Leotsune
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Yeah, he still has a chance!I wouldnt say steve is dead yet
of being a mii costume.
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Yeah, he still has a chance!I wouldnt say steve is dead yet
While "anime swordsmen" is blatant reductionism, I do understand where it comes from, kind of. The issue isn't that the FE roster grew too much - it has the popularity to back that growth up. I think it's because it grew too fast. Fire Emblem and Pokémon are literally the only two franchises that received a new character in every Smash installment since their debut.I have always hated the fandom's mentality of how the Smash roster must have some kind of 'balance' to it whether it's Mario/Pokémon/Fire Emblem having too many reps because their precious Zelda/Metroid/etc. don't have as many playable reps as them or all Third Parties must have equal representation. I'm pretty sure Nintendo and the Smash Bros development team would ever make any arbitrary rule like that and Sakurai seems more interested in moveset potential than anything else.
Yeah, "high risk, high reward" is the only playstyle that would be a perfect match for Phoenix imo. Maybe the evidence could be references to cases from the first few games?Yeah, since luck is a big part of Phoenix and his defense strategy, I decided to put some in his moveset, and one of the best spots I think it'd go is in his side-b, "Presenting Evidence"! I proposed that he'd throw all sorts of things at a decent arc and every once in a while, like, 1/10 or somethin, he'd hurl the Shichi****o and it'd be weaker than a 9 but stronger than a stitch-face, since it's a projectile, but not one he can hang on to.
Imagining someone gimping Phoenix and taunting and then Phoenix goes for one final move, throws the decisive evidence on-stage at them as he's falling to his death, getting lucky, turning everything around, and winning by just a clutch second, it feels very Phoenix to me!
A lot of people want an evidence "system" like UMvC3, and hey, it was cool before so could totally be cool again, but since it's already been done in UMvC3 and all, I'd rather get the fun of it in his moveset, have him built around being generally disadvantaged, but getting big rewards for precise punishes, and having chances at super lucky miracles! Plus, seems Joker already has the "turnabout mode" thing covered haha
I feel like it's worth pointing out that there was a time when people thought Dixie was way more likely to get in than K. Rool.I would love to see Phoenix myself, I just feel something from RE is more likely imo. Put me down as a supporter.
I think I also read somewhere that Sakurai had recently complained about how many characters in video gaming used swords (probably a complaint made while trying to create a set of normals for the Hero). But I guess the big question for me is - does Sakurai consider the challenge of making a Smash moveset for Phoenix a good thing that will result in a unique-but-appropriate place in the game, or does he consider it an indicator that any moveset he makes for Phoenix would be "unnatural," and thus that he isn't "realizable" as a character?I think there is merit to Phoenix over Resident Evil. While the latter is clearly bigger and iconic, Phoenix has a lot of Nintendo-centric appeal and history. He, like Professor Layton, are essentially pseudo-Nintendo characters despite the recent ports. The series will continue to be on Nintendo for the foreseeable future.
Otherwise it is the unorthodox moveset that he has used in the past but also other elements unused that could be added to the fray. A Smash fighter Phoenix would certainly be unique and a challenge for Sakurai.
I think the stage might be key, as the Courtroom will be able to represent visual novels in design and function. It "fits" the aesthetic of Smash more than RE, but I also believe that Resident Evil's horror themed stage would be equally as appealing to him to make, even if it is grittier and more realistic than other stages of a similar ilk like Dracula's Castle.
Yep, I included things like The Thinker and the car mirror that came off after it hit Phoenix in Apollo Justice! You can even fit references to other games, like the Triforce, Wii Fit Trainer's volleyball, an apple from the Green Greens stage, all sorts of possibilities!Yeah, "high risk, high reward" is the only playstyle that would be a perfect match for Phoenix imo. Maybe the evidence could be references to cases from the first few games?
I mean, Fox's moveset is pretty "unnatural" for him, he never sets himself on fire in his games, and I'm sure Sakurai would check to see the response to Phoenix's UMvC3 moveset, which most fans were very happy with! Since he was "realized" in another game, I doubt Sakurai would come to a conclusion like that!does Sakurai consider the challenge of making a Smash moveset for Phoenix a good thing that will result in a unique-but-appropriate place in the game, or does he consider it an indicator that any moveset he makes for Phoenix would be "unnatural," and thus that he isn't "realizable" as a character?
it might not be the same but the miis would look great in that suitYeah, he still has a chance!
of being a mii costume.
Its saying June 20th-23rd. How much does Nintendo take part in the TGS? I don't think they would have his reveal during then. But there tends to be a September direct so if he was in, that would be the time they show him.I am guessing that if no reveal or leak by the time TGS happens then that will be the time to do show him. If he isn't shown there you'd be hoping for the next Direct to tie in any announcement otherwise it will start looking bleaker imo.
I know tie-ins aren't the norm, but if Capcom are doing the "push Ace Attorney more with Smash" idea, then they have to do that essentially. Not that it is the only reason he'd be picked, mind you.
Is TGS early, mid, or late September this year?
I googled it after reading this post to make sure. It is September 11th to September 15th. Normally TGS is in September so I was kind of shocked to hear your June date initially!Its saying June 20th-23rd. How much does Nintendo take part in the TGS? I don't think they would have his reveal during then. But there tends to be a September direct so if he was in, that would be the time they show him.
Crap I didn't mean June I did mean September. Sorry its late :vI googled it after reading this post to make sure. It is September 11th to September 15th. Normally TGS is in September so I was kind of shocked to hear your June date initially!
I believe they were there last year. Not sure about prior years. I know Sakurai goes there sometimes.
Personally, I'd go for something more along the lines of this:One: This is absolutely perfect.
Two: As an aside, I was thinking, and how do we all feel about Phoenix's Final Smash being... The Steel Samurai? The Steel Samurai is one of the most significant gags in PW, and especially in the original games, and I feel like the pure hype generated by him showing up, hitting a fighter/fighters, and slicing and dicing them while his theme song plays in the background in a cutscene is exactly the sort of thing Sakurai would go for.
From this point forward. If they want all the characters announced and released by February. September would be when they announce fighter number 4. And fighter number 5 will be at the game awards. I expect if we do get Nick it will be announced in September.IF AA7 is announced at TGS, I expect a Smash direct later September, new character reveal (Phoenix Wright), Banjo moveset breakdown/stage/music and probably new game modes.
I don't think we'll get another Smash fighter reveal at TGA so the last character might also be announced at the direct.
im notOn a side note, it's really great to see everyone so hopeful here!
Yeah, still expecting a Resident Evil character here.im not
Hoping/expecting Wright, although I might be a bit too optimistically naive. If a RE character does get in over him, I’ll support them as long as they play in an interesting way.Yeah, still expecting a Resident Evil character here.
I don't know. Capcom seemed to have been very cooperative and gave the Smash dev team a lot of freedom about how their franchises are represented in Smash compared to the other third parties. If Capcom were really control freaks they probably would have tried talking Sakurai into having Zero as the Megaman rep instead of Classic Megaman himself since Zero is the one of the most popular characters from the Megaman series.The thing Im worried the most is the possbility that Capcom didn't even give Nintendo and Sakurai the option to pick Phoenix, for a reason or another.
Capcom could've just told them "I'll let you use RE, take it or leave it"
If by any chance PW was present in the selection Sakurai had to pick from, then I'll feel way more relieved.
Yeah, I mean, Jill's MvC2 moveset was wacky, but that's because she basically summoned zombies for some of her specials, which is something I doubt Sakurai would do with her because he apparently gives a lot of care in making third parties true to form. So she would probably use her normal tools from her games.I do feel like Nick would fit better then a RE rep. No insult to any RE characters but I wouldn't say they have the freedom of wackyness. They are just normal people that hold a gun. Which Nick has plenty of wackyness to work off of for moveset potential.
I don't think Capcom would do that, really. Sakurai comes in with a character in mind and gets rejected I doubt he'll compromise.The thing Im worried the most is the possbility that Capcom didn't even give Nintendo and Sakurai the option to pick Phoenix, for a reason or another.
Capcom could've just told them "I'll let you use RE, take it or leave it"
If by any chance PW was present in the selection Sakurai had to pick from, then I'll feel way more relieved.
It's entirely possible Capcom gets nothing this fighter's pass aside from costumes.I realized I'm actually expecting Wright. That's pretty dangerous, even though I'd love Jill or Leon.
Please you guys convince me that Phoenix doesn't have a chance I can't deal with the Grinch all over again.
Wow, I never thought I would be in a position to say, “gee, I sure hope Sakurai wants to appeal more to casuals this time!”Ultimately, I think the choice between RE and AA would come down to which crowd they wanted to appeal to. RE does more for the general gaming crowd, while AA favors a more casual audience (as these types of adventure games tend to do, I think). Plus the fans of each IPs, which are vastly different demographics.
Both have moveset potential, both have good music, both have potential stages and Spirits... the choice would be just based on what Sakurai and team would want for Ultimate.
Thing is, if polls and ballots are any indication, Smash fans prefer AA as well. So we're looking at the most hardcore + casuals vs. the wider gaming crowd. I think the former is more appealing sales wise.Ultimately, I think the choice between RE and AA would come down to which crowd they wanted to appeal to. RE does more for the general gaming crowd, while AA favors a more casual audience (as these types of adventure games tend to do, I think). Plus the fans of each IPs, which are vastly different demographics.
Both have moveset potential, both have good music, both have potential stages and Spirits... the choice would be just based on what Sakurai and team would want for Ultimate.
I don't think that'll happen tbh. They have too many characters and there's too much demand. Plus they've been very cooperative.It's entirely possible Capcom gets nothing this fighter's pass aside from costumes.
My one concern with the idea of Phoenix’s poll popularity is the idea that we’ve been led to believe these newcomers will be “unexpected,” and I’m curious as to whether this will be a case of “characters everyone wanted in Smash but would never expect to really make it,” like Banjo, or “characters almost no one even thought to ask for,” like Joker.Thing is, if polls and ballots are any indication, Smash fans prefer AA as well. So we're looking at the most hardcore + casuals vs. the wider gaming crowd. I think the former is more appealing sales wise.
I don't think that'll happen tbh. They have too many characters and there's too much demand. Plus they've been very cooperative.
Thing is, if polls and ballots are any indication, Smash fans prefer AA as well. So we're looking at the most hardcore + casuals vs. the wider gaming crowd. I think the former is more appealing sales wise.
I don't think that'll happen tbh. They have too many characters and there's too much demand. Plus they've been very cooperative.
Holy ****, you guys are right. For the first time in a while, the hardcore Smash fans are in agreement with the casual gamers. I guess that's a testament to how much people legitimately love AA, huh?Wow, I never thought I would be in a position to say, “gee, I sure hope Sakurai wants to appeal more to casuals this time!”
Good sir, might I interest you in a Marvel 3 comeback video with orchestated covers as the soundtrack?So I'm currently at a videogame orchestra concert hosted by Tommy Tallarico and they played the Court Begins Suite from the first Gyakuten Orchestra album! Not only was this an amazing and special experience for me as a longtime fan of the series and album, during the Cornered section they showed a fanmade Smash 4 mod video for Phoenix and it got BIG cheers!
It's amazing seeing a taste of what could happen when my most-wanted joins the roster!!!
I just played through case 1, but I really loved it. Takumi really knows how to write a mystery.So... I've finally finished DGS, and it was amazing.
And from what I've heard DGS2 is even better, can't wait for the translation or for Capcom to localize the games.