Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[KingofPhantoms]

There has still been no deconfirmation that any of the Pikmin 3 protagonists are in Smash 4, so you can't really make this point until we know for sure.

Though we don't know yet, I have to say I think Pikmin is better off with just Olimar.

 

[kackamee]

Though we don't know yet, I have to say I think Pikmin is better off with just Olimar.

I think Pokemon is better off without Jigglypuff but ): ):
And I think another Pikmin rep would be kinda cool if they had a unique moveset.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Still no commentary on DLC in fighting games, or about the 3DS's limitations in regards to DLC?

I would even buy Dr. Mario and Pichu if they were DLC.

One thing Injustice did that pretty much eliminates the whole "but what if you deal with someone that already downloaded the DLC and you did not" is to store the data for DLC characters onto a patch that is required for everyone to download (or at least anyone that is connected to the internet).

However, considering how behind the times Japanese developers are, I am not confident Sakurai and his team would think of this even if the 3DS was not hindered by limitations in regards to DLC.

Well, Mystery Dungeon and FE have DLC, so the 3DS can obviously have it.

The real question is will they.

 

[kackamee]

I really don't want DLC. I like the philosophy of not having DLC because there doesn't need to be.
The only DLC I wouldn't mind is balance patches.

 

[ChronoBound]

Well, Mystery Dungeon and FE have DLC, so the 3DS can obviously have it.

The real question is will they.

The DLC characters for FE13 were pretty much re-shaded generic units with unique character portraits, which does not take up much space. The DLC stages for NSMB2 could have pretty much been made with a stage creator had one existed in that game, and used no new assets, at least from what I have seen.

I am talking about examples of DLC on the 3DS that used entirely new assets that were not in the game.

 

[ChronoBound]

I really don't want DLC. I like the philosophy of not having DLC because there doesn't need to be.
The only DLC I wouldn't mind is balance patches.

I want DLC because it at least gives us a chance to get back characters that could not make the cut due to time constraints. I am sure a lot of people feel the same way too.

 

[Demna]

Lucario has a new Mega Form and Jigglypuff is now a fairy type

Gonna read more into that after I sleep, thanks for the heads up.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Well here's som information you know the argument about mewtwos new form foR down B or final

smash well new information came in and the result are in mewtwo is 1 of 6 of the pokemon to be

introduce with a new type of evolution called mega evolutions and so far what I read about them

they are temporary evolution forms witch explains mewtwo reverting back to normal most of the

time in the movie how it works they evolve themselfs or holding some item they turn into mega

form when a battle begins and they revert back after the battle and in the movie mewtwo reverts

back to normal after the battle or major emergency ends

So if mewtwos confirmed we will use him in normal form and his final smash will be his new form

 

[greenluigiman2]

I'm curious as I never heard anything about this yet before but what's people's stance on "Marth, Roy, Chrom", shortly put?

Now let's just lament that Ike's cut. But we get Roy in return (maybe semi-cloned or his own character).

*Falaflamed*

Even if Roy returned, which I don't think should or will happen, he wouldn't replace Ike. Ike has a lot more going for him.

 

[Johnknight1]

No character has ever replaced any other character in Smash, sans Sonic possibly replacing Mewtwo (and maybe Roy and possibly even Doc, too).

I really don't want DLC. I like the philosophy of not having DLC because there doesn't need to be.
The only DLC I wouldn't mind is balance patches.

If we had DLC in Brawl, we could have had all of the Forbidden Seven, tons of Smash 64 and Melee stages, the Tabuu stage as playable in multiplayer, the various Subspace area stages as multiplayer stages, the Subspace Arena as a multiplayer stage, the Wi-fi Waiting room as a playable multiplayer stage, online SSE, online all of the stadium modes (or more than 2 players), actual fixes to the absolutely craptastic online,

Also, not all DLC is paid DLC.

Besides, it is not like anyone is forcing you to get DLC. If you don't want it, don't buy and/or download it. However, don't tell others they can't have it.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

No character has ever replaced any other character in Smash, sans Sonic possibly replacing Mewtwo (and maybe Roy and possibly even Doc, too).

Sonic possibly replacing Mewtwo?

May I just ask HOW?

 

[Salty the SLUG]

If we had DLC in Brawl, we could have had all of the Forbidden Seven, tons of Smash 64 and Melee stages, the Tabuu stage as playable in multiplayer, the various Subspace area stages as multiplayer stages, the Subspace Arena as a multiplayer stage, the Wi-fi Waiting room as a playable multiplayer stage, online SSE, online all of the stadium modes (or more than 2 players), actual fixes to the absolutely craptastic online,

Also, not all DLC is paid DLC.

Besides, it is not like anyone is forcing you to get DLC. If you don't want it, don't buy and/or download it. However, don't tell others they can't have it.

Besides, DLC is not really in Nintendo's repertoire. It may even be better for them to give us the full game instead of half-fasting it and putting their hands in our pockets, fishing for our wallets.

 

[ChronoBound]

Even if Roy returned, which I don't think should or will happen, he wouldn't replace Ike. Ike has a lot more going for him.

Roy has to be perhaps among the most underrated characters in regards to their chances for Smash 4 (the only other character I see as underrated as Roy is maybe Dixie Kong).

Sakurai has a strong tendency to revisit characters that he was unable to implement in the previous Smash Bros. game, and we even see this pattern continue with Smash 4 with the Villager being one of the first newcomers included. Couple this also with the very strong demand Roy has going for him as well as Sakurai's strong lamentations about cutting characters, and I think its foolish to discount that Roy at least is among one of his planned characters for Smash 4 (which means that time constraints again would be his primary concern).

Secondly, having both Ike and Chrom would be pretty redundant. It would be better to have some other character with entirely different ablities and appearance if you HAD to have a playable FE13 character such as the My Unit/Avatar or possibly Anna.

 

[Baskerville]

"Forbidden Seven" is such a stupid name.

 

[Johnknight1]

Besides, DLC is not really in Nintendo's repertoire. It may even be better for them to give us the full game instead of half-fasting it and putting their hands in our pockets, fishing for our wallets.

Tell that to Fire Emblem: Awakening, Pokémon since Diamond and Pearl, and every Animal Crossing game since Wild World.

Also, DLC does not automatically make a game half-finished. GTA IV and Skyrim both had DLC, and both games were verrrrrry complete.

But hey, if you want to think every DLC is what Capcom has done for a select few games, then whatever; live in your little box man. A little box where Valve doesn't make games infinitely better with DLC, developers let fans edit their game and create mods, and where the fans are happier because of all that.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

"Forbidden Seven" is such a stupid name.

I never understood why they're "forbidden".

 

[Salty the SLUG]

Tell that to Fire Emblem: Awakening, Pokémon since Diamond and Pearl, and every Animal Crossing game since Wild World.

Also, DLC does not automatically make a game half-finished. GTA IV and Skyrim both had DLC, and both games were verrrrrry complete.

But hey, if you want to think every DLC is what Capcom has done for a select few games, then whatever; live in your little box man.

What the- No, I do not think like that. Some companies give you only 75% of the game, while the rest is just DLC on the disc. I did not see any "DLC" in any of the Pokemon games, actually.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I never understood why they're "forbidden".

They're less playable through hacking than the Bosses/Other characters. None have completely files.

Also, because they naturally cause tons of drama when brought up, often a Forbidden topic.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

What the- No, I do not think like that. Some companies give you only 75% of the game, while the rest is just DLC on the disc. I did not see any "DLC" in any of the Pokemon games, actually.

Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity.

Nintendo wouldn't pull that "on-disc DLC" garbage.

 

[Johnknight1]

Sonic possibly replacing Mewtwo?

May I just ask HOW?

Sonic was the last character added in Brawl (added in 2007, whereas everyone was in back in 2005), and Mewtwo and Roy are the most complete characters, so... yeah. That happened

But hey, since people here are against DLC, I guess not getting DLC Roy and Mewtwo in Brawl is a good thing to them, right=???

Man, if Roy and Mewtwo had been DLC... Brawl would have been so good. I still think Brawl should have been delayed until August to fix the crappy online, add Mewtwo and Roy to the playable character roster, make Ridley an Assist Trophy (along with keeping him as a boss), giving Falco an Arwing, make the gameplay not so Brawsly and fixing all of the awful frame date issue crap, add more classic stages, allow DLC compatibility (for more classic stages), make items more balanced, and actually balance the game to where one character doesn't control the meta-game competitively.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

They're less playable through hacking than the Bosses/Other characters. None have completely files.

Also, because they naturally cause tons of drama when brought up, often a Forbidden topic.

Makes sense.

Now let's the keep the topic NOT forbidden now.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity.

Nintendo wouldn't pull that "on-disc DLC" garbage.

I guess it depends what you consider to be "DLC". Although I didn't play that game, what was wrong with it?

 

[greenluigiman2]

Secondly, having both Ike and Chrom would be pretty redundant..

In my roster (The roster in my head, I haven't actually posted it) the Fire Emblem characters consist of Marth (To rep the first game in the series), Micaiah (To rep the most recent console game. Also a non-male, non-sword user) and Chrom (To represent the most recent and most successful game). I liked Roy for Melee and Ike for Brawl, but I don't really think either should return. Marth, Micaiah and Chrom would be ideal for me.

 

[ChronoBound]

(To represent the most recent and most successful game).

FE3 and FE4 both sold more than FE13 did, and FE7 sold better than FE13 did in the West and had similar acclaim.

 

[Johnknight1]

What the- No, I do not think like that. Some companies give you only 75% of the game, while the rest is just DLC on the disc. I did not see any "DLC" in any of the Pokemon games, actually.

You are describing something that has only happened a handful of times. You sound like you don't even know what DLC is, and thus, you are arguing something you are ignorant on.

All of the downloadable Pokémon passes and Pokémon are all DLC (along with patches and glitch fixes, although all of them are free.

I guess it depends what you consider to be "DLC". Although I didn't play that game, what was wrong with it?

No, that's all actual DLC. Go look it up in the dictionary, and stop arguing stuff you clearly have no knowledge of.

 

[Arcadenik]

Sonic possibly replacing Mewtwo?

May I just ask HOW?

Because when Sakurai faced time constraints, Sonic had the higher priority over Mewtwo, Roy, Dr. Mario, Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda, and Toon Sheik because he is frigging Sonic.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Secondly, having both Ike and Chrom would be pretty redundant. It would be better to have some other character with entirely different ablities and appearance if you HAD to have a playable FE13 character such as the My Unit/Avatar or possibly Anna.

Can you spare the time to explain why Ike and Chrom are redundant? I mean yeah sure they both have blue-hair and both posses the ability to do aether, but other than that they seem different to me in fighting styles and strength.

 

[greenluigiman2]

FE3 and FE4 both sold more than FE13 did, and FE7 sold better than FE13 did in the West and had similar acclaim.

That's irrelevant... FE13 is the most recent game, which is all that matters.

 

[MexM]

John is right. All those Shiny legendaries, events and recieving items for legendaries are DLC, just free.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Sonic was the last character added in Brawl (added in 2007, whereas everyone was in back in 2005), and Mewtwo and Roy are the most complete characters, so... yeah. That happened

But hey, since people here are against DLC, I guess not getting DLC Roy and Mewtwo in Brawl is a good thing to them, right=???

Man, if Roy and Mewtwo had been DLC... Brawl would have been so good. I still think Brawl should have been delayed until August to fix the crappy online, add Mewtwo and Roy to the playable character roster, make Ridley an Assist Trophy (along with keeping him as a boss), giving Falco an Arwing, make the gameplay not so Brawsly and fixing all of the awful frame date issue crap, add more classic stages, allow DLC compatibility (for more classic stages), make items more balanced, and actually balance the game to where one character doesn't control the meta-game competitively.

All things that could have been done for Brawl, but I can live without it, personally.

It'd be a shame if Mewtwo wasn't in the new game though, Roy I can live without, but it'd be great if he came back.

 

[Johnknight1]

"Time restraints" along with the Subspace Emissary, the Wii being such an inferior console, and Game fArts is everything that is wrong with Brawl.

All of those issues are now gone, sans time restraints, but even then, each smash bros. game has had more delays then that one before it, which is why I think a delay into 2015 is inevitable for at least one of these 2 forthcoming smash bros. games.

Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity.

Nintendo wouldn't pull that "on-disc DLC" garbage.

The only companies that have done it were SEGA with Sonic 3 (1/3rd of Sonic & Knuckles is on the game, but since the latter was so good, all is forgiven) and Capcom (with Street Fighter X Tekken). Other than that and blatant rip-offs (Horse Armor for $5), I have no problems with DLC, especially if it is worth all of our moneys.

 

[Arcadenik]

FE3 and FE4 both sold more than FE13 did, and FE7 sold better than FE13 did in the West and had similar acclaim.

Yes, they are all successful to varying degrees but he said recent... those games aren't recent, Awakening is.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I guess it depends what you consider to be "DLC". Although I didn't play that game, what was wrong with it?

The only problems I had with Gates to Infinity was the fact that there were almost no Pokemon from earlier generations, and that you also didn't take a personality test, you just pick a character.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

That's irrelevant... FE13 is the most recent game, which is all that matters.

Are you using the relevancy argument...?

 

[Salty the SLUG]

You are describing something that has only happened a handful of times. You sound like you don't even know what DLC is, and thus, you are arguing something you are ignorant on.

All of the downloadable Pokémon passes and Pokémon are all DLC (along with patches and glitch fixes, although all of them are free.

No, that's all actual DLC. Go look it up in the dictionary, and stop arguing stuff you clearly have no knowledge of.

You're right, I have no knowledge of what you mean, but, I am not arguing. I am guessing you take more than I do into account when talking about DLC. Also, it wouldn't kill you to be a little nicer. You see, when I think DLC, I think of characters or Maps being offered for a fee months after the game came out, almost like a "mini game" being bought.

 

[greenluigiman2]

Are you using the relevancy argument...?

Umm.... actually no, I'm not.

 

[FlareHabanero]

That's irrelevant... FE13 is the most recent game, which is all that matters.

 

[Johnknight1]

That's irrelevant... FE13 is the most recent game, which is all that matters.

 

[greenluigiman2]

You guys are completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. What you think I mean is not what I actually mean.

 

[Salty the SLUG]

The only problems I had with Gates to Infinity was the fact that there were almost no Pokemon from earlier generations, and that you also didn't take a personality test, you just pick a character.

Oh yeah, with the removal of the "personality test", it was like getting rid of a part of the game itself.