He's a special case but that doesn't mean you put him on a pedestal and evaluate every motion he takes as any different. I want you to ask yourself, what would you think of Vinyl. had it been any other player? You're giving him this weird leeway and tagging him as 'who he is.' Bolded, how does this category not fit for Vinyl.? I understand your notion of him not slipping under the radar, but why wait? Your point seems really moot and I would love to hear why you think he's town. There has been plenty of substance and my case is the substance behind it, I will give Vinyl. no special treatment and he will either sink or swim. So far, he has sunk to say.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT VINYL DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER PLAYERS BECAUSE HE DOESN'T PLAY LIKE OTHER PLAYERS.
You also seem to be forgetting that Vinyl is a very real prospect for tomorrows lynch if yours goes the way I'm thinking it will right now. If you flip town, I'd feel much less excited about lynch Vinyl.
And your substance behind the case still can all be summed up as 'look Vinyl is bad at mafia therefore he's scum'. It is flat out not enough.
I understand your disposition but I am going to disagree. Town's objective is to lynch mafia, Mafia's objective is to be under the guise of town. All town want to lynch mafia. It is a common theme for any town and I would expect any townie trying to do so.
Assuming they're GOOD at mafia, then yeah. Is Vinyl good at mafia?
You can look at Vinyl. and say that perhaps it won't be as clear as other townies, or their motives won't be the same, but you can also look at it and reassert that same statement I've made. How has Vinyl. done anything to help town? How has Vinyl. tried to hunt scum? I have not seen this, and Vinyl. is literally just voting me because I've gotten enough flak and he doesn't need to hide anymore.
I'm absolutely with you on Vinyl doing jack **** to help town. But whoops thats Vinyl for you. It is null to the highest degree.
It's true, he's not a great player, I get that. I understand where you're coming from with your point and it's not a bad one, it's just that you need to consider it more objectively or you yourself will get burned because you lead to believe how they were acting was more important than what they were doing.
If you only look at the surface of what people are doing you'll never catch their actual intentions, ie the actual scumminess to a person's play.
Read my statement again. I will pressure any player at any given moment If I dislike what they are doing. It is true that I am scumreading Vinyl., but you cannot say that I haven't tried to read him or change my opinion, he has openly ignored me and when asked for one simple read on you, He says nothing. Please tell me why a town would avoid me like this over some simple question, or please tell me why Vinyl.
Again, you have not pressured Vinyl. You're screamed at him 'I AM GOING TO LYNCH YOU AHHHHHHH' and drilled a single point into him repeatedly. You're also really trying to make Vinyl (square peg) fit into your blanket town play that everyone should follow (circle hole).
if he had a legitimate scumread on me, would only vote me after I get flak.
Square peg
It's true, I am gun-ho. I have no reason not to be, I will scream and shout and rant and rave until Vinyl. does something that I believe merits an unvote, or he responds sufficiently. I have no reason to doubt my scumread unless it is personally refuted or the player I am scumreading can prove me otherwise. Why should I?
Because I've explained to you like 3 times now why your read should be taken as null. You can't hold every player to some preset list of 'town' actions that you've determined.
I'm not trying to say I'm arrogant, or that I don't listen to people, it's just that I don't buy statements like "It's just Vinyl." I am not trying to shut off discussion about this or just mindlessly tunnel him, I am completely open to a new direction of thought and reconsidering things, but so far nobody has given a sufficient argument and Vinyl. has done absolutely terrible responding to me. Tell me why this makes me scum again?
I literally have already explained it as plainly as I could in my last posts. To which end you have not done
anything to relax my concerns.
They are actions. I've presented legitimate argument and plenty of cases for Vinyl. to refute.
Show me. Your actions I've seen are 'Vinyl why did you vote glyph' 'Vinyl why are you ignoring me' and 'Vinyl you are scum'.
I have asked him questions and given my push complete substance, if anything I am trying my damn near hardest to not make this just another tunnel. The point about the voting of you is moot and I've dropped it, a very long time ago actually. The point is that you think I'm scum just because I'm trying too hard to get Vinyl. lynched and that I haven't provided anything for it. This is wrong and I will tell you why you're wrong many times over until either one of us breaks from responding to each other or we come to a mutual agreement. I will try everything in power to convince players of lynching Vinyl., and I will keep presenting more arguments as I see fit.
One single question repeated multiple times does not qualify as 'questions', nor does it lend your push substance.
And Soup, I really don't have any intention of walking away from a scum read any more than you do apparently. Its not in our hands, its up to the rest of the town to decide who's right.
, need to claim? 
, etc). I also don't want to play catch-up anymore, but probably I'll be bringing some old stuff back if I consider so though. I'll do a quick read and try to be current asap