Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[lobotheduck21]

Thought of another cross over game

street fighter x tmnt

 

[Jaedrik]

Did you know Donnel has **** max stats? http://serenesforest.net/fe13/char_max_all.html
It's true, Anna's on the other hand. . .

I just remembered. I didn't get to do this earlier for the Disney Smash discussion. Here's a basic roster of what I'd call the "essentials" if it were limited to 12 characters.

NO GASTON?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Again, infinite PK Thunder would help, too.

There were many instances where I would try to recover, and not long after the PK Thunder traveling out, an opponent would use a projectile to cancel it out so I execute my recovery. Even CPUs can do it purely through chance. I'd appreciate being able to try it again instead of just falling to my death because that makes the most logical sense, particularly considering PK Thunder isn't a recovery move in-and-of-itself, its an attack.

PK Flash has no purpose. It is the worst move in smash.

Well not necessarily. Now that I think about it, using it in a FFA match can be funny if everyone else is preoccupied and you are off to the side. But yeah, I wouldn't feel very comfortable using it one-on-one, and even if I did, there's probably better options in those situations anyhow. Like, if you just tap B it goes above you and activates and it can sometimes hit someone straight above you I think, but why wouldn't I just do something else instead?

Heck, maybe teleporting should just be Ness' new up B. At least that wouldn't get you killed at the top level of competitive play like crazy.

I don't know about that, the move has a lot of charm, at least to me. It just needs to be good.

Oh Ness/Lucas talk...sorry, but I'd like to jump in...

You main Lucas... that's awesome. I used to main him before I decided to go high tier realized I really enjoyed playing as Olimar. When we get some people to gather and play I want to see how good you do.

Yeah, I'm really not fond of PK Thunder as a recovery move. Lucas gets gimped so easily...I mean I know I'm pretty bad, but I find it a bit frustrating. Online, if there's like a lag spike when I'm recovering, just a little hiccup, I start to panic a little, and PK Thunder hits at the wrong angle, and then I go bye-bye.

When I used to play Lucas, I especially hated playing online because of how surprisingly common that experience is.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Did you know Donnel has **** max stats? http://serenesforest.net/fe13/char_max_all.html
It's true, Anna's on the other hand. . .

Hahano.
Any good FE player knows that you reclass Donnel 7 times, then he's unstopable. Add in Limit Break...
Pssh. Anna is for casuals who want a female Frederick. (Okay, not serious there..)

 

[Jaedrik]

Hahano.
Any good FE player knows that you reclass Donnel 7 times, then he's unstopable. Add in Limit Break...
Pssh. Anna is for casuals who want a female Frederick. (Okay, not serious there..)

You DO know that reclassing does NOT increase your max stats in any given class, right?
Give Limit Break to Anna, at least she can use it because she doesn't have crap maxes.
Do you even max out? I squat over 200 and bench 125 at 115. My mom tells me I have the body build of my father, which means I have really high max physical stats IRL.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

You DO know that reclassing does NOT increase your max stats in any given class, right?
Give Limit Break to Anna, at least she can use it because she doesn't have crap maxes.
Do you even max out? I squat over 200 and bench 125 at 115. My mom tells me I have the body build of my father, which means I have really high max physical stats IRL.

It doesn't raise the max stats a class can receive, but it does allow you to reach the max.

If you don't reclass you will never reach the max stats a class can get

 

[FlareHabanero]

Anna is for casuals who want a female Frederick.

Then why isn't she lusting over Chrom?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Then why isn't she lusting over Chrom?

She doesn't produce any children by herself.

Any other female would be better

 

[FlareHabanero]

The joke was that Fredrick has a hard on for Chrom, so naturally a female counterpart would do the same and arguably more so.

Ah bloody hell...

 

[Jaedrik]

It doesn't raise the max stats a class can receive, but it does allow you to reach the max.
If you don't reclass you will never reach the max stats a class can get

Dude, apparently there's some huge misunderstanding here, because I play the games, I know the mechanics.
Anna's maxes are fo rizzle srsly superior.
I'm actually getting frightened, what's going on?

The joke was that Fredrick has a hard on for Chrom, so naturally a female counterpart would do the same and arguably more.

There is such a thing called Phileos. You ever read C.S. Lewis?

 

[Deleted member]

It's a shame we don't really have any French characters, because we do need more French maids on the roster. Mario and Luigi are Italian, Shulk and K. Rool are British, Pit and Palutena are Greek, and so on. If we had a French character, everything would be perfect.

Ah well, on the bright side Takamaru would make for a nice maid.

The way of the samurai is to serve other people, so you're right.

Hey if you want more people from other countries, let's fill up the Smash roster with Street Fighter characters.

Except games that will be confirmed now Sakurai has likely known about since last year. Meaning if we do get a new Starfox or F-Zero or something announced, it has a decent chance of effecting the roster. I wouldn't treat it like it's a guarantee as Zinfandel is, and if Retro is working on a new IP, I doubt the character will be playable, but a new Starfox/F-Zero/etc. announced next week would definitely help Krystal/Goroh/etc's chances.

Remember that Sakurai decides the roster early on. Unless he has heard of the game before February, 2012 (roster was very likely decided by then for the most part), it's not going to do any good unless he wants to add Krystal/Goroh/Black Shadow as a last-minute character.

 

[Bowserlick]

Lucas doesn't play anything like Ness. All of his tilts, aerials, and grab-related moves are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. His down B, forward B, and neutral B all are totally different, and his PK Thunder (up B) uses nearly entirely different animations, and has a totally different effect. The only two moves they have that look or act alike (Ness and Lucas) are the forward Smash (which act very differently), the up B (which I mention use some different animations and are totally different in effect), and the Final Smash (which no one uses anymore).

Seriously, Mario and Kirby share the same 5 aerials; that's more moves than Ness and Lucas share.

We should sooner get rid of Luigi, Toon Link, Ganondorf, Kirby, King Dedede, Falco, and Wolf first, because they are more clones than Lucas is.

You are going crazy. Take a deep breath. Lay off the soder pop.

I am not calling them clones. I know that Lucas as many different animations. But I do not see what he adds to the game. Ness as a very unique style of play which includes his crazy Up B recovery and physic jumps. Lucas shares these qualities.

I say, either change his specials as well or give him different movements, or both, or give certain qualities of his to Ness and cut him.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Then why isn't she lusting over Chrom?

Umm.. Because.. she.. I dunno.

You DO know that reclassing does NOT increase your max stats in any given class, right?
Give Limit Break to Anna, at least she can use it because she doesn't have crap maxes.
Do you even max out? I squat over 200 and bench 125 at 115. My mom tells me I have the body build of my father, which means I have really high max physical stats IRL.

Like Psycho said.
I give Limit Break to units I actually USE, sorry.
And yes, I max out my units. So far I've maxed out Chrom, Owain, Inigo, Donnel, Kjelle, Nah, Lon'qu, Olivia, Cynthia, and Lucina. All have reclassed at least twice. Out of those, Lucina, Cynthia, Olivia, Inigo, Kjlelle, Owain, and Nah have Galeforce, all have either Sol, Lethality, Luna, or Astra. Some have all four.
As well, I'm currently training Severa, Laurent, Gerome, Walhart, Emmeryn, Frederick, Noire, and Lissa.

But IRL Im a wimpy loser nerd. Dont hurt me.

 

[Johnknight1]

Being able to use PK Thunder infinite times... make it happen Sakurai!!!

Well not necessarily. Now that I think about it, using it in a FFA match can be funny if everyone else is preoccupied and you are off to the side. But yeah, I wouldn't feel very comfortable using it one-on-one, and even if I did, there's probably better options in those situations anyhow. Like, if you just tap B it goes above you and activates and it can sometimes hit someone straight above you I think, but why wouldn't I just do something else instead?

Even in FFA's, just use the bat, a PK Thunder 1 (where you launch yourself), or either yo-yo smash attack instead. Now if PK Flash had way more range, and took away like 70% of shields, then I'd spam the heck out of that move in FFA's. But as it stands, it doesn't, and therefore, it is useless.

I don't know about that, the move has a lot of charm, at least to me. It just needs to be good.

It does, but Ness doesn't even use PK Thunder in EarthBound from what I remember. I think Lucas uses it in MOTHER 3 though, so thus it makes sense. Then again, neither of them use PK Starstorm in either game, and Ness doesn't use PK Fire, so... whatever.

 

[lobotheduck21]

What would be a good street fighter character to counter Donatello

 

[FlareHabanero]

The way of the samurai is to serve other people, so you're right.

Serving tea is a sacred art passed down by the Biki tribe at the peak of Mount Fuji. A simple mortal cannot handle a sacred art, it's a task that takes rigorous discipline and focus for many generations to harness. The tea is the ultimate weapon that can change the tide of wars, but it's also a sacred treasure that rids the body of demons.

 

[Johnknight1]

You are going crazy. Take a deep breath. Lay off the soder pop.

1. If by soder pop you mean soda, then I haven't had a drop of that crap since it killed my liver 10 years ago.
2. I'm always calm and in control.
3. I am the best in the world baby, and you don't get to tell the best to take a rest, or else you will get pounded in the chest.

I am not calling them clones. I know that Lucas as many different animations. But I do not see what he adds to the game. Ness as a very unique style of play which includes his crazy Up B recovery and physic jumps. Lucas shares these qualities.

Lucas plays uniquely, despite a very small few similar moves to Ness. Again, if you watch gameplay, you will notice they are completely different. If you control them in any matches, you will notice they feel completely different. Wolf and Falco still feel remotely fairly similar, and still have some similar traits that are very noticeable. With Ness and Lucas, recovery and Final Smash aside, it's very hard to notice any real similarities.

I say, either change his specials as well or give him different movements, or both, or give certain qualities of his to Ness and cut him.

It would be more work to remove him that to keep him. Also, that's a fairly poor reason to cut a character. Both of them already have 2 different special attacks (side B and neutral B), 1 mostly different special attack (no re-used animations) (down B), and 1 special attack that uses only a few borrowed frames, but acts fairly differently (up B).

If this is your argument, then why not cut Dedede and Kirby=??? They have a fairly similar up in terms of effect, a fairly similar neutral B, a worthless down B, and they both use hammers.

Or why not Luigi=??? He's literally almost the same as Mario. Or heck, Ganondorf, who has minimal unique qualities in Brawl.

And besides that, cutting Lucas wouldn't accomplish anything. It's not like adding a new character is just as easy in terms of hours of work, money spent, and resources used as reusing most of the frames and damage data from one game and transferring to another, especially when said character was popular and added something fresh to the series (I can't say that for say Pit and ROB, whose users only really camp), as well as having a sky high potential.

 

[Jaedrik]

Like Psycho said.
I give Limit Break to units I actually USE, sorry. As well, I'm currently training Severa, Laurent, Gerome, Walhart, Emmeryn, Frederick, Noire, and Lissa.
But IRL Im a wimpy loser nerd. Dont hurt me.

Walhart is my favorite, and yeah, Frederick has bad growths
Anna. . .
If only she had more supports. . . Oh did you see her support with Tiki? Hilarious.
But hey, at least you get to see her everywhere else in the game

Lifting is all about technique. Like anything. Everything is all about technique. I'm serious. I mean, I just learned how to do one of the hardest lifts: Hang Clean, and did it perfectly for my finals.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I'm crazy muscular irl.

I say, either change his specials as well or give him different movements, or both, or give certain qualities of his to Ness and cut him.

Oh my goodness he just said it again. He is tryin' to take my Lucas away from me!

Even in FFA's, just use the bat, a PK Thunder 1 (where you launch yourself), or either yo-yo smash attack instead. Now if PK Flash had way more range, and took away like 70% of shields, then I'd spam the heck out of that move in FFA's. But as it stands, it doesn't, and therefore, it is useless.

Yeah, I'd prefer if they just made it more useful as opposed to outright changing it.

It does, but Ness doesn't even use PK Thunder in EarthBound from what I remember. I think Lucas uses it in MOTHER 3 though, so thus it makes sense. Then again, neither of them use PK Starstorm in either game, and Ness doesn't use PK Fire, so... whatever.

Oh.. I didn't know that. That's really eye opening in that it reveals Sakurai is willing to erroneously give moves for characters just so they have them (not counting moves that are somewhat made up to begin with). Not sure how I feel about that.

 

[LaniusShrike]

I mean, Ness doesn't use any of his specials except for PK Flash in Earthbound... It's just that Ness had really weird psi abilities in his game, they were super vague as to what they actually did. PK Flash was actually primarily a status effect spell, not a damaging attack. He actually had a lot of things that either inflicted or cured status ailments... kind of a pity they didn't incorporate Earthbound's weird effects into Smash.

Also, kind of a pity that they made his Final Smash yet another attack that he didn't have...

 

[Croph]

You main Lucas... that's awesome. I used to main him before I decided to go high tier realized I really enjoyed playing as Olimar. When we get some people to gather and play I want to see how good you do.

Oh, I'm not the best Embarrass haha. But I do like practising and learning about the metagame. I really ought to go to a tournament one day...sounds like fun.

I'm not sure how many people want to do the Brawl, but it'd be nice if we could gather some people...but I kinda have a problem...

My Wii works fine but it's just not reading game discs. Has it reached the end of its life?

When I used to play Lucas, I especially hated playing online because of how surprisingly common that experience is.

Oh man. I thought it was just me experiencing that problem haha. Lag spikes also disrupts the "flow" when I play Marth for me. Weird...

 

[FlareHabanero]

My Wii works fine but it's just not reading game discs.

The disk lens inside might be getting dirty, or possibly damaged. If it's the former, you might need to clean it out. If it's the latter, you'll need to ether fix the lens or replace the Wii.

 

[Jaedrik]

Not too surprisingly, a lot of characters in Smash use things from their series that they never used in their games. Take the FE characters, and your aforementioned Mother characters, for example, artistic license makes some characters great and cool.
Another reason why Anna would be a cool choice, she can believably get away with far more than the other contenders for dat FE slot (which I doubt is only going to be one.)

 

[LaniusShrike]

I'd argue that your Wii not reading game discs means it isn't working fine. It probably has reached the end of its life, assuming you've tried out a fair number of games and they all don't work.

... huh, I never played Lucas online. That would be seriously difficult. I ended up just playing Ike because the delay was so great that giant arcing swings worked much better than any actual tactic. I mostly started playing Lucas because his Smash attacks are so effective against Meta Knight, one of my best friend's mains. I used to main ROB because I had so much fun with the angled specials and quick grabs, but ultimately his crappy standards made me too sad to continue.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Oh, I'm not the best Embarrass haha. But I do like practising and learning about the metagame. I really ought to go to a tournament one day...sounds like fun.

No worries, you'd most certainly be better than myself. I'm not knowledgeable of the metagame and I haven't practiced in... well I don't know how long. These days if I go back and play at all its to just mess around for a bit. I think like once in an anime convention tournament that was of a pretty decent size, using Olimar, I almost placed high enough to get a little bit of money (after losing to a good Marth by accidentally killing myself once or twice ). Never did I get anywhere close to doing as well as that at any other point in time while playing..

I'm not sure how many people want to do the Brawl, but it'd be nice if we could gather some people...but I kinda have a problem...

I think we had Moon Monkey, Manly, you and me expressing agreement to it, which is enough for either a FFA or 2v2.

My Wii works fine but it's just not reading game discs. Has it reached the end of its life?

Yikes. My original Wii, that I got on day one, sometimes errors on games, especially Brawl. And it is also very loud. Good ol' not-so-reliable.

 

[Croph]

The disk lens inside might be getting dirty, or possibly damaged. If it's the former, you might need to clean it out. If it's the latter, you'll need to ether fix the lens or replace the Wii.

Hm, okay. I'll do some research on different ways to clean the it. And hopefully I just need to clean (the last thing I want to do is to take apart my Wii).

Anyway, I kinda wished that Lucas has a rhythm based Special or Final Smash to reference the rhythm based battle system in Mother 3.

Ah, speaking of Mother 3 and rhythms, just a vid before I hit the hay (I listen to this before I go to bed every night):

 

[Johnknight1]

Oh my goodness he just said it again. He is tryin' to take my Lucas away from me!

For no real good reason, either.

Yeah, I'd prefer if they just made it more useful as opposed to outright changing it.

Infinite PK Thunder.

Oh.. I didn't know that. That's really eye opening in that it reveals Sakurai is willing to erroneously give moves for characters just so they have them (not counting moves that are somewhat made up to begin with). Not sure how I feel about that.

The only PK move Ness uses in Smash that he uses in EarthBound is PK Flash and PK Shield.

Also, kind of a pity that they made his Final Smash yet another attack that he didn't have...

Ness should have used that super PK move he uses, and Lucas should use some super form of PK Love or that super PK move he uses. It also would have been sweet if say Ness summoned Paula and they used a super PK team attack, and Lucas and Kumatara/Claus did a team PK attack as well.

 

[Croph]

No worries, you'd most certainly be better than myself. I'm not knowledgeable of the metagame and I haven't practiced in... well I don't know how long. These days if I go back and play at all its to just mess around for a bit. I think like once in an anime convention tournament that was of a pretty decent size, using Olimar, I almost placed high enough to get a little bit of money (after losing to a good Marth by accidentally killing myself once or twice ). Never did I get anywhere close to doing as well as that at any other point in time while playing..

It's okay, I haven't practiced in awhile too. But seriously, I get too nervous sometimes when I'm playing online, then of course I make mistakes. But that's one thing I need to improve on. I don't even know how will I handle a real life tournament. But the experience seems like fun, especially if you like playing Smash.

I think we had Moon Monkey, Manly, you and me expressing agreement to it, which is enough for either a FFA or 2v2.

That's good. Well, whenever you guys want to do it, perhaps you can hit me up and I'll see what I can do (hopefully I can fix my Wii by then).

 

[Hoots]

No worries, you'd most certainly be better than myself. I'm not knowledgeable of the metagame and I haven't practiced in... well I don't know how long. These days if I go back and play at all its to just mess around for a bit. I think like once in an anime convention tournament that was of a pretty decent size, using Olimar, I almost placed high enough to get a little bit of money (after losing to a good Marth by accidentally killing myself once or twice ). Never did I get anywhere close to doing as well as that at any other point in time while playing..



I think we had Moon Monkey, Manly, you and me expressing agreement to it, which is enough for either a FFA or 2v2.



Yikes. My original Wii, that I got on day one, sometimes errors on games, especially Brawl. And it is also very loud. Good ol' not-so-reliable.

Maybe we should all wait for Smash 4 and good online before we have a tournament.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

and the potential removal of characters like Lucas and Toon Link

 

[Johnknight1]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'd rather we cut Meta Knight and Pit. Those were the two characters I hate playing against the most in Brawl, because people who played them camped, stalled, and planked like it was no one's business.

Maybe we should all wait for Smash 4 and good online before we have a tournament.

Or you all should just come to my house for you to get your butts kicked by THE BEST IN THE WORLD!!!!!

 

[Hoots]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'd rather we cut Meta Knight and Pit. Those were the two characters I hate playing against the most in Brawl, because people who played them camped, stalled, and planked like it was no one's business.

Or you all should just come to my house for you to get your butts kicked by THE BEST IN THE WORLD!!!!!

Cut em all, I don't care. As long as Diddy and Wario are legal, I'm good.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I just want ROB and D3 to return

 

[Johnknight1]

Cut em all, I don't care. As long as Diddy and Wario are legal, I'm good.

I think they'd be the 2 best characters to cut, but they won't be. Fortunately for them and us, they're easy to fix. Both need to be less camper friendly, Pit needs more useful aerials and special attacks, and Meta Knight needs to have less strength, knockback, and his tornado needs less priority.

Also, both need to lose their abilities to plank, and planking as a whole needs to freaking die already.

Lastly, I was (mostly) be sarcastic to you guys. It's fun being Silly.

 

[Oasis_S]

Johnknight more like YAWNknight.

Like a soft J for a Softie like yourself.

Yerk.

 

[Deleted member]

You DO know that reclassing does NOT increase your max stats in any given class, right?
Give Limit Break to Anna, at least she can use it because she doesn't have crap maxes.
Do you even max out? I squat over 200 and bench 125 at 115. My mom tells me I have the body build of my father, which means I have really high max physical stats IRL.

>Do you even max out?

Do you?

I just got back in the Gym this last week and a I warmed up with 200 after 6 months of no training, and I ain't big.

If I remember correctly, my max PRs last year were: OHP-155lbs, Bench-245lbs, Squat-335lbs, Dlift- 395lbs.

Still, 200 is pretty impressive for someone weighing 115lbs. You gotta put on more weight on that bar if you wanna get stronger though. If you ain't pushing yourself to your limits every time you train, you're not doing yourself much good. You gotta be on the verge of puking out of exhaustion, that's how you know you've had a good workout. Oh, you should also eat more, put on some mass, otherwise you might hurt yourself, 115lbs is very slim for a man. PM me and I'll give you some tips.


@Johnny boi...

Well, youjustgot****tasteisall...

>not liking Pirates 4 for the banter between Jack and Barboussa.

Also, Pirates 3 had Keith Freaking Richards play Jack's dad!! How could anyone hate a movie that does that?
I do agree that 2 was pretty meh though.

 

[Big-Cat]

NO GASTON?

Do you even lift?

I was trying to go for a "serious" roster. I was actually tempted to toss in a lot more characters from the 90's, but I thought that would be unfair.

Though Pocahontas would probably be an awesome alternate take on Rachel with her Colors of the Wind. I wish I could find the Disney Princess Fighter thread on 4Chan, but it's gone now which is too bad. It was hilarious.

 

[Moon Monkey]

The joke was that Fredrick has a hard on for Chrom, so naturally a female counterpart would do the same and arguably more so.

Ah bloody hell...

 

[Fatmanonice]

 

[FlareHabanero]