Super Smash Bros. for Wii U / 3DS Info Thread - Risen from the dead by the psychic power of DLC

[Viceversa96]

Multiple Airdodges with No momentum change were confirmed. Translator translated dodge into cancel and people went crazy.

Why did people go crazy? Advanced techniques? I'll take 'em any day to make the game more interesting.

 

[redxparasite]

Better add Luigi to the list of veterans. Iwata showed off some screenshots during the Nintendo Direct today. :D

 

[Viceversa96]

Brawl's air dodge is back, as shown at 0:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQD1yJinzeQ

It also seems like Brawl's hitstun is still there as well, shown at 7:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQD1yJinzeQ

No I didn't see brawl hitstun but if it is there that's going to turn people off including myself.
I also see brawl air dodges as something subject to change because Sakuraii did talk about combo's.

 

[Zubyyyy]

Luigi's page is up on the Smash site.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

OK add luigi

and this mean despite being unlockable character hes just going to revealed every character in random order its a no brainer that luigi is going ot be unlockable again since he was unlockable in all 3

 

[Zubyyyy]

OK add luigi

and this mean despite being unlockable character hes just going to revealed every character in random order its a no brainer that luigi is going ot be unlockable again since he was unlockable in all 3

Probably, but you never know. This is, after all.....

 

[Frostwraith]

Today's Nintendo Direct announced Luigi as a returning character for SSB4. The Smash Bros. website has been updated, so you can check that out too.

As with any new reveal, the OP has been updated as well.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

OK add luigi

and this mean despite being unlockable character hes just going to revealed every character in random order its a no brainer that luigi is going ot be unlockable again since he was unlockable in all 3

Don't get ahead of yourself, Sakurai doesn't care much about following patterns. CF and Ness were starters in Melee but unlockables in Brawl, this time he might just make Luigi and Jigglypuff starters and make CF and Ness unlockables.

 

[Zubyyyy]

 

[MopedOfJustice]

OK add luigi

and this mean despite being unlockable character hes just going to revealed every character in random order its a no brainer that luigi is going ot be unlockable again since he was unlockable in all 3

No, they won't reveal all of them, or randomly. The only reason Luigi was revealed was because they were doing general Year-of-Luigi stuff.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

No, they won't reveal all of them, or randomly. The only reason Luigi was revealed was because they were doing general Year-of-Luigi stuff.

Ok I can see that and I forgot about ness and the captain being starters in Melee but reminder luigi has be unlock able in all 3 and correct me if I'm wrong but on brawls dojo wasn't sonic added to the site and he's unlockable in brawl

 

[Zubyyyy]

Ok I can see that and I forgot about ness and the captain being starters in Melee but reminder luigi has be unlock able in all 3 and correct me if I'm wrong but on brawls dojo wasn't sonic added to the site and he's unlockable in brawl

All of the characters were revealed on the Dojo. Unlockables were in a separate section with their pictures covered until you actually clicked on their page.

We have no idea how they're gonna reveal. Sakurai has stated he's gonna spend a lot less time on this site than on the Dojo, so it's possible he's gonna reveal everyone in no order. We just do not know as of yet.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

All of the characters were revealed on the Dojo. Unlockables were in a separate section with their pictures covered until you actually clicked on their page.

We have no idea how they're gonna reveal. Sakurai has stated he's gonna spend a lot less time on this site than on the Dojo, so it's possible he's gonna reveal everyone in no order. We just do not know as of yet.

Ok then why is snake and sonic not on the unlockable side besides being 3rd party on the brawl dojo

 

[Zubyyyy]

Ok then why is snake and sonic not on the unlockable side besides being 3rd party on the brawl dojo

That's the reason. They were third party. I bet it had something to do with advertising for Konami and Sega.

 

[MopedOfJustice]

Ok I can see that and I forgot about ness and the captain being starters in Melee but reminder luigi has be unlock able in all 3 and correct me if I'm wrong but on brawls dojo wasn't sonic added to the site and he's unlockable in brawl

Yes, that's right. The thing is that Sonic and Snake were the first 2 third-party characters EVER in Smash Bros (though technically, Snake's character used to be first party) and they were a major advertising point of the game, they were even on the back of the box! Unlockables are normally only revealed if there is a specific reason to, such as the case is with Luigi, and there are few better times in the history of Nintendo then "The Year of Luigi" to give news about Luigi in various games that would normally go unannounced.

 

[[Corn]]

Why did people go crazy? Advanced techniques? I'll take 'em any day to make the game more interesting.

The quote was poorly translated, leading many to dispute what the meaning was....

 

[PikaJew]

You should add that Pit has a new up B move.


and Mario has the same 3 taunts from Brawl

 

[Frostwraith]

You should add that Pit has a new up B move.

Pit has a new Up B move? Are you sure about that? I swear I've seen Pit using his flight ability in the first trailer...
Do you have a source that confirms that Pit has a new Up Special Move?

I know that he keeps his bow and has two new special moves based on weapons from Kid Icarus: Uprising.

 

[[Corn]]

Pit has a new Up B move? Are you sure about that? I swear I've seen Pit using his flight ability in the first trailer...
Do you have a source that confirms that Pit has a new Up Special Move?

I know that he keeps his bow and has two new special moves based on weapons from Kid Icarus: Uprising.

He does, I think it was shown in one of the trailers discussing Megaman/Villager.

Its more of a diagonal up recovery now.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

You should add that Pit has a new up B move.


and Mario has the same 3 taunts from Brawl

Off subject of that luigi a pose I checked it its defiantly him getting in charge up form of side Bs green rocket I mean watch luigi get into form in brawl and watch careful for a split second

 

[Frostwraith]

He does, I think it was shown in one of the trailers discussing Megaman/Villager.

Its more of a diagonal up recovery now.

Well, it could be the same move with some changes made to it, such as when he initiates the move on the ground.

I think I'll only add that information once we learn more details on the characters' moves...

 

[[Corn]]

Well, it could be the same move with some changes made to it, such as when he initiates the move on the ground.

I think I'll only add that information once we learn more details on the characters' moves...

Regardless, it has been shown to be different then his brawl up B in terms of length and control ability.

 

[MopedOfJustice]

To anyone who cares about Pokémon Characters:
A scan has been released showing "Mega Evolutions," which are awakened forms. That is what Mewtwo has, as well as 5 others so far, including Blaziken and Lucario.
I think this makes it entirely possible for Lucario to return, and possible from Blaziken to enter as a newcomer.
One more thing: Stop saying that M2 will be able to switch forms like Zelda/Sheik. It makes no sense, in the Pokémon canon. The point of an "Awakened Form" (in any series) is that it's objectively better than the previous form, it's even considered a temporary evolution in this case, like in Digimon.

 

[Frostwraith]

To anyone who cares about Pokémon Characters:
A scan has been released showing "Mega Evolutions," which are awakened forms. That is what Mewtwo has, as well as 5 others so far, including Blaziken and Lucario.
I think this makes it entirely possible for Lucario to return, and possible from Blaziken to enter as a newcomer.
One more thing: Stop saying that M2 will be able to switch forms like Zelda/Sheik. It makes no sense, in the Pokémon canon. The point of an "Awakened Form" (in any series) is that it's objectively better than the previous form, it's even considered a temporary evolution in this case, like in Digimon.

Those news have nothing to do with Smash Bros., so that's kind of irrelevant to post here, since this thread is for confirmed information about SSB4.
Also, everyone already agrees that these Megaforms are more suitable for Final Smashes rather than normal Special Moves. Whether or not Mewtwo or Lucario incorporate these forms in their movesets should they return is anyone's guess, but it's something worthy of speculation.

 

[GunBlaze]

Fast Slowpoke is fast!

 

[GTZ]

Never the less. Little Mac belongs to the fighting genre and is not a suitable character for SSB. How would you picture his special moves? The guy just punches the sh*t out of his opponents.

He'd be a hell of a lot more creative than MK from Brawl.

 

[SpaceJell0]

He'd be a hell of a lot more creative than MK from Brawl.

Or Marth, or Ganondorf, or Toon Link, or Roy, or Dr Mario, or Pichu, or Falco

 

[aleckermit]

Soccer ball is a confirmed item or is this a part of WFT's attacks?: http://www.smashbros.com/images/character/mario/screen-6.jpg

 

[Chiroz]

Luigi still has his foot taunt. And it still spikes.

 

[Fenrir VII]

Luigi still has his foot taunt. And it still spikes.

Yeah looking through the pictures, it looks like Luigi's moveset is mostly unchanged.

 

[κomıc]

I was really hoping they'd change up Luigi's moveset...

Would have been awesome to have him use his Poltergust 5000. W/e, I expected he would have been announced this month. November I expect Diddy, December Peach....

As for next month and October, I have a feeling Sonic may return to coincide with the release of Sonic Lost World if these character reveals are really following the release schedule of key titles. A big IF.

4 slots are left on the website. 4 months are left this year. And I'm doubting a newcomer reveal. Oh, and I'm aware this isn't a speculation thread, so please don't hop on me <3

 

[Trami Nguyen]

I want to see Super Smash Bros. 4 for Wii U and 3DS!

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Is larger stages Ben mentioned that just got confirmed on August 11th I believe but could be old news

 

[κomıc]

Is larger stages Ben mentioned that just got confirmed on August 11th I believe but could be old news

There will be a big row over such a thing in the competitive scene lol

I'm ready and waiting to watch.

 

[Frostwraith]

Today's picture shows the return of the Gooey Bomb item, which curiously has been previously mentioned by Sakurai during the SSB4 Developer Direct.

That makes it three items that have been confirmed for this game and all of them come from previous Smash Bros. games.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Today's picture shows the return of the Gooey Bomb item, which curiously has been previously mentioned by Sakurai during the SSB4 Developer Direct.

That makes it three items that have been confirmed for this game and all of them come from previous Smash Bros. games.

Um... Frostwraith, I don't mean to rain on your parade but...

That's a Crash Bomb.

 

[Frostwraith]

Um... Frostwraith, I don't mean to rain on your parade but...

That's a Crash Bomb.

What? It seemed like a Gooey Bomb to me. :/

Guess I'll have to change the OP again...

 

[Fenrir VII]

What? It seemed like a Gooey Bomb to me. :/

Guess I'll have to change the OP again...

Yo, can you add this info to the first post?

Also, can we get the first post updated to include the confirmed tactics/mechanics so far?

Confirmed:
-Pivot Grab (http://imgflip.com/i/26fab - Mario)
-Aerial clashes (http://imgflip.com/i/26f7i)
-Short-hop

and "probable":
-Dash dance (http://imgflip.com/i/26f8c - Megaman)
-Short dashes (http://imgflip.com/i/26fed - Link)
-Fast-fall (http://imgflip.com/i/2iwkx - Megaman)

 

[Chiroz]

Yo, can you add this info to the first post?

Add Fast-Fall to confirmed. That's definitely a Fast-Fall on Mario's very first jump on the Megaman vs Mario video. He does a full jump into down aerial and fast falls because of the input. Just compare all of his other jumps to that one jump.

 

[Fenrir VII]

Add Fast-Fall to confirmed. That's definitely a Fast-Fall on Mario's very first jump on the Megaman vs Mario video. He does a full jump into down aerial and fast falls because of the input. Just compare all of his other jumps to that one jump.

I don't disagree with you, but it's hard to really confirm it at this point, so this is me pretty much playing it safe. Here's my original post on it:

Fast fall is a very difficult thing to pick out from the vids so far. I'll give them another look an see if there's anything obvious, but not sure we'll be able to confirm it yet.

EDIT - ok the only thing I see for fastfalling occurs shortly after 0:20 in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-hPRocg8Yw), where the "sparkle" effect that occurs when fastfalling in previous games occurs around Megaman... he's so close to the ground that it's hard to see a change in fall speed, though.

I made a gif of it, but it's a bit hard to see..
http://imgflip.com/i/2iwkx

I also found it interesting that Mario's fall speed seems...inconsistent in the video. It seems like he's fast-falling at times, but no sparkle occurs or anything... his speed just changed. I say we file this one in the "probable" column... I think we all expect it, and have some evidence, but nothing terribly solid.

Looking for FFing in the video has definitely made me realize that the fall speed is MUCH faster than Brawl's, though.