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While I'm not Swampasaur, I'll just say that DK is obviously older than FE. And if you look at it, Nintendo Land doesn't even feature Pokémon...POKÉMON! Only first party titles are in Nintendo Land. It's like with Animal Crossing when you only see items from first party titles, while items from Pokémon or others aren't in. And FYI, in a poll held by a guy with the username Gonzales, Marth won in the most used and mained in both Melee and Brawl. Plus he was one of the most requested characters for Melee.
You've already said some very well thought out things.
From Wikipedia:
I was too busy looking at the barrage of jabs to fire emblem. Deity is coming out strong and fast with no sign of letting up!
We're going to be in for a treat, wouldn't you agree Dis?
EDIT: Oooooooo, Divine approaches with a gut punch to the Pokemon fan base.
For the record, FE13 also sold 180,000 units in NA in it's first month of sales. So even if we take your "242,600 units in the first week in Japan" thing as accurate, your original claim(just over 200k sales) is wrong.
Oooh but did you see Swamps come back with a definition of marketable! Lets get an instant replay on that:
Instant Replay said:
welcome back lob-- da faq is dat avatar....i miss your duck one.
Looks like the refs have to step in!
I guess nobody knows Yoshi either then.
And they're fantastic
Not only are my red replies from the same page, but you didn't include Europe in any of them.From Wikipedia:
Sales of Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryū to Hikari no Tsurugi were flat for the first two months of sales... but improved after word of mouth spread. Same page.
Fire Emblem sold over 345,000 units in Japan and 331,000 units in North America
Sacred Stones did much less It was still received very positively. And it was rereleased on the 3DS.
Path of Radiance sold over 156,000 units in Japan as of December 31, 2006 What about North America?
Radiant Dawn: 78,000 sales Where was this information? I can't find it on the page.
Shadow Dragon: The game sold 250,000 copies in North America. What about JAPAN?
Awakening: The game sold 242,600 units in its first week of sales in Japan Again, you're not including North America.
Looks like your wrong.
Or Wario.
Can you blame them? The crowd is so hyped they can barely contain themselves! We had near forty folks fly out to see this fight and so far they have not been disappointed!
It starts....
Position: Both Fire Emblem AND Mother are beloved and popular franchises in Japan and in the west (mostly Japan) and they are important parts of Nintendo history.
Argument :Fire Emblem is a marketable.
You serious? Awakening just came out and it was a major release in the west! It sold a ton of copies! Not to mention FE7 which sold lots of copies as well it barely made 200,000 copies, which isn't considered all that much when you compare video game sales to other games with FE8, FE9, FE10 selling decently in the west as well. More like lukewarm - some of them BARELY cracked the 100,000 list, which is considered a BOMB in video game indutires FE11 sold badly, but hey one fluke is fine. Ignoring evidence against Fire Emblem? Fine... Every series has its flukes. Even great ones like Mairo, Zelda and Smash Bros. Really? And that is just talking about the west. In Japan, it's HUGE!!! More popular than Metroid, Starfox and F-Zero there. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!Sure, sure it is. So, you're actually saying that Fire Emblem IS MORE POPULAR than Metroid, DK, and Starfox. Now you'll probably say Kid Icarus or Pikmin are even less popular than Fire Emblem.
Let me get this straight through your head - Japan is not the be-all end-all market of the video gaming world. THE UNITED STATES IS. Hell, even Europe and Canda.Japan is a very small country with no as many people living in it as the other CONTINENTS I just mentioned. If anything, it's the United States that is the most important when it comes to sales. Otherwise, by your logic, apparently Metroid and DK should be cancelled now, with only Fire Emblem replacing them as video game titles. Japan is important, don't get e wrong, but not nearly as enough as the US.
Marth got into Melee because of popularity and requests. He only got in as a favor byt he creators of Fire Emblem by Sakurai. Nothing more. Show me those requests then, if they are even real. He was included with the likes of Bowser, Peach and Mewtwo because he was a popular character that topped polls that Sakurai used to pick characters.When Sakurai chose newcomers in Melee, he had three methods.
A. Popular requests, AKA the poll (
B. Characters he thought would be a good surprise (
C. Last minute clones. (
Marth was a popular character. Popular enough to rank with Bowser, Peach and Mewtwo. How can a character from an unpopular series rank that high? He's only poopular BECAUSE of Smash - NOT because he is from Fire Emblem. There is a difference.
And mind you, this is before he got into Smash so his popularity wasn't boosted that way. The series and it's characters has a great amount of star power. On par with other Nintendo greats such as Samus, Fox and Captain Falcon, if not surpassing some of them. WHAT?! HAHAHA!!!Seriously? The series is certainly well liked by a lot of people. And why is it well liked by a lot of people? Because people enjoyed the games. Not as many people as you think there are.
Fire Emblem is a popular and successful series. It's a money maker and a popular one at that. To say it isn't marketable is foolish. To clear something up...
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Here is the definition of marketable. Fire Emblem certainly fits this.It sells quite a bit and makes money too. You're mising my point.
"the fish are perfectly marketable"
So.. what your saying is that if a game can sell, maybe if they're lucky, a few 100,000 copies, they're suddenly on the same level as DK and Metroid. Wow...
How is it not marketable?
Well there's my rebuttal.
This is gonna be interesting.
EDIT: Aw darn. He already wrote something? I though I was supposed to reply.
Ah well. I'll get to his reply....
Who's Yoshi? Is he some kind of Duck?
It's a Jeli from viva pinata
Where did you get your sources?* When Fire Emblem was first released, DECADES AGO, it was released only in Japan. That is ALREADY a bad sign. Considering Japan's history of having only Japanese games being either very, very good (TMNT), or very, very bad (Transformers), it doens't help Fire Emblem's chances when it wasn't even considered marketable enough to be released in the United States. THAT'S where the money is, in the Unitted States, where it has the greatest video game marketing in the world, where it's particular audience and console economy is hugely important to the financial success of Nintendo's games. That's where all the big titles get released, Like Mario and Zelda. So why wasn't Fire Emblem considered marketable enough to appeal to an American audience? Culture difference. Or just hard difficulty. Japanese didn't give us hard games for quite some time. And that includes Mario games as well. Super Mario Bros 2 wasn't released here because it was deemed "too hard for Americans." Fire Emblem is a LOT harder than Mario.
* During this decade, various RPG's were sweeping Nintendo consoles. Namely, Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Dragon Quest, SMRPG, and yes, even EARTHBOUND. Think about this - Fire Emblem NEVER saw a North American release at this time, in an era were various RPGs were being released at the same time. Why not? This was as perfect as any time to do so. Because FE isn't quite an RPG. It's a strategy game. It's a different kind of game entirely. There was no proof a strategy game like that would be successful there.
* When Fire Emblem was FINALLY released to North America, it was only because a certain Masahiro Sakurai decided to add the cult classic character of Marth and Roy into the extremely popular SSB series. Had it not been for Sakurai, Fire Emblem would have NEVER seen an overseas release. Only BECAUSE of Sakurai's particular fondness for the series, rather than Nintendo's, but ONLY SAKURAI'S particular fondness allowed Fire Emblem to be made known to the world. If it wasn't for Sakurai, the series would likely be dead now. Same could be said for Metroid, Kid Icarus and F-Zero. Besides, once it got here, it took off.
* Fire Emblem sales have never been the greatest, if even respectably good. Fire Emblem 7 did decent sales, and is considered the best game, while Fire Emblem 8 did poorly and di not liveup to expectation. Fire Emblem 9 and 10, however, are considered the WORST SALES in Nintendo's history of long-running series games. Oh really? They only broke at a measly 200,000 unites together. TOGETHER, they only sold at 200,000. That's pretty low standards when compared to Kirby or Donkey Kong, who make millions per game, and they are maybe even YOUNGER than Fire Emblem is. Where did you get your sources exactly? I wanna see this.
When Fire Emblem Awakening came out, it sold the best in the entire series - at over 200,000.Pfft! I know that's not right. Where's the source? At is embarrassing. Kid Icarus, which was also a dead series like Fire Emblem only to be brought back by Sakurai, did millions, and theree were only SO FEW GAMES BEFORE PREVIOUSLY. Fire Emblem had 13, they had 13 chances to break the millions sale - they never did. Again. Where are your sources?
*Fire Emblem was actually ALMOST CANCELLED by Nintendo due to HORRIBLE low-expectation sales from the past Fire Emblem games. If it wasn't for Awakening fdoing better than any of the other titels (and even then that's not saying much AT ALL),then the series would be history. Yeah. But guess what. It sold well. And it didn't end.
* Nintendo Land never showcased Fire Emblem. They showcased Takamaru and Balloon Fighter, but not Fire Emblem. Think about that. If Nintendo doesn't have all that much faith within Fire Emblem to beshowcased along side the likes of Mario and Samus, then Fire Emblem may truly no be as important as people may think it is. Kirby, Starfox, and Pokemon aren't important then? Besides they do show up together, in smash.
* Fire Emblem is not a household name to casual players of Nintendo. If we are talking about Smash, then Mario, DK, Pikachu, Link, Samus, Pit Wait... Wut? Since when is Pit a household name?, and others are more recognizable. Marth, though? Nobody knows him. The series is relatively small-scaled and almost cult-like in its niche. Going back to SSB, if Sakurai found them to be marketable enough, why wasn't Marth showcased at E3 in the SSB4? Because he wasn't well-known enough like the other cast to make it in. Oh hey! I kinda addressed this.
* Almost every Nintendo title, from Mario to Capt. Falcon, has been on a top 100 list of greatest games of all time, ranging from IGN to GameInformer to GameStop. Fire Emblem, though? Only on Famitsu, which isn't credible anyways because of its Japanese bias. It's a Japanese company. It compares Japanese made games (like Mario and Zelda) to other Japanses games. How is that bias? With that said, Fire Emblem isn't even considered a game worth playing among the likes of Mario, DK, and Pikachu - even Capt. Falcon and NESS.
Now that I posted my arguments to be replied to, you have to post yours so I can reply to it. That's the rules.
These are some of my major arguments against the illogical idea that Fire Emblem series is important to Nintendo's history, both financially and historically. If anybody possess the brain power to intellectually think for themselves, they would see why Fire Emblem isn't important to Nintendo AT ALL. That is the TRUTH.
What about me?
Right you Dis, Right you are!
Welcome back you probably already know but put you up to speed
I'll be back with a response in 10 minutes... I have to go get something. I'll be back.What about me?
