Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Admiral Pit]

Has anybody seen this?
Sakurai talks about balance here.

At the moment, Bowser is very strong. He’s really strong. Fans of Smash Bros. probably never saw him as too much of a strong character, but this time, his ability to knock others out is very strong!”

- Bowser’s Smash attacks, special attacks, and aerial attacks now have quite the ability to send opponents flying through the air
- The best part about this is that it feels great
- This great feeling is what Sakurai would like to focus on for the upcoming Smash Bros. games
- He’s putting more care into that part of the game than ever
- Sakurai says having strong attacks are also something that must be carefully balanced
- This is because it may feel unfair to opponents if they’re too overpowered
- In order to meet the right standards, Sakurai and the rest of the development team have been spending a lot of time adjusting stronger attacks to see what works best


Aww, it woulda been nice to see Bowser be powerful for once before the balance. After the last 2 games of being one of the worst characters, Bowser may actually be truly buffed. Anyways, so looking forward to the balance.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Bowsers really shaping up to be the Zangief of smash, He seems to have quite a bit of moves that seemed inspired by him too.

I would love to see the heavies become a threat in the competitive scene.

 

[Louie G.]

Bowsers really shaping up to be the Zangief of smash, He seems to have quite a bit of moves that seemed inspired by him too.

I would love to see the heavies become a threat in the competitive scene.

Well Dedede was pretty good, right?
But I agree, heavyweights becoming threats in competitions would be great. And since quite a few possible newcomers are heavyweights, it's a possibility.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Well Dedede was pretty good, right?
But I agree, heavyweights becoming threats in competitions would be great. And since quite a few possible newcomers are heavyweights, it's a possibility.

I believe so, Dedede was pretty decent

 

[FlareHabanero]

Bowser better be buffed so we can see plenty of drop kicks in the future.

 

[Big-Cat]

Bowsers really shaping up to be the Zangief of smash, He seems to have quite a bit of moves that seemed inspired by him too.

I would love to see the heavies become a threat in the competitive scene.

Don't forget that Rosalina's FSmash looks an awful lot like Chun-Li's HP Kikouken.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Don't forget that Rosalina's FSmash looks an awful lot like Chun-Li's HP Kikouken.

Lol, it really does!
I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai goes with a Vega approach with Metaknight, making his mask and sword being able to come off in battle.

 

[Big-Cat]

Lol, it really does!
I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai goes with a Vega approach with Metaknight, making his mask and sword being able to come off in battle.

Not the sword, but definitely the mask.

Meanwhile, we get Zero Suit Cammy.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Not the sword, but definitely the mask.

Meanwhile, we get Zero Suit Cammy.

For sure!

Fox - Fei Long
DK- Balrog
Ganondorf - Akuma (He ain't that good ) maybe Oni

The connections are definitely there.

 

[Big-Cat]

Fox reminds me of Hwoarang. Marth is more Fei Long with a sword.

Ganondorf is definitely Oni.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Better balance brings in more hype. Can't wait to see how a nerfed Meta Knight turns out.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well, I guess that's why they have miss fit

She can balance on a board

 

[augustoflores]

Smash 4 better be the most Hype thing about 2014

HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE

 

[~automatic]

I would love to see the heavies become a threat in the competitive scene.

Snake and Wario were top 5 on Brawl's tier list for a while iIrc.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Snake and Wario were top 5 on Brawl's tier list for a while iIrc.

I believe they still are, well Snake at least. I'm not all too sure about Wario.

While both of those characters were both technically heavies, they were pretty nimble on the field. I meant sluggish tank-sized heavy characters like Bowser, Charizard, DDD and Donkey Kong.

 

[FalKoopa]

Snake and Wario were top 5 on Brawl's tier list for a while iIrc.

Speaking of Snake, why on earth was he heavier than Dedede and Charizard?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Even with all that heavy gear Snake carries I still wonder why he was made heavier than Dedede and Charizard of all characters. I suppose Dedede might have the excuse of being able to puff up and float, but it still doesn't make much sense.

 

[mimgrim]

Speaking of Snake, why on earth was he heavier than Dedede and Charizard?

Probably because he carried around so many heavy weapons. I mean really, a bazooka, missile launcher, mines, grenades, and other heavy machinery that I don't know the name of. It's totally plausible for him to be heavier then them.

 

[UNKN{OWN}iXi]

Even with all that heavy gear Snake carries I still wonder why he was made heavier than Dedede and Charizard of all characters. I suppose Dedede might have the excuse of being able to puff up and float, but it still doesn't make much sense.

Charizard can fly.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Speaking of Snake, why on earth was he heavier than Dedede and Charizard?

Why is Yoshi heavier than Mario and Luigi? This is what I fail to understand

 

[Ruthy]

Speaking of Snake, why on earth was he heavier than Dedede and Charizard?

Because he's carrying so much junk on him.

 

[IsmaR]

AFAIK Dedede is supposed to be Pikachu-sized/is made of blubber while Charizard's canon weight is less than 200 lbs. Perfectly plausible for a man of Snake's stature to be heavier than that, with or without heavy gear weighing him down.

 

[FalKoopa]

Why is Yoshi heavier than Mario and Luigi? This is what I fail to understand

Why not? Yoshi does have a larger body size than Mario or Luigi, if only a little bit.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

It's fine that Snake weights more than Charizard, but how does he weight more than Samus? Thin as she may be, that power suit's got to weight a lot. Heck, he also weights more than R.O.B, who's a giant piece of steel. Wouldn't Ike, Marth or Link technically weight as much as Snake too? At least they have armor and swords.

But eh, it's a video game, and for some reason they probably felt it was necessary in order to balance him, even if he'd be plenty good being a bit below Samus in weight.

 

[Big-Cat]

Well, I guess that's why they have miss fit

She can balance on a board

She'll be the most balanced character in the game.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Because he's carrying so much junk on him.

Spoiler

 

[mimgrim]

It's fine that Snake weights more than Charizard, but how does he weight more than Samus? Thin as she may be, that power suit's got to weight a lot. Heck, he also weights more than R.O.B, who's a giant piece of steel. Wouldn't Ike, Marth or Link technically weight as much as Snake too? At least they have armor and swords.

But eh, it's a video game, and for some reason they probably felt it was necessary in order to balance him, even if he'd be plenty good being a bit below Samus in weight.

Samus and ROB, I dunno on them.

Marth and Ike and Link though? Nah. Their armor is relatively light so it doesn't bog them down as much. Then Marth's Falchion is more akin to a rapier which is again a rather light sword meant for more fluid combat then a regular sword. Now Ike's Ragnell? yea that's a pretty heavy and big weapon, and it can weigh him down a bit. But a single Bazooka is at least the same weight as Ragnell if not heavier ontop of the other weapons Snake carries. Link does carry a lot of item and a shield, but the items are pretty light compared to Snake's machinery and the shield is basically in the same situation as Ragnell.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Samus and ROB, I dunno on them.

Marth and Ike and Link though? Nah. Their armor is relatively light so it doesn't bog them down as much. Then Marth's Falchion is more akin to a rapier which is again a rather light sword meant for more fluid combat then a regular sword. Now Ike's Ragnell? yea that's a pretty heavy and big weapon, and it can weigh him down a bit. But a single Bazooka is at least the same weight as Ragnell if not heavier ontop of the other weapons Snake carries. Link does carry a lot of item and a shield, but the items are pretty light compared to Snake's machinery and the shield is basically in the same situation as Ragnell.

The fact that Snake's weaponry isn't visible at all times kind of gives the illusion that he should be much lighter though. It's not as much bringing the others up to his level as it is bringing Snake down to their levels. I mean, if items that we can't currently see are counted, then Villager is going to be kind of heavy with all of his fireworks and what not. I think weight should be measured in terms of what's visible in the character's standard pose, otherwise it feels deceiving.

 

[mimgrim]

The fact that Snake's weaponry isn't visible at all times kind of gives the illusion that he should be much lighter though. It's not as much bringing the others up to his level as it is bringing Snake down to their levels. I mean, if items that we can't currently see are counted, then Villager is going to be kind of heavy with all of his fireworks and what not. I think weight should be measured in terms of what's visible in the character's standard pose, otherwise it feels deceiving.

I actually think Villager will end up being more of a heavier character then a lighter character in all honesty. I think it would fit Villager better.

 

[Superyoshiom]

She'll be the most balanced character in the game.

Ba Dum Tsh!

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Charizard weighs 199 pounds. Taking a normal weight adult like Snake and adding tons of gear on him would make him heavier than Charizard, most likely.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Villager would be midweight, Miss Fit would be lightweight, and Mega Man would obviously be midheavy.

On a side note, Sega should take my ****ing money for having Ryo Hazuki back in action after checking their Facebook page.

 

[~automatic]

Zamus weighs as much as Pikachu.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Charizard weighs 199 pounds. Taking a normal weight adult like Snake and adding tons of gear on him would make him heavier than Charizard, most likely.

He's got a rocket launcher on him. I'm sure his gear weighs him a lot more than Charizard

 

[Blaziken]

Mewtwo is one of the lightest characters in Melee, despite being 269 pounds. He weighs as much as Roy and Young Link, who probably don't weigh that much.

 

[Smashiny]

Well weight of the real characters doesn't really matter at all, as Sakurai puts it, the characters are just toys in the smash universe

 

[~automatic]

^ Yeah. Doesn't anyone remember the Melee and 64 intro movies?

 

[andalsoandy]

Why is Yoshi heavier than Mario and Luigi? This is what I fail to understand

Yoshi is a dinosaur.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Weight is more treated as a form of balance, with weight commonly used to counter balance strengths and weaknesses. Though, in the end, falling speed is actually more important then weight, because knowing the falling speed of characters allows you to determine which actions will work. For example, Marth's and Roy's up throw can be used for chain grabbing characters with high falling speed like Fox and Captain Falcon, while for those with poor falling speed like Jigglypuff it can used as an option for KOing.

 

[Knight Dude]

Why is Yoshi heavier than Mario and Luigi? This is what I fail to understand

He needs to be strong enough to carry Mario or Luigi doesn't he? Maybe Yoshi has a lot of muscle. He does carry fat plumbers around the Mushroom Kingdom a lot.