Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Kef]

But Wolf... that ain't Falco.

 

[bobadz]

@starpheonix, Even gamefaqs is being more reasonable then GAF when it comes to cuts right now. Granted every page you will see Atleast one Ridley topic, but still. People aren't being as cut happy as they were a few days ago.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

One of the new users here who is also a programmer said that characters like PT and Shelda are loaded before the match starts. Otherwise there would be significant lag during the transformations.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I thought there was a video or something that showed someone do a Brawl-styled air dodge. I could be wrong, but...

It's Brawl-styled airdodges now, yes, but Sakurai himself said that he was in the process of "experimenting" with them as of that E3 build. I was wondering if we did see a revival of the Melee airdodge, would the physics of the new engine allow for wavedashing. That's all.

To go on the record, I'm totally okay living without something like wavedashing. Lol. As long as the rest of the game flows smoothly and quickly enough, it's not really necessary to make a breakneck-paced game. Well, insofar as my personal preference and opinion goes, anyway.

Smooth Criminal

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Samus should totally turn to Ridley after her final smash

 

[Fatmanonice]

It's also been noted that the issue actually isn't characters like ZSS and Zelda/Sheik but characters who have parts of them that have individual AI like the Ice Climbers and Olimar. With the Ice Climbers it's the second Ice Climber and with Olimar it's the pikmin.

 

[Starbound]

Maybe Olimar's doesn't pluck Pikmin anymore, he just always has a bunch on hand.

Like he keeps throwing them out for side B, but they disappear after they've finished attacking. Or he pulls out different colors of Pikmin for the Smashes and other moves. Winged Pikmin could be his recovery where he pulls two out and holds onto them.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I would really like Olimar to return

 

[bobadz]

My only problem with gamefaqs right now is Vaztor71. dedekong's been very quite lately. Vaztor is just trolling the Ridley fanbase, along with his followers.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Samus should totally turn to Ridley after her final smash

Zero-suit Ridley?
Brilliant!

I would love it if Olimar's recovery did something involving the Flying Pikmin.
Maybe possibly something similar to R.O.B's recovery where the Flying Pikmin will pik Olimar up and give him free roam in the air for limited amount of time until Olimar touches the ground.

 

[kackamee]

I would really like Olimar to return

He's not in trouble. Don't worry friend. If anything happens, he'll just be replaced by one of the new characters in Pikmin 3.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I do wonder what they're going to do about Pikmin. Olimar is playable in Pikmin 3 (albeit in the multiplayer mode) but I guess there is the possibility of him being replaced by the new captain Charley.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I would loveit if Olimar's recovery did something involving the Flying Pikmin.

An idea we've had involved his recovery potentially staying the same, but for every Flying Pikmin with Olimar the chain flies him up a bit lifting him and also ultimately extending its reach.

 

[kackamee]

It's also been noted that the issue actually isn't characters like ZSS and Zelda/Sheik but characters who have parts of them that have individual AI like the Ice Climbers and Olimar. With the Ice Climbers it's the second Ice Climber and with Olimar it's the pikmin.

Has this been confirmed or are we still speculating that this is the problem?

 

[Popsydoodles]

Can I get an update on whats happened in the last 2 days? Anything noteworthy?

 

[Fatmanonice]

I've looked on other forums and the people who actually have some programming knowledge seem to all agree on this. This also explains why, aside from Game and Watch, Olimar and the Ice Climbers were by far the least touched characters when it came to PSAs.

 

[Metal Overlord]

So what's new today lol

 

[Moon Monkey]

An idea we've had involved his recovery potentially staying the same, but for every Flying Pikmin with Olimar the chain flies him up a bit lifting him and also ultimately extending its reach.

After Brawl, tether recovery has left a bad taste in my mouth. Once someone grabs the ledge your character is essentially rendered useless. Unless in Super Smash Bros. Wii U/ 3DS tether recovery can now:

1. Latch onto the ledge even if someone is on it (Like Project M).
   1. And if the ledge-hogger is still holding onto the ledge while your latched onto the edge; they should be pushed/knocked off the ledge when you pull your character up.
2. Latch onto other parts of the stage than the ledge (Like Melee).

Unless these changes are implemented, I personally would like it if Olimar and other tether recovery reliant characters received a new recovery move. Or at least a alternative recovery option.

 

[Starphoenix]

Nah, I think there would still be significantly more beef if Zamus was removed than, say, R.O.B. She was one of the first five Brawl characters revealed and I think there would be a lot of backlash for cutting down on the girls in the roster.

Not if she is replaced with Ridley.

One of the new users here who is also a programmer said that characters like PT and Shelda are loaded before the match starts. Otherwise there would be significant lag during the transformations.

Even with that being true Pokémon Trainer still causes Brawl to lag. But on top of that you still have the issue with the Pokémon Trainer himself needing a location made for him in the background.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Since Zamus is the same person as Samus, it's not really cutting down on the girls since the same amount of girls are in the game

Plus they made Samus more feminine in this game anyway to reflect she IS a girl

 

[Starphoenix]

I don't think it truly matters in the end since there won't be quite the dramatic decrease as NeoGAF seems hellbent on believing there will be. Unfortunately I can't go into specifics right now. Just a lot of misinterpretation and misinformation. Remember:

 

[Holder of the Heel]

After Brawl, tether recovery has left a bad taste in my mouth. Once someone grabs the ledge your character is essentially rendered useless. Unless in Super Smash Bros. Wii U/ 3DS tether recovery can now:

1. Latch onto the ledge even if someone is on it (Like Project M).
   1. And if the ledge-hogger is still holding onto the ledge while your latched onto the edge; they should be pushed/knocked off the ledge when you pull your character up.
2. Latch onto other parts of the stage than the ledge (Like Melee).

Unless these changes are implemented, I personally would like it if Olimar and other tether recovery reliant characters received a new recovery move. Or at least a alternative recovery option.

Being that it is so painful to be off stage as Olimar I definitely agree with everything you say here.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well, the villager doesn't wear that hat anymore

It was the hat that made all the difference

 

[Hoots]

I don't think it truly matters in the end since there won't be quite the dramatic decrease as NeoGAF seems hellbent on believing there will be. Unfortunately I can't go into specifics right now. Just a lot of misinterpretation and misinformation. Remember:

I would main the **** out of Shiba Inu Puppy.

 

[Fatmanonice]

The next character revealed is Nintendog Trainer who attacks by throwing puppies.

 

[Frostwraith]

The next character revealed is Nintendog Trainer who attacks by throwing puppies.

That made me laugh, but then animal rights groups like PETA would want Sakurai's head on a pike.

 

[FalKoopa]

The next character revealed is Nintendog Trainer who attacks by throwing puppies.

He should be an Olimar clone.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

@star
Are you sure it lags? I don't remember any lag in my offline games and I just looked up a PT video on youtube and didn't see any lag.

 

[N3ON]

He should be an Olimar clone.

I'd instamain any character that plucks puppies from the ground and uses them as a tether.

Though repeatedly watching them die would probably scar me.

 

[Deleted member]

The issues with the 3DS makes me think that even if we don't see the limit in the roster that many people are fearing (I'm thinking we'll get at least fifty characters by the time this is all said and one, transformation included) that there won't be anymore transformation characters. Meaning that Mewtwo is probably going to return as Awakening Mewtwo and the original Mewtwo won't.

Also we should remember that Sakurai said that characters would be "nearly" identical on both versions. While the characters offered will be the same, it's possible that Zelda and Sheik are split on the 3DS version (like Starphoenix is proposing) but are kept together in the Wii-U version.

@Starphoenix and veterans: One way they could approach the situation is to get rid of the Pokémon Trainer but keep Charizard, Ivysaur and Squirtle. Even if the Pokémon Trainer does go, it doesn't mean that Charizard, Ivysaur and Squirtle has to as well. It would help make the characters less complicated to work with overall.

 

[Popsydoodles]

So then...nothing new? okay.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Yeah seperating PT's Pokemon IMO would a great way to go, we'd only be losing an NPC and benefit would come from doing such (playing as Charizard and Squirtle by their lonesomes FTW)

 

[Fatmanonice]

So then...nothing new? okay.

Nope. Get used to it. Like I mentioned yesterday, we're probably months off from any major reveals but I'm ready to eat my words if Sakurai is.

 

[Baskerville]

Kamiya talks about game design, Twitter, Starfox, and would be happy to see Bayo in Smash

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah seperating PT's Pokemon IMO would a great way to go, we'd only be losing an NPC and benefit would come from doing such (playing as Charizard and Squirtle by their lonesomes FTW)

We also don't have to deal with the gimmick that makes them less effective the more they fight.

 

[Frostwraith]

The issue on the 3DS is not transforming characters like Samus, Pokémon Trainer and Zelda.

It's for characters who involve multiple fighters at the same time. Transformations are character swaps mid-battle and not simultaneous fighters. Mind the wording.

 

[volbound1700]

Even people who like to play with items don't really care about them that much as long as they're fun. For example, the only item that made me say "oh, that's neat" when they first announced it on the Dojo was the Cracker Launcher.

I love items, I just hate the overpowered ones which appeared a lot in Brawl. The Assist Trophies were very overpowered (Andross, Lyn, Saki, etc.). Also never really liked the hammer that much. I love the bat, sword, laser gun, shell, bomb-omb, etc.

 

[N3ON]

So then...nothing new? okay.

This, and the screenshots on the DOJO (which don't show anything new) are the only "new" new stuff I believe. And that's already a day old, so somewhere some slowpoke image is being readied for the next person that posts it.

Kamiya talks about game design, Twitter, Starfox, and would be happy to see Bayo in Smash

Doesn't seem like Bayonetta is planned at this point (and I don't see Sakurai pulling a Sonic for her).

Also somebody just let them work on Starfox dammit! If Retro has no plans for it... then why the hell not? Platinum is more than capable. Tbh it'll probably sell better than the two they're working on now.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

That made me laugh, but then animal rights groups like PETA would want Sakurai's head on a pike.

I surprised they don't already, what with DK/Diddy, Pikachu, the Space Animals, Yoshi, etc.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Kamiya talks about game design, Twitter, Starfox, and would be happy to see Bayo in Smash

I would love to see what Kamiya does with the Starfox series. As long as it isn't Starfox-O-netta. (Too lazy to photoshop Fox's head on Bayonetta's body)
I would prefer Viewtiful Joe over Bayonetta, but hey! Beggars can't be choosers.