Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[TheDivineDeity]

Here we go.....

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THE DEBATE TOPIC
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*****Is the Fire Emblem Series Important to Nintendo History?*****

My position: Not only is it NOT important to Nintendo history, it is in fact irrelevant and useless.

Argument: Fire Emblem is not very marketable for Nintendo.

Let's start with this.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Is this better?

Nope. Still small as heck.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Nope. Still small as heck.

Well find me a bigger picture of a Goddess/Ashera Icon from Fire Emblem and I'll post that.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'm a fan of Fire Emblem, but I don't think it's up to the same level as other Nintendo games

 

[KingofPhantoms]

What the hell is going on?

Pretty much the same that happens everytime Divine posts on an active thread.

Now join us and get some popcorn and a drink.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Nope. Still small as heck.

Do ANY of these fit your liking?

Spoiler

 

[Curious Villager]

Is this better?

It is TOO SMALL!

hurr hurr

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Do ANY of these fit your liking?

Spoiler

Yes. I can tell what all of them are.

 

[Oasis_S]

It's Mano a Mano, and I don't know what you were trying to say after that. lol I can't wait to see this.

Mano y mano is better.

 

[MexM]

It is TOO SMALL!

(hurr hurr)

That's what she said.

 

[kikaru]

Pretty much the same that happens everytime Divine posts on an active thread.

Now join us and get some popcorn and a drink.

Except it'll be a sandwich and apple pie. No seriously, I'm making my dinner while watching this and skyping with friends.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

It is TOO SMALL!

So Goddess Icons are the Anti-Ridley?

Yes. I can tell what all of them are.

UGH FINE

http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Goddess_Icon

THE JOKE WAS THAT HE ASKED FOR LUCK, AND I GAVE HIM AN ITEM THAT BOOSTED LUCK

HAPPY?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I wondered how much this is going to gross at the box office.

I'm sure critics will give it positive reviews though.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Mano y mano is better.

Great, now suddenly there is urges to make tuna sandwiches. With mayonnaise and spicy brown mustard. **** you I like spicy brown mustard.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Swamp it is your move.

I want to see this play out.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Swamp it is your move.

inb4 it's past his bedtime and Divine declares a victory

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

So Goddess Icons are the Anti-Ridley?

UGH FINE

http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Goddess_Icon

THE JOKE WAS THAT HE ASKED FOR LUCK, AND I GAVE HIM AN ITEM THAT BOOSTED LUCK

HAPPY?

Does this look happy to you?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

This thread ain't big enough fer the two of em...

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Does this look happy to you?

That image alone is pure Nightmare Fuel. *shudders*

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Does this look happy to you?

yes

Now be a good boy and hush for the debate

or go play FE7x

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

or go play FE7x

I've never played Fire Emblem, honestly.

Okay, I'll shush for the time being.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

For the thousands in attendance, and the millions watching at home lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllets geeeet ready to debaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate

 

[YoshiSonic]

 

[augustoflores]

oh my! i feel like i just snuck into the ball game without the ticket! thanks for the heads ups. dis gon b gud!
*steals popcorn*

 

[Robert of Normandy]

snip

OH I GET IT NOW YOUR SIG HAS YOSHI AND SONIC IN IT AND YOUR NAME IS YOSHISONIC

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Swamp is probably writing something at this moment...

Understandable that it may take a while, but, I can barely...stay..awa....

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz...

 

[TheDivineDeity]

* When Fire Emblem was first released, DECADES AGO, it was released only in Japan. That is ALREADY a bad sign. Considering Japan's history of having only Japanese games being either very, very good (TMNT), or very, very bad (Transformers), it doens't help Fire Emblem's chances when it wasn't even considered marketable enough to be released in the United States. THAT'S where the money is, in the Unitted States, where it has the greatest video game marketing in the world, where it's particular audience and console economy is hugely important to the financial success of Nintendo's games. That's where all the big titles get released, Like Mario and Zelda. So why wasn't Fire Emblem considered marketable enough to appeal to an American audience?

* During this decade, various RPG's were sweeping Nintendo consoles. Namely, Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Dragon Quest, SMRPG, and yes, even EARTHBOUND. Think about this - Fire Emblem NEVER saw a North American release at this time, in an era were various RPGs were being released at the same time. Why not? This was as perfect as any time to do so.

* When Fire Emblem was FINALLY released to North America, it was only because a certain Masahiro Sakurai decided to add the cult classic character of Marth and Roy into the extremely popular SSB series. Had it not been for Sakurai, Fire Emblem would have NEVER seen an overseas release. Only BECAUSE of Sakurai's particular fondness for the series, rather than Nintendo's, but ONLY SAKURAI'S particular fondness allowed Fire Emblem to be made known to the world. If it wasn't for Sakurai, the series would likely be dead now.

* Fire Emblem sales have never been the greatest, if even respectably good. Fire Emblem 7 did decent sales, and is considered the best game, while Fire Emblem 8 did poorly and di not liveup to expectation. Fire Emblem 9 and 10, however, are considered the WORST SALES in Nintendo's history of long-running series games. They only broke at a measly 200,000 unites together. TOGETHER, they only sold at 200,000. That's pretty low standards when compared to Kirby or Donkey Kong, who make millions per game, and they are maybe even YOUNGER than Fire Emblem is.

When Fire Emblem Awakening came out, it sold the best in the entire series - at over 200,000. At is embarrassing. Kid Icarus, which was also a dead series like Fire Emblem only to be brought back by Sakurai, did millions, and theree were only SO FEW GAMES BEFORE PREVIOUSLY. Fire Emblem had 13, they had 13 chances to break the millions sale - they never did.

*Fire Emblem was actually ALMOST CANCELLED by Nintendo due to HORRIBLE low-expectation sales from the past Fire Emblem games. If it wasn't for Awakening fdoing better than any of the other titels (and even then that's not saying much AT ALL),then the series would be history.

* Nintendo Land never showcased Fire Emblem. They showcased Takamaru and Balloon Fighter, but not Fire Emblem. Think about that. If Nintendo doesn't have all that much faith within Fire Emblem to beshowcased along side the likes of Mario and Samus, then Fire Emblem may truly no be as important as people may think it is.

* Fire Emblem is not a household name to casual players of Nintendo. If we are talking about Smash, then Mario, DK, Pikachu, Link, Samus, Pit, and others are more recognizable. Marth, though? Nobody knows him. The series is relatively small-scaled and almost cult-like in its niche. Going back to SSB, if Sakurai found them to be marketable enough, why wasn't Marth showcased at E3 in the SSB4? Because he wasn't well-known enough like the other cast to make it in.

* Almost every Nintendo title, from Mario to Capt. Falcon, has been on a top 100 list of greatest games of all time, ranging from IGN to GameInformer to GameStop. Fire Emblem, though? Only on Famitsu, which isn't credible anyways because of its Japanese bias. With that said, Fire Emblem isn't even considered a game worth playing among the likes of Mario, DK, and Pikachu - even Capt. Falcon and NESS.



Now that I posted my arguments to be replied to, you have to post yours so I can reply to it. That's the rules.

These are some of my major arguments against the illogical idea that Fire Emblem series is important to Nintendo's history, both financially and historically. If anybody possess the brain power to intellectually think for themselves, they would see why Fire Emblem isn't important to Nintendo AT ALL. That is the TRUTH.

 

[Moon Monkey]

For the thousands in attendance, and the millions watching at home lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllets geeeet ready to debaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate

We're going to be in for a treat, wouldn't you agree Dis?

EDIT: Oooooooo, Divine approaches with a gut punch to the Pokemon fan base.

 

[YoshiSonic]

OH I GET IT NOW YOUR SIG HAS YOSHI AND SONIC IN IT AND YOUR NAME IS YOSHISONIC

I give you 10 internets

 

[Khoru]

* Nintendo Land never showcased Fire Emblem. They showcased Takamaru and Balloon Fighter, but not Fire Emblem. Think about that. If Nintendo doesn't have all that much faith within Fire Emblem to beshowcased along side the likes of Mario and Samus, then Fire Emblem may truly no be as important as people may think it is.

i guess pokemon isn't important guys

 

[SirGalvan]

On a Smash topic(don't get me wrong Devine is keeping me entertained)


I'm hoping Roll makes it in as Megamans assist trophy I also wouldn't mind Dr Wily

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Well, Divine is using a lot of words and paragraphs, so he's already a better debater than I assumed he would be.

You know what... fine. We'll do this here. Right here, right now. The most epic battle in Smashboards history - gods battling against gods.

Divine is the Smashboards god of....what?
Swampasaur is the Smashboards god of....what?

All I know is that I'm the Smashboards god of Racism and I'm just watching this while eating my dinner stew at my computer desk.

Also, question to the mods:
The Mother/Fire Emblem debate is relevant to the thread, because it's about if they're important enough to be in Smash...right?

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[Metal Overlord]

i guess pokemon isn't important guys

the **** is pokemon

 

[Robert of Normandy]

OOOH LOOK

SALES FIGURES

WHICH ARE WRONG

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

i guess pokemon isn't important guys

Or Kirby, for that matter.

Also, just real quick, Deity, by that logic, Star Fox matters even less. At least they're not just re-hashing FE7 over and over.

 

[The Real Gamer]

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Back to mah Hidden Village music.

Even the Bulblins from it decided to come around the boards to see this.

(yeah, I've been playing Twilight Princess a lot lately)

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Only on Famitsu, which isn't credible anyways because of its Japanese bias.

lolwut

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Here we go.....

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THE DEBATE TOPIC
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*****Is the Fire Emblem Series Important to Nintendo History?*****

My position: Not only is it NOT important to Nintendo history, it is in fact irrelevant and useless.

Argument: Fire Emblem is not very marketable for Nintendo.

Let's start with this.

It starts....

Position: Both Fire Emblem AND Mother are beloved and popular franchises in Japan and in the west (mostly Japan) and they are important parts of Nintendo history.

Argument :Fire Emblem is a marketable.

You serious? Awakening just came out and it was a major release in the west! It sold a ton of copies! Not to mention FE7 which sold lots of copies as well with FE8, FE9, FE10 selling decently in the west as well. FE11 sold badly, but hey one fluke is fine. Every series has its flukes. Even great ones like Mairo, Zelda and Smash Bros. And that is just talking about the west. In Japan, it's HUGE!!! More popular than Metroid, Starfox and F-Zero there. Sales wise, it is certainly a success. If it's not marketable, why do they sell well, and why does Nintendo still make them? It's because they are successful. It's no mega money producer like Mario or Pokemon but it is certainly profitable.

Marth got into Melee because of popularity and requests. He was included with the likes of Bowser, Peach and Mewtwo because he was a popular character that topped polls that Sakurai used to pick characters.When Sakurai chose newcomers in Melee, he had three methods.
A. Popular requests, AKA the poll ( )
B. Characters he thought would be a good surprise ( )
C. Last minute clones. ( )

Marth was a popular character. Popular enough to rank with Bowser, Peach and Mewtwo. How can a character from an unpopular series rank that high?

And mind you, this is before he got into Smash so his popularity wasn't boosted that way. The series and it's characters has a great amount of star power. On par with other Nintendo greats such as Samus, Fox and Captain Falcon, if not surpassing some of them. The series is certainly well liked by a lot of people. And why is it well liked by a lot of people? Because people enjoyed the games.

Fire Emblem is a popular and successful series. It's a money maker and a popular one at that. To say it isn't marketable is foolish. To clear something up...
mar·ket·a·ble
ˈmärkitəbəl
adjective

1. 1.​
   able or fit to be sold or marketed.
   
   "the fish are perfectly marketable"

Here is the definition of marketable. Fire Emblem certainly fits this.It sells quite a bit and makes money too.

How is it not marketable?


Well there's my rebuttal.
This is gonna be interesting.

EDIT: Aw darn. He already wrote something? I though I was supposed to reply.

Ah well. I'll get to his reply....

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Swamp be prepared for more false sales numbers and that the "Japanese audience doesn't count" or some rubbish like that.