Super Smash Bros. for Wii U / 3DS Info Thread - Risen from the dead by the psychic power of DLC

[KingofPhantoms]

Well, the backround is clearly space. While it could be a Super Mario Galaxy stage, I also think it could be the backround for the new Final Destination stage.

 

[Frostwraith]

You missed one of the most obvious things! The newest character! I did not see upside down link anywhere on here. This thread sucks.

But for real, what about the super mario galaxy stage?

I am aware of that picture and the strong implication of a Mario Galaxy stage, but I'm not going to include it in the OP until a definitive confirmation.

Well, the backround is clearly space. While it could be a Super Mario Galaxy stage, I also think it could be the backround for the new Final Destination stage.

It could be Final Destination indeed, given that it featured space backgrounds in Melee and Brawl.

 

[Mypantisgone]

The main thing that hints at Mario Galaxy is "familiar art style"

 

[Fatmanonice]

As you can see, there's a ton of similarities and it's practically guaranteed to be a Mario Galaxy stage.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Hmm, they are very similar.

Hopefully we'll see more of this stage soon.

 

[Frostwraith]

Spoiler

As you can see, there's a ton of similarities and it's practically guaranteed to be a Mario Galaxy stage.

Spoiler

The similarities are striking, indeed... Even the lighting on Mario, the Lumas and Kirby is similar, if not equal.

If there is a Mario Galaxy stage (and I think it's to be expected, anyway), what could it be? Rosalina's Comet Observatory? Good Egg Galaxy?
Personally, I'd like to see the Comet Observatory. Given that the hubs from SM64 and Sunshine (Peach's Castle and Delfino Plaza, respectively) had appeared in previous Smash Bros. games, having the Comet Observatory would continue that trend... but, of course, it doesn't warrant anything.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Theres just so much in Super Mario Galaxy (and it's sequal for that matter) to choose from...

I'd personally like a Comet Observatory stage, but like the Galaxy Tours stage in SSF2, with a greater variety of galaxies. I'm hoping the stage will have a few gimmicks too, but nothing too major. Maybe a Launch Star, the spinrg plants, and perhaps some small meteors?

 

[Aurora Jenny]

Frostwraith? You're the thread creator, right? Any chance of Doing the stage section up by Franchise with question marks under the empty ones? Give us a good ballpark estimate of what franchises still need stages shown and such. Just a useless thought I had.

 

[ryuu seika]

Personally, I'd like the SMG stage to be Starship Mario, with the gravity such that you could walk all the way round it. It would be a unique but not unfair gimmick.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Ok add this to the list of confirmed stuff samus's charge shots speed and power is increased on samus

 

[Frostwraith]

Ok add this to the list of confirmed stuff samus's charge shots speed and power is increased on samus

I have heard of that already, but completely forgot to update the OP. Thanks for remembering me!

 

[nessokman]

I am thinking there will be a happy trigger from kid icarus. If you have not played uprising, happy trigger almost instantly charges your shots, this could make smashes done with a C-Stick (or whatever button we end up using) and make them full power temporarily. This would mean you could spam full power smashes for 5-15 seconds. It would be broken, but it IS sakurai

 

[MSmariosonic]

His

It could be a Down Smash, in that case.

His down smash is the shovel

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Interesting i really like that luigi gets his jump from super mario brothers 2 on the NES ( aka flutter jump)

 

[Opossum]

His

His down smash is the shovel

Yeah, I must have forgotten that at that point, haha. The bowling ball's probably a side smash.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Yeah, I must have forgotten that at that point, haha. The bowling ball's probably a side smash.

About that....I think that the axe is his side smash..to be honest...the bowling ball looks more like a special move...

 

[Opossum]

About that....I think that the axe is his side smash..to be honest...the bowling ball looks more like a special move...

Nah, I think the Axe is just part of the Down Special.

Plant>Water>Chop.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

TOON LINK CONFIRMED

So 2 characters a month is possible so now its likely both a pokemon and sonic gets confirmed in october abd mewtwo is the most likely pokemon on whatever day the pokemon character gets confirmed and sonic will be the 4th week of october and the pokemon on the 2nd week of october

 

[PAPCGyE]

TOON LINK CONFIRMED

So 2 characters a month is possible so now its likely both a pokemon and sonic gets confirmed in october abd mewtwo is the most likely pokemon on whatever day the pokemon character gets confirmed and sonic will be the 4th week of october and the pokemon on the 2nd week of october

I think yoshi is next, I mean he is one of the N64's SSB veterans...

 

[MSmariosonic]

Nah, I think the Axe is just part of the Down Special.

Plant>Water>Chop.

I doubt it..since there clearly is a screenshot of pikachu near the tree without villager in sight...which might mean the villager can use the trees as obstacles for other characters and even expand the power of his Forward Smash by using it on a tree. You're welcome....

 

[Bat_Tom]

TOON LINK CONFIRMED

Here's hoping he's not just a wasted character slot this time around!

what's a skull hammer lol deku leaf is that some american tea

 

[Opossum]

I doubt it..since there clearly is a screenshot of pikachu near the tree without villager in sight...which might mean the villager can use the trees as obstacles for other characters and even expand the power of his Forward Smash by using it on a tree. You're welcome....

What I'm saying is this: if there's no tree on the field, you plant the seed with Down B. If you press Down B near the seed, it grows into a tree when you pull out the watering can. If you're next to the full grown tree when you press Down B, he pull out the axe and chops the tree. It's more than likely the same command.

But this really isn't the place for this.

 

[ImaClubYou]

TOON LINK CONFIRMED


So 2 characters a month is possible so now its likely both a pokemon and sonic gets confirmed in october abd mewtwo is the most likely pokemon on whatever day the pokemon character gets confirmed and sonic will be the 4th week of october and the pokemon on the 2nd week of october

I'm leaning towards more that Sakurai will post all veterans first before showing newcomers. Shame.

 

[Chido72]

I'm conflicted on this reveal.
On one hand, Toon Link is one of my mains from Brawl and I'm glad to see him back. If any clone were to return I'm glad it's him.
On the other, I think this would severely limit the changes Link might have received. I think we all thought Toon Link wouldn't make it (he was certainly near the bottom of my return list, second only to probably Falco) and hoped that in his place, Link would get some speed buffs. But now I'm afraid Link'll go Bottom Tier for the fourth game in a row, which is something that saddens me greatly.

 

[grizby2]

I'm conflicted on this reveal.
On one hand, Toon Link is one of my mains from Brawl and I'm glad to see him back. If any clone were to return I'm glad it's him.
On the other, I think this would severely limit the changes Link might have received. I think we all thought Toon Link wouldn't make it (he was certainly near the bottom of my return list, second only to probably Falco) and hoped that in his place, Link would get some speed buffs. But now I'm afraid Link'll go Bottom Tier for the fourth game in a row, which is something that saddens me greatly.

nothing is set in stone. falco got a lot of changes that made him more different from fox when brawl was released, and although its not noticeable at first , toon link is actually bit more different from adult link when compared to young link. im sure sakurai has noticed the demand for "less cloney"ness.

I wouldn't have minded another type of link, but who could throw out such an adorable face eh? toon link is BACK! what a trooper!
and if HE made it back, then lucas can certainly do the same~
im happy for all the toon link fans out there, good goin' guys. d--(^-^)z

 

[MSmariosonic]

nothing is set in stone. falco got a lot of changes that made him more different from fox when brawl was released, and although its not noticeable at first , toon link is actually bit more different from adult link when compared to young link. im sure sakurai has noticed the demand for "less cloney"ness.

I wouldn't have minded another type of link, but who could throw out such an adorable face eh? toon link is BACK! what a trooper!
and if HE made it back, then lucas can certainly do the same~
im happy for all the toon link fans out there, good goin' guys. d--(^-^)z

I agree 100% ...you are so right my friend!

 

[redxparasite]

With the way Nintendo's been doing things, they've been revealing characters around either their game releases (like Olimar and Pikmin 3), or when big news about them is revealed. It makes sense from a marketing point because they can promote both the game and Smash 4 simultaneously.

So, I wouldn't be surprised if we got another Pokemon revealed with the release of X and Y. I'd say that it's safe to say that Jigglypuff will be returning (I'd be sad if she wasn't). As for the other pokemon that might appear, I'm not as sure. I personally would love to see Blaziken/Mega Blaziken (as that fits with Nintendo's strategy to tie characters to their game releases). I'm not too keen on Pokemon Trainer returning but that's just me.

As for the Star Fox characters, here are my thoughts. Fox is fine, keep him the way he is. Keep Falco in, he was different enough in both Melee and Brawl to merit being another chracter. I'm sure Sakurai can make him different enough to not be a clone. Finally, scrap Wolf and add Krystal. Wolf was a clone, hands down. Krystal, however, adds so much. In addition to another female character, she could use her staff to fight, making her markedly different than the other spacies.

 

[MSmariosonic]

With the way Nintendo's been doing things, they've been revealing characters around either their game releases (like Olimar and Pikmin 3), or when big news about them is revealed. It makes sense from a marketing point because they can promote both the game and Smash 4 simultaneously.

So, I wouldn't be surprised if we got another Pokemon revealed with the release of X and Y. I'd say that it's safe to say that Jigglypuff will be returning (I'd be sad if she wasn't). As for the other pokemon that might appear, I'm not as sure. I personally would love to see Blaziken/Mega Blaziken (as that fits with Nintendo's strategy to tie characters to their game releases). I'm not too keen on Pokemon Trainer returning but that's just me.

As for the Star Fox characters, here are my thoughts. Fox is fine, keep him the way he is. Keep Falco in, he was different enough in both Melee and Brawl to merit being another chracter. I'm sure Sakurai can make him different enough to not be a clone. Finally, scrap Wolf and add Krystal. Wolf was a clone, hands down. Krystal, however, adds so much. In addition to another female character, she could use her staff to fight, making her markedly different than the other spacies.

Since when is Wolf a clone? Heck...he isn't even a semi-clone.

 

[FalKoopa]

Stay on topic, guys; take the discussion elsewhere, preferably the Smash 4 general thread.

 

[DownWitDaWaveDash]

Calling it right now, Normal link is garbage tier.

>Reducing number of characters in the game
>Getting rid of clones
>Toon Link

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Calling it right now, Normal link is garbage tier.

>Reducing number of characters in the game
>Getting rid of clones
>Toon Link

Sakurai never said the first two things. Where did you get that?

 

[Curious Villager]

I love it how in every Smash Bros game. People always love to think that Sakurai is cutting clones entirely and then start assuming that it's official.

Sakurai never said that he was cutting clones, at all. And if he did I want to see an official source of it.

Can't we just push for them to get Luigified? :/

 

[Luco]

Hey frosty, just wondering whether it'd be useful to put in a list of aesthetic changes to characters if you happen to have the time? Things like:

- Peach's Usmash seems to have ribbons now.
- Character attacks 'cut' through the air now, meant to outline the quick actions of characters and improve aesthetics. This involves showing where the attack went.
- Donkey Kong's recovery doesn't 'chalk up dust' like in Brawl but is rather a quick cutting, smooth circular motion that is easily recognised.
- Kirby can turn into a spiked Thwomp among his other transformations.
- Samus' Final smash beam is more defined, with a mix of blue-base colours moving along the length of the beam.

Etc...?

 

[Frostwraith]

Hey frosty, just wondering whether it'd be useful to put in a list of aesthetic changes to characters if you happen to have the time? Things like:

- Peach's Usmash seems to have ribbons now.
- Character attacks 'cut' through the air now, meant to outline the quick actions of characters and improve aesthetics. This involves showing where the attack went.
- Donkey Kong's recovery doesn't 'chalk up dust' like in Brawl but is rather a quick cutting, smooth circular motion that is easily recognised.
- Kirby can turn into a spiked Thwomp among his other transformations.
- Samus' Final smash beam is more defined, with a mix of blue-base colours moving along the length of the beam.

Etc...?

Peach's Up Smash having ribbons is already on the list and I may add the others. Actually, I never noticed some of those changes, such as the DK one.

Edit 1: Added the bolded changes. Kirby's change was actually replacing the Super Mario 64 Thwomp with the more recent games' design.

I don't really get what do you mean with DK's change. Could you explain a little further?

Also, I'm not adding Samus' FS change since almost every attack also had minor aesthetic changes that aren't really worth adding.

 

[DownWitDaWaveDash]

Sakurai never said the first two things. Where did you get that?

I never said he said anything... but you can google "smash bros less characters" and read all the interviews about time frame and characters not returning etc... which in turn makes me think, clones should be lost so we can have slots for ACTUAL characters.

I mean.... link still gonna suck

 

[TumblrFamous]

I never said he said anything... but you can google "smash bros less characters" and read all the interviews about time frame and characters not returning etc... which in turn makes me think, clones should be lost so we can have slots for ACTUAL characters.

I mean.... link still gonna suck

Well, we're still probably gonna have more characters. And some clones are truly important to the game, like Wolf, Ganondorf, and Lucas. And obviously Toon Link is important to Sakurai.

And I will be completely honest, Link would've sucked without Toon Link anyway.

 

[Luco]

Peach's Up Smash having ribbons is already on the list and I may add the others. Actually, I never noticed some of those changes, such as the DK one.

Edit 1: Added the bolded changes. Kirby's change was actually replacing the Super Mario 64 Thwomp with the more recent games' design.

I don't really get what do you mean with DK's change. Could you explain a little further?

Also, I'm not adding Samus' FS change since almost every attack also had minor aesthetic changes that aren't really worth adding.

True enough.

DK's upB change was minor then. Notice in Brawl how when DK uses upB it seems to just be a big circle of dust and stuff you can't really see. On the other hand, in smash 4 all you see with DKs upB is like a few small lines.

So compare this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrPHCvfy10k&t=2m59s

To this:

It's a minor aesthetic change though, as you say. So don't worry. :-)

 

[Accf124]

I doubt it..since there clearly is a screenshot of pikachu near the tree without villager in sight...which might mean the villager can use the trees as obstacles for other characters and even expand the power of his Forward Smash by using it on a tree. You're welcome....

I think Villagers side special will change depending on where you positioned

Ex)
Side Special on platform - Tree Sequence
Side Special on ledge - Bowling Ball
Side Special in air (?) - Gyroid Rocket (could just be entrance animation)

 

[CardiganBoy]

As you can see, there's a ton of similarities and it's practically guaranteed to be a Mario Galaxy stage.

That has to be a Mario Galaxy stage; Sakurai said "Isn't Kirby drawn with a familiar artsy style?", with art style he was referring to the rim lighting, wich is that effect of light that gives "white borders" on the character models, wich was heavily used in Super Mario Galaxy games.
Example:

 

[Accf124]

Super Kirby Galaxy comfirmed (that could actually be a decent Kirby game for Wii U if it was real)