Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Big-Cat]

 

[Dark Phazon]

This thread will have 415+ pages of Bull* FE talk before June 11th...

 

[LaniusShrike]

The classy FE color combo is Green+Purple.

@Kuma: Yeah, sure, Natsu has pink hair... but wouldn't it be cooler if he had BLUE HAIR? And wielded a SWORD?​

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He wishes he was a lord.

 

[FlareHabanero]

This thread will have 415+ pages of Bull* FE talk before June 11th...

 

[Dark Phazon]

Not mad just a mix of suprised and annoyed hmmmm maybe thats what mad is?

 

[Platsy]

This thread will have 415+ pages of Bull* FE talk before June 11th...

I'm really hoping that Marth and Ike are still the only FE reps just to make these entire debates pointless. These are the "my dad is better than yours" arguments of Smash.

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[Fastblade5035]

The classy FE color combo is Green+Purple.

No, the classy FE color is BLUE! BLUE EVERYWHERE!!! HAHAHAHAAHA

 

[Dark Phazon]

I'm really hoping that Marth and Ike are still the only FE reps just to make these entire debates pointless. These are the "my dad is better than yours" arguments of Smash.

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Why dont they just do what that other guy once said....just mix/mutate all the FE Forkerz into one dirty ambomination monster char so every1 is happy.

Gotta have Tharja's ass though YUM!

 

[Platsy]

Why dont they just do what that other guy once said....just mix/mutate all the FE Forkerz into one dirty ambomination monster char so every1 is happy.

That other guy was me...

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Gotta have Tharja's *** though YUM!

You clearly didn't see when someone posted this then.

Spoiler

 

[FlareHabanero]

just mix/mutate all the FE Forkerz into one dirty ambomination monster char so every1 is happy.

Gotta have Tharja's *** though YUM!

 

[LaniusShrike]

Maybe the most manly hair color is... purple?

Presented here: Two characters that nobody recognizes or cares about.

 

[Big-Cat]

I just remembered. I didn't get to do this earlier for the Disney Smash discussion. Here's a basic roster of what I'd call the "essentials" if it were limited to 12 characters.

Spoiler

1. Mickey - All Around
2. Donald - Rushdown
3. Goofy - Defensive, play it safe, with hilarious mixups
4. Pete - Grappler
5. Pinocchio - Pokes
6. Bambi (Child) - Setups and Mobility
7. Simba - Opportunistic rushdown, sort of a playing with food until the moment strikes for high risk, high rewards attacks.
8. Mulan - Stances between parry based moveset (think Anji) and Toolbox
9. Aladdin - Toolbox (think Link) with aerial mobility options
10. Beast - Powerhouse with mobility mode (think bears in Tekken)
11. Peter Pan - Aerial oriented with pressure
12. Woody - Zoner

 

[Croph]

That, and pink hair on a guy would look kind of odd. Maybe on a girl, but that has been beaten to death already.

<-- He'd like a word with you. I don't see anything odd with a pink haired man.

Because the guys at Intelligent Systems are secretly part of the Happy Happyism cult and want to coat everything in blue.

Ah, so they're apart of the Happy Happyism cult...that makes sense.

Maybe the most manly hair color is... purple?

Spoiler

Presented here: Two characters that nobody recognizes or cares about.

Hey it's Goose! Err...Groose? Grease was it?

 

[Dark Phazon]

Another pick of me doing my Brock run in Soul Silver xD got my geodude ! Hes holding that everstone like a reallll G got a Onix too! And a Shudowoodo!

(damn this team sucks...(-_-)

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Eh, what? Brock run?

 

[Dark Phazon]

Eh, what? Brock run?

XD yh im going through the game as Brock! He alwayz used to amuse me to no end in the anime.

Im scared when i actually get to Pewter City and fight the evil clone of me in the gym...imposter must die.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

XD yh im going through the game as Brock! He alwayz used to amuse me to no end in the anime.

Im scared when i actually get to Pewter City and fight the evil clone of me in the gym...imposter must die.

hack or something?

 

[FlareHabanero]

He'd like a word with you. I don't see anything odd with a pink haired man.

Your opinion, so I can't really argue with that like it was a fact.

 

[Dark Phazon]

hack or something?

No you have to catch all 100 Geodudes in alphebetical order then have Brock black you out in Pewter Gym to unlock him. XD yes a hack. Im using all his pokes too.

Zubat
Onix
Geodude
Shudowoodo
Vulpix

There the ones i got atm. Hehehe Misty is gonna **** me up....

 

[8-peacock-8]

Spoiler

 

[FlareHabanero]

Yup, that's a Mach Rider.

 

[LaniusShrike]

<-- He'd like a word with you. I don't see anything odd with a pink haired man.

Hey it's Goose! Err...Groose? Grease was it?

Geese and his brother... Grits? Geist? Something like that. Goats! No... Right, Geitz.

Who's the dude in your avatar? Also, who's the dude in 8-peacock's avatar?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Bet that guy sits on the OTHER side of the rainbow...

 

[Croph]

I was just going to say...I haven't played HG/SS, but I didn't think Brock would be playable (but I've always it would be cool in a Pokemon game if you are able to become a gym leader/member of Team Rocket or whatever).

I always liked Brock in the early seasons of Pokemon. I've found that the beginning sagas had a lot of adult humour. Well, I'm not sure how to put it, but the humour like in the original season was more wittier than compared to the new seasons (particularly D&P and B/W). Imo, the newer seasons just feels more childish (I know the show is aimed at kids, but it feels different than back then). Dunno, maybe it's just me...

 

[Johnknight1]

Thinking about it you weren't that far off, I forgot about how long it was in the original! Makes me want to go start up my VC Smash right now to play it. I love PK Thunder, making it more viable would be much appreciated by me.

Again, infinite PK Thunder would help, too.

Hmmm yeah that's practically never used by me, even against things as predictable as CPUs.

PK Flash has no purpose. It is the worst move in smash.

Ness/Lucas' recovery is high risk and decent reward, and it requires a bit of skill to get right. And when you look at the God-like recovery of R.O.B and Pit. it seems like they should have a bit more of a buff, but no that much.

They are insane risk/minimal reward. Seriously, the Firefox goes farther, and unlike the PK Thunder (in Ness' case), it can't be blocked, and on top of that, it's hard to hit. On top of that, the highest reward is you do maybe 25% and less knockback than hitting someone with Ness' bat. That's not a gigantic reward. A gigantic reward would be 30% and kill at 80% on the average stage.

also, there's literally no reason Ness can't just go 3 times as far with the same move or use it infinitely. Seriously, THE KID CAN TELEPORT!!! Heck, maybe teleporting should just be Ness' new up B. At least that wouldn't get you killed at the top level of competitive play like crazy.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Este juego parece muy estúpido.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Spoiler

I always liked Brock in the early seasons of Pokemon. I've found that the beginning sagas had a lot of adult humour. Well, I'm not sure how to put it, but the humour like in the original season was more wittier than compared to the new seasons (particularly D&P and B/W). Imo, the newer seasons just feels more childish (I know the show is aimed at kids, but it feels different than back then). Dunno, maybe it's just me...

I feel like Ash loses thousands of brain cells each time he goes to a new region.

 

[Croph]

Who's the dude in your avatar? Also, who's the dude in 8-peacock's avatar?

Spoiler

Shinon. The pic is from some FE doujinshi. Actually, most of my avatars come from manga that I'm reading or have read.

Another reason why Shinon is awesome:

But I'm not sure about 8-peacock's. Though it does look familiar...

 

[8-peacock-8]

EDIT: My avtar is an animu. She trolls her sisters and lets one of them get gutted because she's a lazy perverted b****.

 

[Johnknight1]

I don't think Lucas adds that much to the game. Either allow Ness to absorb some of the better attributes and take Lucas out, or give Lucas different specials and maybe different jumps.

Lucas doesn't play anything like Ness. All of his tilts, aerials, and grab-related moves are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. His down B, forward B, and neutral B all are totally different, and his PK Thunder (up B) uses nearly entirely different animations, and has a totally different effect. The only two moves they have that look or act alike (Ness and Lucas) are the forward Smash (which act very differently), the up B (which I mention use some different animations and are totally different in effect), and the Final Smash (which no one uses anymore).

Seriously, Mario and Kirby share the same 5 aerials; that's more moves than Ness and Lucas share.

We should sooner get rid of Luigi, Toon Link, Ganondorf, Kirby, King Dedede, Falco, and Wolf first, because they are more clones than Lucas is.

I somewhat like Ness' Forward B, but yeah those two really needs better specials

I like PK Fire too, but it needs to not go at a downward angle (in the air or on the ground), and it needs to be at least a little bit useful.

And if they are too lazy at least make the sex variation of Pikachu with the heart shaped tail for females. Or! They can make a shiny version that leaves a sparkle trail as it moves.

I've never thought of sex variants of Pokémon, but that's a brilliant idea. I'd also love to see the shiny versions of Pokémon, too.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Again, infinite PK Thunder would help, too.

PK Flash has no purpose. It is the worst move in smash.

They are insane risk/minimal reward. Seriously, the Firefox goes farther, and unlike the PK Thunder (in Ness' case), it can't be blocked, and on top of that, it's hard to hit. On top of that, the highest reward is you do maybe 25% and less knockback than hitting someone with Ness' bat. That's not a gigantic reward. A gigantic reward would be 30% and kill at 80% on the average stage.

also, there's literally no reason Ness can't just go 3 times as far with the same move or use it infinitely. Seriously, THE KID CAN TELEPORT!!! Heck, maybe teleporting should just be Ness' new up B. At least that wouldn't get you killed at the top level of competitive play like crazy.

Well, PK Flash has purpose on certain levels of play... it'd more accurate to say that it has very little usage in competitive gameplay. I, for one, love using well-timed PK Flash/Freezes to kill recovering enemies. It's super satisfying knowing that my friends can see a giant ball of explosive green energy slowly sauntering towards them.

Somebody proposed that Ness's recovery be changed to teleport and have it be charged up automatically while Ness runs on the stage (since, in his original game you'd only be able to teleport if you found a straight stretch of land to run on first). I kind of like that... have it be a fairly low ranged TP by default but become the longest recovery in the game if it essentially hasn't been used for awhile.

That being said... I also wish you could just infinitely use the lightning, just put him in freefall after the recovery move itself has been used.

Edit: For the record, Ness and Lucas definitely are very different gameplay-wise. I absolutely hate playing as Ness but I love playing as Lucas.

@peacock: An animu... huh, okay. I didn't actually realize it was a girl, I was thinking about it in terms of the pink-haired dude conversation. She looks pretty pervy.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Yup, that's a Mach Rider.

Mach Riders should totally enter the next F-Zero. He's fast and isn't afraid of nothin.

 

[Johnknight1]

Hey, the French ain't cowards. Enough with the stereotypes!

Nope, it's just that's only 22% of them, and they can't show the other 78% of themselves because that the percent of them that got taxed.

I think the reason why they aren't a lot of Canadians characters is cuz they're busy at home chopping wood, being gruff lumberjacks and all.

Like Wolverine and (the Yu-gi-oh Abridged Version of) Bandit Keith.

>not wanting Jack Sparrow

He's literally the best character in the best franchise Disney has spit out in years. Speaking of which, Pirates 5 is in the works.

Pirates 2 and 3 were meh (way too flimsy of a plot, and way too many parts with nothing happened), and 4 sucked (I loved the first 20 minutes, hated the rest of it).

 

[Croph]

Oh Ness/Lucas talk...sorry, but I'd like to jump in...

PK Flash has no purpose. It is the worst move in smash.

Really? I mean I rarely use the move...I'm not too fond of how slow it is. But I know for Lucas, I like to use PK Freeze to kinda pressure the opponent, like force air dodges. I believe if the opponent is at low percent, you can link multiple PK Freezes together, as in if the opponent just escaped, you can re-freeze him again, if timed right.

They are insane risk/minimal reward. Seriously, the Firefox goes farther, and unlike the PK Thunder (in Ness' case), it can't be blocked, and on top of that, it's hard to hit. On top of that, the highest reward is you do maybe 25% and less knockback than hitting someone with Ness' bat. That's not a gigantic reward. A gigantic reward would be 30% and kill at 80% on the average stage.

Yeah, I'm really not fond of PK Thunder as a recovery move. Lucas gets gimped so easily...I mean I know I'm pretty bad, but I find it a bit frustrating. Online, if there's like a lag spike when I'm recovering, just a little hiccup, I start to panic a little, and PK Thunder hits at the wrong angle, and then I go bye-bye.

 

[Johnknight1]

Well, PK Flash has purpose on certain levels of play... it'd more accurate to say that it has very little usage in competitive gameplay.

Exactly, and there's ways to fix it: making it go longer, allowing infinite uses, and/or just giving Ness a tether recovery.

I, for one, love using well-timed PK Flash/Freezes to kill recovering enemies. It's super satisfying knowing that my friends can see a giant ball of explosive green energy slowly sauntering towards them.

Does that even work in competitive Brawl, because I know it doesn't work in competitive Melee. Trust me, I tried it out as a sandbag move in a lot of friendlies.

Somebody proposed that Ness's recovery be changed to teleport and have it be charged up automatically while Ness runs on the stage (since, in his original game you'd only be able to teleport if you found a straight stretch of land to run on first). I kind of like that... have it be a fairly low ranged TP by default but become the longest recovery in the game if it essentially hasn't been used for awhile.

It would be fun to use, and it would totally make sense. Lucas could keep PK Thunder (his is better anyways), and that way, they would only have really one move that uses the same animation (the forward smash), and a few moves that act similarly (the other 3 B moves).

That being said... I also wish you could just infinitely use the lightning, just put him in freefall after the recovery move itself has been used.

This would save Ness and Lucas so much grief, and would be totally awesome. I don't get why so many people rule out infinite recoveries. Maybe it's the lack of spikes in Brawl, or the fact that Ganondorf and Captain Falcon got their infinite second jump taken away in Brawl (which btw was a terrible decision, and whoever did that should never come close to a smash bros game again).

Edit: For the record, Ness and Lucas definitely are very different gameplay-wise. I absolutely hate playing as Ness but I love playing as Lucas.

Ness and Lucas are about as different as Mario and Kirby.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Ness and Lucas are about as different as Mario and Kirby.

That's kinda stretching it.
I'd say they're as different as Falco and Wolf. Semi-clones with similar B moves but unique A moves.

Yup, that's a Mach Rider.

There's more than one?

 

[Johnknight1]

That's kinda stretching it.
I'd say they're as different as Falco and Wolf. Semi-clones.

Mario and Kirby have more moves with the same animations (at least 5) as each other than Ness and Lucas do. And if it wasn't for Ness and Lucas' failure at knockback frames, they would play totally different.

Really? I mean I rarely use the move...I'm not too fond of how slow it is. But I know for Lucas, I like to use PK Freeze to kinda pressure the opponent, like force air dodges. I believe if the opponent is at low percent, you can link multiple PK Freezes together, as in if the opponent just escaped, you can re-freeze him again, if timed right.

I said PK Flash! And also, I was kinda sorta more referring to Melee anyways.

Yeah, I'm really not fond of PK Thunder as a recovery move. Lucas gets gimped so easily...I mean I know I'm pretty bad, but I find it a bit frustrating. Online, if there's like a lag spike when I'm recovering, just a little hiccup, I start to panic a little, and PK Thunder hits at the wrong angle, and then I go bye-bye.

Well at least with Lucas you have a tether recovery. With Ness (who I use in each smash game), he has nothing.

Red is the opposite of blue. God damn we didn't get PokemonOrange and Blue versions, we got Pokemon Red and Blue versions. The opposite of orange would be purple.

We still need a orange and purple version, and then have the "3rd version" be the rainbow version. Then, we're done with the color wheel, and we can go all out on the numbers, letters, and gang signs with our Pokémon version names... remakes aside, of course!

 

[FlareHabanero]

There's more than one?

Mach Rider is everyone and no one simultaneously.

 

[Johnknight1]

As of recent times, though, things have been changing a little. I kind of hated that when I was on 7th/8th grades, I was the only one with a GameCube and people claimed that PS2 was the best and Nintendo only had games 'for kids like Mario and Pokémon'.

American kids said that to me too. I told them to piss off, and go play their baby auto aim games like Halo 2 with their weak friends (doing the co-op on easy) while I play Metroid Prime 1 and 2 and Resident Evil 4 on extreme difficulties.

I also then proceeding to become the undisputed heavyweight that's a lightweight champ of my peers after that.