high acceleration?
No...
Although Link did so in the game it's actually not realistic in real world physics...

the mass of the structure x it's acceleration=the force an object it hits gets hit with...

IRL Link would've been destroyed by a goron bowling into him like that...that's just physics

I understand physics, you're not understanding my stance on it. Real life physics involved in that would obviously kill a /normal person/. Link is not a normal person, at all. He also threw the Goron after stopping it, the boots anchored him.

IRL in swordlock- since both combatants sword skill is shown even, the more powerful could shift the locked position to their advantage.

The physical prowess of the characters in the game break physics...as I've just shown...
game mechanics and player control make things such as Link's accuracy with a bow and dealing with ganon what they are. these won't work here.

Except we saw Link win a sword lock, and we know these are not normal people. If we apply real life physics to them, we don't need to make them into normal people. It's only unrealistic for a normal person to do these things, a theoretical super human, which these two are, could do these things.

Even so, if we ignore the Goron thing, Link still wins in a sword lock, so Ganon's still not taking the advantage in strength.

 

[Memorable_Random_Guy]

Just one of many possible situations.

Totally dependent on where they start off or if Ganon doesn't keep the pressure going.

Like, I could say:

This is 1000:0 Ganon b/c of blah, blah, blah

Then you present ways Link can win and it comes to say 600:400

Then we look at who has the most options.

Gaaaaaanon.

EDIT:I need archery proof pl0x

Just like how we discarded the idea of IC vs TL happening in a mountain.


Apparently, flat stages are the norm here.

And Ganon having more options is BS. He can't stab, he can't thrust, he does not have projectiles, he can only swing the darksword like an amateur because of the weight and he can't roll or dodge as well as Link.

 

[justaway12]

He doesn't look that old, at least he still has hair

IDK a lot about Ganon, but doesn't his games class him as super super old, if that's true wouldn't Ganon be like too weak?

 

[ShinTwist-ScreamPaste]

>.>
you say you are.

Don't get pretentious.

it would be impossible for link to carry around a full quiver of arrows specially designed to pierce Ganondorf's refined armor.

Link's an excellent shot, shoots him in the face, or the joint of his armour.

If Ganon simply holds his sword infront ogf his face he exposes his arm pits and blocks his own sight. Also, his fingers would be able to be hurt by the arrows, costing him the fight if they're wounded.

 

[Memorable_Random_Guy]

Just like how we discarded the idea of IC vs TL happening in a mountain.


Apparently, flat stages are the norm here.

And Ganon having more options is BS. He can't stab, he can't thrust, he does not have projectiles, he can only swing the darksword like an amateur because of the weight and he can't roll or dodge as well as Link.

And his attacks are slowed down.

Again, arrow to the face or artery=GG.

 

[†Slader7†]

Don't get pretentious.

Link's an excellent shot, shoots him in the face, or the joint of his armour.

If Ganon simply holds his sword infront ogf his face he exposes his arm pits and blocks his own sight. Also, his fingers would be able to be hurt by the arrows, costing him the fight if they're wounded.

Do you know how fast an arrow goes? Once Ganon is done blocking it, he will go back to guarding position. He hears the ding from the arrow and then he can assume position for Link's futile rush.

 

[Memorable_Random_Guy]

Haha, you are funny. Let me get the arrow speed post.