Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[kikaru]

"You mean 'Super Smash Bros.'?"

"Uh, I don't think it was that."

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

I want to see someone get smashed hard and hear them yell "MY PERCENTAAAAAAAAGE"

Ratatta confirmed for Smash 4?

 

[FlareHabanero]

"Uh, I don't think it was that."

"It's definitely that."

 

[Arcadenik]

Well, what gain is there in replacing Marth with Lucina and replacing Sheik with Impa?

You gain butthurt.

 

[Pyra]

I'm going to go for lunch. If I come back and someone makes Waluigi Time happen again I'm going to punch a baby.

 

[Frostwraith]

I'm going to go for lunch. If I come back and someone makes Waluigi Time happen again I'm going to punch a baby.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

In means of being female though, shut up.

Make us, internet tough guy. ¦D

Seriously, you're acting like someone shot and ***** your Mom and then **** on your cat and stole your left shoe while jaywalking down the freeway on Christmas Eve.

Relax. It ain't that serious. XD

 

[Opossum]

Toaster's gone?

EDIT: FROST! WHY!

 

[Croph]

Having a character to literally use the interface would be funny, but the question is: who would do that?

I always thought it would be cool if a character goes close to the screen and says something that acknowlodges the audience perhaps also staring right at you or making the screen shake. I don't really know who would be a good fourth wall breaker...

But doesn't Captain Falcon break the fourth wall when faces the player and says, "SHOW ME YOUR MOVES!". idk I always thought that lol.

 

[Frostwraith]

EDIT: FROST! WHY!

Because WAAAAAAAAA. That's why. (And because purple is a color.)

 

[Fatmanonice]

I remember shortly after Brawl came out a number of people were debating what determined whether a character was "safe" or not. Here are a few things people speculated:

1. Characters that have appeared in more than one Smash game have more prevalence than those that have just appeared in one.

2. Characters who appear in the starting roster at some point in time have more prevalence than unlockable characters.

3. Main characters have prevalence over side characters.

4. Characters with unique movesets have prevalence over clones and semiclones.

5. Characters with more modern relevance have prevalence over older characters.

6. First/second party characters have prevalence over third party characters.

7. Popularity is less significant than everything listed above.

So, if we were to divide up the current cast into tiers into how likely they are to stick around based on these standards, it would look something like this:

God Tier:



The original 8. All are the stars in their respective franchises, all have unique movesets, and all have been starters in every single game so far.If any of them were cut, the universe would probably implode on itself.

Top Tier:



The original 4 unlockables plus the Ice Climbers and the two unlockable franchise stars in Melee. Aside from Luigi, all have unique movesets, all are the leading characters in their respective franchises, and all have been in at least two games. It should also be noted that Ness and Captain Falcon were both starters in Melee, theoretically increasing their "job security."Jigglypuff's relevance is iffy but the other factors are argued to help her out a lot. It should be noted that of the new additions to Melee's starting roster, the Ice Climbers were the only ones that represented a new franchise. Ice Climbers, Marth, and Game and Watch are ranked above people like Bowser and Peach simply because they are the stars of their respective franchises. The chances of any of these characters leaving is pretty small.

High Tier:



Melee's new starting roster additions as well some of the Melee unlockables who "survived" the cuts. All are side characters but still important to their franchises with several of them being playable in canon appearances.All have been in at least two games and more than half of them have unique movesets. These characters have been established as staples in Smash but not as much as the original cast. Some of these characters are only a little iffy but they are probably near the bottom of the list when it comes to characters that are being considered to be cut. If anything, they're more likely to be tweaked then get the boot.

Mid Tier:



Most of Brawl's new starting roster plus ROB. Roughly half of them are franchise stars and all of them have been playable in canon games in their respective franchise. All are still very relevant to their respective franchises and all have unique movesets. ROB is a special case largely because he was the only unlockable character in Brawl representing a new first party franchise to Smash. These characters are not yet staples of Smash Bros but it's widely agreed that they all have a long history ahead of them.

Low Tier:



The remaining newcomers in Brawl's starting roster. All are franchise stars but their relevance is argued to be questionable (especially Ike). PT and Ike have unique movesets while Lucas is the only semi-clone who has ever made it to the starting roster of a Smash game, something questionably significant but could ultimately save his skin. PT and Ike are in danger of being replaced by newer characters in their respective franchises and many people argue that Ike will become the new "Roy" once SSB4 actually comes out. These characters are on the chopping block but have enough going for them to not make them at the top of the list.

Bottom Tier:



The remaining new unlockable characters in Brawl including the two third party "guests." Despite Sonic's overwhelming popularity, modern relevance, and unique moveset, his inclusion is entirely dependent on SEGA's cooperation. If SEGA says no or Nintendo doesn't bother to contact them, that's the end of it. Snake's the same way except with Konami. Lucario's relevance is as hotly debated as PT and Ike but, unlike them, he was unlockable and he's a side character in his respective franchise. Wolf is still important to the Star Fox franchise but he's plagued with a number of things. He was Brawl's only unlockable new semi-clone and still a supporting character in his respective franchise. If there are any cuts made in SSB4, there is no doubt that at least one of these guys will be one of them.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Captain Falcon

(H)Yes! He'd be the PERFECT person for it! D:

At least a couple moves of his, or just a new taunt or some kinda Easter Egg.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Make us, internet tough guy. ¦D

Seriously, you're acting like someone shot and ***** your Mom and then **** on your cat and stole your left shoe while jaywalking down the freeway on Christmas Eve.

Relax. It ain't that serious. XD

Why are you taking me this seriously again

Maan, I hate people forcing me to take petty responsibility on how I post. I can do that, but I'll see when it's appropriate.

On the other hand, these statements contain very irritating memories I'm fighting relentlessly from resurfacing again...

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Why are you taking me this seriously again

Because my hair is purple. ¦3

WAAAAAAAAAA

 

[Galanosgladius]

Not to reboot an older conversation, but a female, Nintendo-only, character with an interesting move-set would be Tara Grimface from Lost Kingdoms 2.

Here is the Wiki if you are curious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Kingdoms_II

 

[Frostwraith]

Not to reboot an older conversation, but a female, Nintendo-only, character with an interesting move-set would be Tara Grimface from Lost Kingdoms 2.

Here is the Wiki if you are curious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Kingdoms_II

She's a third party character... >_>
Sakurai has very strict guidelines for non-Nintendo characters. There's no way in hell that character is getting in.

 

[Opossum]

Not to reboot an older conversation, but a female, Nintendo-only, character with an interesting move-set would be Tara Grimface from Lost Kingdoms 2.

Here is the Wiki if you are curious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Kingdoms_II

It appears to be third party, so it pretty much has no chance, sorry to say. Sakurai only puts in third parties with "special conditions" on a case by case basis.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Not to reboot an older conversation, but a female, Nintendo-only, character with an interesting move-set would be Tara Grimface from Lost Kingdoms 2.

Here is the Wiki if you are curious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Kingdoms_II

Hah, I remember getting that game and absolutely hating it.

But you're entirely right, she is female, Nintendo-only, and she'd have a pretty unique moveset. We don't have any true summoner characters yet.

 

[Conviction]

Oh. My. God.

Shut the hell up about not enough females in the god damn game. I'm sooooo sorry that Nintendo doesn't offer an equal amount of heroines to heroes.

I'm honestly getting tired of those whose support "because they're female". In this gaming community it's "oh mah gerd dere not enuff" while in other games that have a majority of heroines or close to an equal number they are like "oh mah gerd wai r yu objectifying womanz through yuer games"

New topic, please.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

I somehow managed to keep this thread silent for a little over 20 minutes. Was that revelation really THAT surprising? XD

This is sorta random, but do you guys think the customization stuff is gonna turn out to just be like the stickers in SSE?

 

[~automatic]

People just didn't feel like replying to that.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Not to reboot an older conversation, but a female, Nintendo-only, character with an interesting move-set would be Tara Grimface from Lost Kingdoms 2.

Here is the Wiki if you are curious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Kingdoms_II

I'd have a better chance saying Simon Belmont is getting in.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Oh. My. God.

Shut the hell up about not enough females in the god damn game. I'm sooooo sorry that Nintendo doesn't offer an equal amount of heroines to heroes.

I'm honestly getting tired of those whose support "because they're female". In this gaming community it's "oh mah gerd dere not enuff" while in other games that have a majority of heroines or close to an equal number they are like "oh mah gerd wai r yu objectifying womanz through yuer games"

New topic, please.

You know what, just to spite you~

Playable characters aside, we could probably use more female characters for Assist Trophies too. ¦3

People just didn't feel like replying to that.

*insert thatsthejoke.jpg here*

 

[FlareHabanero]

Hah, I remember getting that game and absolutely hating it.

But you're entirely right, she is female, Nintendo-only, and she'd have a pretty unique moveset. We don't have any true summoner characters yet.

She's not a Nintendo character, the hell are you talking about.

 

[O'kaz A1]

Oh. My. God.

New topic, please.

Me either

 

[Galanosgladius]

This is sorta random, but do you guys think the customization stuff is gonna turn out to just be like the stickers in SSE?

Sakurai mentioned wanting to be able to change the direction of attack, maybe I am taking this to literally, but I think that means things like firing a PK-Fire at a 45 Degree angle. Or just kind of changing where a hit will land. He also mentioned he didnt want the power of attacks to change.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Being published by Activision means she has as small a chance as Crash Bandicoot.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Sakurai mentioned wanting to be able to change the direction of attack, maybe I am taking this to literally, but I think that means things like firing a PK-Fire at a 45 Degree angle. Or just kind of changing where a hit will land. He also mentioned he didnt want the power of attacks to change.

What would that mean for a move like PK Thunder or Din's Fire, though? o_o

 

[O'kaz A1]

This is sorta random, but do you guys think the customization stuff is gonna turn out to just be like the stickers in SSE?

Maybe... who knows!

 

[Conviction]

You know what, just to spite you~

Playable characters aside, we could probably use more female characters for Assist Trophies too. ¦3

I personally don't care about the ratio; I'm just saying don't complain about what you get like others tend to.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

I personally don't care about the ratio; I'm just saying don't complain about what you get like others tend to.

Well the game isn't out yet. We haven't "gotten" anything, so it's only natural for people to talk about what they would want for it. You can complain about that all you like, but you damn sure can't stop it. XD

Anyway, here's a topic I've never seen brought up.

...Who should be the Final Boss of Smash 4? o_o

 

[Frostwraith]

...Who should be the Final Boss of Smash 4? o_o

The windmill guy that teaches Link the Song of Storms.

I mean this guy:

(His name is Guru-Guru, by the way.)

 

[O'kaz A1]

Has anyone an idea about how much c.a. characters will include in the next Smash Bros games? Super Smash Bros (N64) has max of 12 characters, Super Smash Bros Melee has max of 25 characters and Super Smash Bros Brawl has max of 35 characters.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

The windmill guy that teaches Link the Song of Storms.

I mean this guy:

(His name is Guru-Guru, by the way.)

"Guru-Guru"?

I see what you did there, Japan. ¦D

Shame the pun wasn't localized or anything. lol

 

[LaniusShrike]

She's not a Nintendo character, the hell are you talking about.

The phrase "Nintendo-only" clearly is not the same thing as "is a character made and produced by Nintendo".

But, well, I assume you already know that. You... do realize that playing dumb isn't the same thing as being smart, right? Why're you even responding to me, all I said was that his statements are true. The character clearly has no chance of getting in and has in all likelihood received literally zero consideration from the SSB4 makers.

Anyway. Yeah, the female argument gets more attention in Smash conversations than is warrented. The fact that people should be griping about isn't that Smash needs more females or even that Nintendo needs more females, it's that video games, on the whole, lack female representation. And that's a bigger conversation than these boards cover.

@Wave
I'm hoping for a final boss that's an unlockable character. Perhaps his penultimate battle would be some epic traditional "boss-fight", but I'd like to see an actual on the ground, actual villain kind of character.

Not some personality-less hologram with a poorly spelled name.

 

[Pyra]

Toaster's gone?

EDIT: FROST! WHY!

ಠ_ಠ

 

[Fatmanonice]

...Who should be the Final Boss of Smash 4? o_o

CD-I Ganon wearing a Powerglove and riding a giant, flying Virtual Boy, of course.

 

[O'kaz A1]

The windmill guy that teaches Link the Song of Storms.

I mean this guy:

(His name is Guru-Guru, by the way.)

Seriously, you're kinding right? (Not to be rude) He isn't that epic and tough, is he? Although his song (Song of Storms) surely is epic.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

CD-I Ganon wearing a Powerglove and riding a giant, flying Virtual Boy, of course.

And when you finally beat him and knock him off the stage, as expected he goes "NO! NOT THE PIT! IT BUUUURNS!"

 

[Jedisupersonic]

The windmill guy that teaches Link the Song of Storms.

I mean this guy:

(His name is Guru-Guru, by the way.)

He would be still mad at Link for playing the song as a kid.. either that or because of his name is secretly..