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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

Huanchi

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Congrats on 10k, I wonder if Verge can confirm anything on Isaac, since they are loz are the only consistent leakers. I no longer trust the Neogaf leak



Big time, look at daisy vs peach. Almost everything is the same. You can pretty much do the same for Isabelle
I heard that Vergeben said loz talks **** and loz said Vergeben talks ****. So well.. in my case both talk **** and the only thing i trust is currently the first neogaf leaked before he made a new account
 

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Oh hey billy.

Would isabelle work as an echo though?
It could work. Chrom having much of Roy's kit minus his up b makes me believe that Isabelle's neutral b could pull out random fruit instead of pocketing. It would reuse some animations of Villager's without making it too drastic of a change
 

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Big time, look at daisy vs peach. Almost everything is the same. You can pretty much do the same for Isabelle
But isn't isabella like a tutorial character or something? She doesn't seem like she does much in the games, so she's like Ashley in that way.


Eh, perhaps it's true.
 
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I think someone said that people on GameFAQs asked loz about Isaac, and they said that they didn't know anything about Isaac in Smash yet.
 

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At least that gaf leaker played his entire hand so we should be able to throw that one on the fake leak pyre once future reveals inevitably conflict with his claims.

I think someone said that people on GameFAQs asked loz about Isaac, and they said that they didn't know anything about Isaac in Smash yet.
Correct, loz has heard nothing of Golden Sun in Smash.

His opinion is that it's unlikely, because he's claiming newcomers will be promotion based... even though that seems almost the opposite of what's happening. Even with the echoes.
 

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At least that gaf leaker played his entire hand so we should be able to throw that one on the fake leak pyre once future reveals inevitably conflict with his claims.


Correct, loz has heard nothing of Golden Sun in Smash.

His opinion is that it's unlikely, because he's claiming newcomers will be promotion based... even though that seems almost the opposite of what's happening. Even with the echoes.
Promotion-based?

Dark Samus, Chrom, and King K. Rool aren't relevant to their franchises, so how are they promotion?

I'm guessing isaac could be promotion for his franchise by that logic?
 

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Yeah I still don't buy the gaf leaker. Sounds like another larp to me ngl. I haven't been sold on Soren yet. I guess anything's possible, I doubted Chrom and Simon for the longest time, but here we are with both playable now. We'll just have to wait and see how things play out.
 

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I heard that Vergeben said loz talks **** and loz said Vergeben talks ****. So well.. in my case both talk **** and the only thing i trust is currently the first neogaf leaked before he made a new account
Idk, Neogaf "leak" gave me more hope, but Soren would be the first non lord FE character.

But isn't isabella like a tutorial character or something? She doesn't seem like she does much in the games, so she's like Ashley in that way.


Eh, perhaps it's true.
She is the new face for AC

Her fighting does not make any sense. However, seeing her swing an axe and beat the crap out of Mario would make me smile.


At least that gaf leaker played his entire hand so we should be able to throw that one on the fake leak pyre once future reveals inevitably conflict with his claims.


Correct, loz has heard nothing of Golden Sun in Smash.

His opinion is that it's unlikely, because he's claiming newcomers will be promotion based... even though that seems almost the opposite of what's happening. Even with the echoes.
Big time, unless Nintendo is just going to be making castlevania games now.
I think Smash is less about promotion now and more about crossovers.

I mean, the 3rd party support is out the door crazy.
 

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She is the new face for AC

Her fighting does not make any sense. However, seeing her swing an axe and beat the crap out of Mario would make me smile.
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Alright. I just wasn't aware she could be a fighter.

Haha i bet we're gonna get another FE character. I just know it. Probably won't be Soren tho.
What FE character? Lyn was the biggest, and she was an assist. So who?
 

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Alright. I just wasn't aware she could be a fighter.



What FE character? Lyn was the biggest, and she was an assist. So who?
honestly, if the theme of this game is heroes vs villains then Soren being their for Ike fighting a boss black knight makes sense
 

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Like i said, that's one idea. Perhaps they could make him a character. I just don't know what they could do.



Good point. I completely forgot about SR.



I also think that question could be answered with another question.

Would "relevant" characters be safe and uninteresting?

Because, imo, the best thing about smash is it's ability to revive dead franchises, or cast the spotlight on smaller franchises. Mega Man, Little Mac, Duck Hunt Duo, Shulk, Marth, Ness, Captain Falcon, Pit have all become much more well known because of smash and their franchises benefited.
TBF I don’t think Megaman’s inclusion in Smash was what sparked MM11 but rather the overwhelming amount of support Mighty No. 9 received. Capcom saw how willing people were to throw money at a project they barely knew anything about and wanted to take advantage of that.
 

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Alright. I just wasn't aware she could be a fighter.



What FE character? Lyn was the biggest, and she was an assist. So who?
I think we tapped out for new FE characters
Only thing left is echos.

corrin will never have an echo, the whole character is unique even though they should not be in smash but I will leave my FE Fates hate at the door
Ike? The closest Lord to him is Hector, and I don't see that happening.

Robin? Celica would be a better fit. Her sword does not break but she takes dmg when she cast magic.

I love FE to pieces, If I don't get Isaac I at least have my boy roy, but I don't think we will get any other fighters.

FE 1 Marth
FE 6 Roy
FE 7 Lyn (AT)
FE 9/10 Ike and Buff Ike
FE 11 Robin. Chrom and Lucina Echos
Fe 12 Mistake Corrin

If we are going to get Black Knight as a boss, that is the only way I will see Soren in this game.
 
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honestly, if the theme of this game is heroes vs villains then Soren being their for Ike fighting a boss black knight makes sense
Soren confirmed.
But why soren?

The only leak i found relating to soren is this one.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76779532

TBF I don’t think Megaman’s inclusion in Smash was what sparked MM11 but rather the overwhelming amount of support Mighty No. 9 received. Capcom saw how willing people were to throw money at a project they barely knew anything about and wanted to take advantage of that.
OOF. MN9 is still the biggest dumpster fire i've seen.
Hey, yeah I think Isabelle could work as a Villager Echo based on what we know of Echoes from this point forwards. And she is basically the face of AC so getting her in would be perfect for Sakurai. And if she's not unique, that leaves the door open for someone else from the speculation scene.

From what I recall, Vergeben said there would be six more unique newcomers post E3.
1 - Simon
2 - K Rool
3 - Possible Gen 7 Pokemon
Then 4 through 6 could be anyone...

Like, Isaac, Geno and Skull Kid? Either way, it boosts Isaac's chances even more now there's three spaces left (Assuming Verge's Gen 7 source is correct) instead of two due to Isabelle.

Edit - Be careful. You're not supposed to double-post on these boards. If someone hasn't posted a comment and yours is the last one listed, editing your comment is the way to go.
Point taken.
 
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Oh hey billy.

Would isabelle work as an echo though?
Hey, yeah I think Isabelle could work as a Villager Echo based on what we know of Echoes from this point forwards. And she is basically the face of AC so getting her in would be perfect for Sakurai. And if she's not unique, that leaves the door open for someone else from the speculation scene.

From what I recall, Vergeben said there would be six more unique newcomers post E3.
1 - Simon
2 - K Rool
3 - Possible Gen 7 Pokemon
Then 4 through 6 could be anyone...

Like, Isaac, Geno and Skull Kid? Either way, it boosts Isaac's chances even more now there's three spaces left (Assuming Verge's Gen 7 source is correct) instead of two due to Isabelle.

Edit - Be careful. You're not supposed to double-post on these boards. If someone hasn't posted a comment and yours is the last one listed, editing your comment is the way to go.
 
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Just a note; being the "face of the series" isn't going to be enough to get you in, unless it's a new franchise. Isabelle being the face only is great for promotional purposes, not for Smash. Her fanbase is what'll matter, since he's trying to cater to fans this game. But being the face? Considering Villager represents the most important parts of AC, that isn't enough to matter for her. What she does when playable will matter, if she's in.

True Blue Warrior True Blue Warrior Could you please add me to the supporter list? You've missed me at least 4 times. >.< I think I quoted you at least once? If not, my bad.
 

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Hey, yeah I think Isabelle could work as a Villager Echo based on what we know of Echoes from this point forwards. And she is basically the face of AC so getting her in would be perfect for Sakurai. And if she's not unique, that leaves the door open for someone else from the speculation scene.

From what I recall, Vergeben said there would be six more unique newcomers post E3.
1 - Simon
2 - K Rool
3 - Possible Gen 7 Pokemon
Then 4 through 6 could be anyone...

Like, Isaac, Geno and Skull Kid? Either way, it boosts Isaac's chances even more now there's three spaces left (Assuming Verge's Gen 7 source is correct) instead of two due to Isabelle.

Edit - Be careful. You're not supposed to double-post on these boards. If someone hasn't posted a comment and yours is the last one listed, editing your comment is the way to go.

If that is the case then yeah, Geno Isaac and Skull kid fit the bill. I feel bad about the Wadle Dee guy.

I mean, those guys are the top 3 right now.


Atm Isaac is 50/50

Nothing is stopping him from being in Smash and nothing is preventing him.
 

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Oh right, True Blue Warrior True Blue Warrior sorry to bother you, you do such good work on the supporter list but there's a very slight typo with my name on the list. The K at the end isn't capitalized on the list, when I traditonally have it capitalized in my username. If you could change it in the next update of the list, I would be super grateful!
 

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Isabelle seems pretty darn popular. I just can't get over the fact that she is not a fighter. Even though I understand that is not sound logic, considering Villager got in... It's just I think Animal Crossing is fine with the representation it has, largely because it is not an action/fighting series. But I could definitely see another AC character happening.
 

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Isabelle seems pretty darn popular. I just can't get over the fact that she is not a fighter. Even though I understand that is not sound logic, considering Villager got in... It's just I think Animal Crossing is fine with the representation it has, largely because it is not an action/fighting series. But I could definitely see another AC character happening.
Isabelle is the only other AC character I can see being a fighter. It's bizarre because seeing Isabelle legit beat the crap out of someone is something I don't think anyone could of seen.

They did not show off her AT yet, showed kapp'n kidnap Mario. So who knows.
 

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Just a note; being the "face of the series" isn't going to be enough to get you in, unless it's a new franchise. Isabelle being the face only is great for promotional purposes, not for Smash. Her fanbase is what'll matter, since he's trying to cater to fans this game. But being the face? Considering Villager represents the most important parts of AC, that isn't enough to matter for her. What she does when playable will matter, if she's in.

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Isabelle seems pretty darn popular. I just can't get over the fact that she is not a fighter. Even though I understand that is not sound logic, considering Villager got in... It's just I think Animal Crossing is fine with the representation it has, largely because it is not an action/fighting series. But I could definitely see another AC character happening.
i'm more in the middle now. I can see why she seems like a illogical choice, but i also see why people want her in.
 

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i'm more in the middle now. I can see why she seems like a illogical choice, but i also see why people want her in.
I think the issue is her being an Echo feels like a downgrade to what she can bring. With Villager doing a perfect job of representing AC as is, having her an Echo doesn't add anything beyond a character playable. You can do nearly the same thing with a Mii Costume at that point. However, as long as she has differences, and a personality that fits her(that is, she's not violent), it might work. Displaying personality doesn't matter whether you're an Echo, Alt Costume, Clone, Semi-Clone, or Unique. That's just animations and sounds.
 

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i'm more in the middle now. I can see why she seems like a illogical choice, but i also see why people want her in.
Honestly, the more playable characters the merrier, but it just makes way more sense for Isabelle to be an assist trophy. Correct me if I’m wrong but she’s a secretary, literally her job is to assist. Doesn’t she also mention that she doesn’t like conflict? It just seems like an odd pick, relevancy aside.
 

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I think the issue is her being an Echo feels like a downgrade to what she can bring. With Villager doing a perfect job of representing AC as is, having her an Echo doesn't add anything beyond a character playable. You can do nearly the same thing with a Mii Costume at that point. However, as long as she has differences, and a personality that fits her(that is, she's not violent), it might work. Displaying personality doesn't matter whether you're an Echo, Alt Costume, Clone, Semi-Clone, or Unique. That's just animations and sounds.

I agree, I don't see her fighting the same way as the Villager.

However, seeing her swing an axe or dropping a bowling ball on someone's head as they are holding on to dear life is something I need to see.

She is going to be different if she is in it. Maybe she can't pocket items, maybe only pull out random items like her AT. Or she just goes postal

who knows
 

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But for 99% of people that's all the matters
Can't argue with that. But that falls under the "we want her playable" as in she's super popular. That's fair.

I agree, I don't see her fighting the same way as the Villager.

However, seeing her swing an axe or dropping a bowling ball on someone's head as they are holding on to dear life is something I need to see.

She is going to be different if she is in it. Maybe she can't pocket items, maybe only pull out random items like her AT. Or she just goes postal

who knows
One thing to note is she could use toy versions of those, but I forgot about the Bowling Ball. An ax is one thing... I honestly think she'll be unique if playable, but I can't deny she can use all of that either, so...
 

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Promotion-based?

Dark Samus, Chrom, and King K. Rool aren't relevant to their franchises, so how are they promotion?

I'm guessing isaac could be promotion for his franchise by that logic?
This is what I'm saying, though I suppose he'd justify it by saying at least the franchise is active. I think it's nonsense, but it's strange because he's clearly been right about other stuff.

Just a note; being the "face of the series" isn't going to be enough to get you in, unless it's a new franchise. Isabelle being the face only is great for promotional purposes, not for Smash. Her fanbase is what'll matter, since he's trying to cater to fans this game. But being the face? Considering Villager represents the most important parts of AC, that isn't enough to matter for her. What she does when playable will matter, if she's in.
We don't usually get someone other than the face of the franchise first, do we?

Isabelle has only become the "face" post-NL, which was mostly after the Smash 4 roster took shape.

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You sure one of your twenty seven other names isn't on the list? xP
 
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We don't usually get someone other than the face of the franchise first, do we?

Isabelle has only become the "face" post-NL, which was mostly after the Smash 4 roster took shape.
Exactly. We have the original face to perfectly represent the core point to the franchise. Her being a face just doesn't matter at that point. Her being popular, on the other hand, does.

You sure one of your twenty seven other names isn't on the list? xP
Nope. I actually checked. I should've waited to say something, as I have a plan to change my name...
 

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Okay so this is a bit of a stretch...but if you look at sakurai's latest tweet (the one with the rathalos screenshot) doesn't the camera angle and positioning of link/marth/shulk kinda look a lot like the battle camera angle in golden sun? This is probably just me paying wayyyy too much attention to details but could this possibly be some sort of hint/teaser?
 

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Okay so this is a bit of a stretch...but if you look at sakurai's latest tweet (the one with the rathalos screenshot) doesn't the camera angle and positioning of link/marth/shulk kinda look a lot like the battle camera angle in golden sun? This is probably just me paying wayyyy too much attention to details but could this possibly be some sort of hint/teaser?
IT TOTALLY DOES! It’s a stretch yeah, but who knows?
Edit: they’re also lined up like a party
 
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It certainly does look like it, but it's also a very JRPG type of camera view. It's also cool how they all are RPG characters as the party some people treat zelda as one for whatever reason
 
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It certainly does look like it, but it's also a very JRPG type of camera view. It's also cool how they all are RPG characters as the party some people treat zelda as one for whatever reason
I agree it's a stretch, but yeah, it absolutely looks like the same idea.
 
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