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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

Shroob

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I don't frequent this thread, but I could care less about Verg being right or wrong.


I personally care more about playing the game than these months of no info whatsoever, so if he leaks the roster? Cool. Can't play as the character, but it'll be fun when I can.


If he's wrong? Didn't really care one way or another.


Ya'll need to chill.
 

XenoWarriorX

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I don't frequent this thread, but I could care less about Verg being right or wrong.


I personally care more about playing the game than these months of no info whatsoever, so if he leaks the roster? Cool. Can't play as the character, but it'll be fun when I can.


If he's wrong? Didn't really care one way or another.


Ya'll need to chill.
Well, we all different in how we think.


We're not forcing others to think the way we do.

If you don't care? Fine. Sure.

But it doesn't mean others will think the same way. Nor will others have the same attitudes you do.

It's just something to pass the time while we wait for any info.
 

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Well, we all different in how we think.


We're not forcing others to think the way we do.

If you don't care? Fine. Sure.

But it doesn't mean others will think the same way. Nor will others have the same attitudes you do.

It's just something to pass the time while we wait for any info.

I just don't agree with the attacking of him as a person, nor would I to almost anyone.


As someone who actually has autism, I'm taking the gloves off and saying yeah, Gamefaqs was acting like I could on a bad day of mine.... because of a fan theory that wasn't even real. Was using -tism as an insult in poor taste? Yeah, but if we're going to decry people as being **** for saying one bad thing, then how do we sleep at night with the people running our countries?


Like, take it from someone with actual autism.


I legit think Verg's in the right for getting pissed at how ****ing stupid Gamefaqs is. They tried to discredit him over a FAN-MADE rule that got destroyed this week.
 

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I don't really listen to Verg since I only wanna stick to what Ninty and Sakurai say officially, but yeah he was in the right here.

Also kudos to him for sticking it to Gamefaqs message boards aka one of the deepest ****holes on the Internet.

A festering dump heap as it gets.
 

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I just don't agree with the attacking of him as a person, nor would I to almost anyone.


As someone who actually has autism, I'm taking the gloves off and saying yeah, Gamefaqs was acting like I could on a bad day of mine.... because of a fan theory that wasn't even real. Was using -tism as an insult in poor taste? Yeah, but if we're going to decry people as being **** for saying one bad thing, then how do we sleep at night with the people running our countries?


Like, take it from someone with actual autism.


I legit think Verg's in the right for getting pissed at how ****ing stupid Gamefaqs is. They tried to discredit him over a FAN-MADE rule that got destroyed this week.
So? I don't appericate the attitude he has had so far, and i don't appericate his idea of using Autism as an insult. As my little cousin is autistic himself.

I'm sorry, but at this point, i won't agree with you. He's shown himself to be very cold, and not a very collective person. No matter if the people are assholes, you don't need to be a asshole yourself.

If anyone wants to defend him, go ahead. But he brought this upon himself.
I don't really listen to Verg since I only wanna stick to what Ninty and Sakurai say officially, but yeah he was in the right here.

Also kudos to him for sticking it to Gamefaqs message boards aka one of the deepest ****holes on the Internet.

A festering dump heap as it gets.
I'm guessing the rule "treat people the way you want to be treated" is not a moral around here, huh?
 
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Well... I thought the Isaac thread was supposed to be a friendly place.

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Two cents: Vergeben should've expected this. This is Smash, the reach of this franchise is unbelievably astronomical. Legit, this is just the Captain Zack / Lima EVO Grand Finals situation but continuing far longer than it any should. Does he have a right to be mad? Of course. Did he go about it the completely wrong way and should've worded things much better? Yes and yes. There really isn't any arguing about this, it's common ****ing sense.

At the end of the day, really only an anonymous 4chan, Nintendo themselves and Loz18 have leaked stuff about Smash Ultimate, y'all should direct your grievances over to those guys. :nifty:
 

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Yeah, but if we're going to decry people as being **** for saying one bad thing, then how do we sleep at night with the people running our countries?
Except that has nothing to do with Smash Brothers.

Like, take it from someone with actual autism.
I legit think Verg's in the right for getting pissed at how ****ing stupid Gamefaqs is. They tried to discredit him over a FAN-MADE rule that got destroyed this week.
As for someone who also has Autism he deserves everything he gets. Using Autism as an insult while lashing out against news hungry fans is not cool and not sympathetic. He knew what he was getting into by releasing information with a fanbase that includes all the toxic fanbases around.

If you wanted to eat popcorn and watch a ****storm then you will be disappointed.
 

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So? I don't appericate the attitude he has had so far, and i don't appericate his idea of using Autism as an insult. As my little cousin is autistic himself.

I'm sorry, but at this point, i won't agree with you. He's shown himself to be very cold, and not a very collective person. No matter if the people are ********, you don't need to be a ******* yourself.

If anyone wants to defend him, go ahead. But he brought this upon himself.


I'm guessing the rule "treat people the way you want to be treated" is not a rule around here, huh?
And that's your opinion, but that doesn't give anyone a reason to attack him.

Verg's ****, we all know, but Gamefaqs constantly tries to throw **** on him because..... they want him to be wrong, that's really it. It's not even due to his attitude, they just throw **** on him because, they're Gamefaqs.
 

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For sword attacks I realized that I really want the lunge he does when he attacks with a sword in his moveset. Whether it's a fsmash or just a dash attack I wanna see it happen. I would imagine it to be a slow attack but it would at least stay true to the character
Yes, I was thinking either his dash attack, forward smash, or the intro hit to his final smash.
 

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And that's your opinion, but that doesn't give anyone a reason to attack him.

Verg's ****, we all know, but Gamefaqs constantly tries to throw **** on him because..... they want him to be wrong, that's really it. It's not even due to his attitude, they just throw **** on him because, they're Gamefaqs.
It isn't attacking for telling the truth and people are upset with him insulting Autists.

Hey guys, just ignore these people. They are clearly trying to get a response out of us.
 

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Except that has nothing to do with Smash Brothers.



As for someone who also has Autism he deserves everything he gets. Using Autism as an insult while lashing out against news hungry fans is not cool and not sympathetic. He knew what he was getting into by releasing information with a fanbase that includes all the toxic fanbases around.

If you wanted to eat popcorn and watch a ****storm then you will be disappointed.
I mean, I'm watching it unfold right now, rofl.


Also, 'news hungry fans'. You can say that about Smashboards, but to hold a place like GAMEFAQs to the same level is just.... laughable, sorry but it is.
 

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It isn't attacking for telling the truth and people are upset with him insulting Autists.

Hey guys, just ignore these people. They are clearly trying to get a response out of us.
Never said it was wrong to BE upset, but to spur on and cheer for the people actually attacking him is wrong, no matter how you look at it.

My Grandmother's from the South, she says the N word all the time, should I hate her because she says the N word too?
 

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*pat pat*

kudos on the ScottTheWoz reference.
Just ignore them, the only reason they came here is for a response towards us. Just check their wordings and their responses towards us.

So. Have we decided what the official trailer music should be for Isaac?
 

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Honestly, I wouldn't even care about Verge getting mad and saying stupid stuff (we all have our off days) if the whole fanbase didn't basically worship everything he says. It's so annoying. You can't even talk about your hopes and dreams anymore without people coming in to crush them because it's not Incineroar and Ken or something ridiculous like that. Verge has just made speculation unbearable. It's not fun to visit general Smash discussions or GameFAQs or any other Smash site anymore because it's just all about Verge, Verge, and more Verge. I don't know why people have to rush to his defense constantly and push the narrative that his characters are obviously the only ones left. It makes speculation so much worse for a lot of the little guys like us who are less invested, honestly. With the ballot being a factor, I hoped pipe dreams would finally be able to get some respect again, but I guess we're back to square one.
 

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Honestly, I wouldn't even care about Verge getting mad and saying stupid stuff (we all have our off days) if the whole fanbase didn't basically worship everything he says. It's so annoying. You can't even talk about your hopes and dreams anymore without people coming in to crush them because it's not Incineroar and Ken or something ridiculous like that. Verge has just made speculation unbearable. It's not fun to visit general Smash discussions or GameFAQs or any other Smash site anymore because it's just all about Verge, Verge, and more Verge. I don't know why people have to rush to his defense constantly and push the narrative that his characters are obviously the only ones left. It makes speculation so much worse for a lot of the little guys like us who are less invested, honestly. With the ballot being a factor, I hoped pipe dreams would finally be able to get some respect again, but I guess we're back to square one.
This happens all the time when it comes to speculation.

Back in Smash4, before the ESRB leak, it was the Ninka/rose leak that happened, and before that it was Gematsu.


"Speculation" exists for the first couple months, then it gets painfully formulaic as time goes on.
 
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Just ignore them, the only reason they came here is for a response towards us. Just check their wordings and their responses towards us.

So. Have we decided what the official trailer music should be for Isaac?
...Even though I didn't and gave my two cents about what you guys were talking about. Did you not read the text that was below the image?
 

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Guys, so golden sun came out november 11th yes? Ahem...

Hello guys it's ?!?!?! I'm an employee at Nintendo and I overheard Sakurai at the NoA office and he says Isaac is coming in a single reveal trailer on November 11th at 6pm ET take it with a grain of salt

And everything else ever is an assist trophy. Peace
 

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The people in this topic need to dial it back. Isaac fans were know for being levelheaded and "chill" compared to most other massive fanbases. Even if there are only 2-4 characters left in the game, you need to realize how much of a phenomenal game Ultimate has been. It brought back every single character, finally brought in Ridley and K. Rool, Castlevania finally got the recognition and content it deserved. The roster is one thing this game should not be criticized about.

As long as Isaac is not an Assist Trophy, there is always the possibility for him to be DLC. We have only two months left until the game's release, and the Direct revealing the rest of the game's roster will likely be at least before then. Just be patient.

However, keep in mind Sakurai has given us repeated warnings about how many characters are left. He first told us at E3 not to expect too many new fighters compared to other games. He then told us after Simon, Richter, Chrom, and Dark Samus were confirmed, that not only he planned to reveal every fighter before the game's release, but also that there are only "a few" more fighters left to show off. He said this before K. Rool and Isabelle were confirmed. With this in mind, there is likely only 2-4 characters left in the game.

Incineroar and Ken are likely among those final two (Ken has actually been leaked), and anyone that knows anything about the Pokemon Company, knows that a Pokemon newcomer is coming even in a limited newcomer scenario. The question is whether there will be another two newcomers after this. There are plenty of candidates for an additional echo (namely Shadow, Octoling, and Impa), and an additional unique newcomer can be anyone from Geno (whom Sakurai has personally said he wanted to see playable) to Elma (whose game was prominent when the roster was being decided).

The unfortunate fact is that things do not look well for Isaac's prospects on the base roster. A possible two slots after Incineroar and Ken, and likely only one of them being a non-echo slot, means an incredibly uphill battle for Isaac to be on the base game's roster. Heck, there is a decent chance that there are no two additional slots after Incineroar and Ken.

At this point, I would not be concerned about whether or not Isaac makes the base roster, but whether or not Isaac reprises his role as an Assist Trophy. If he does not, DLC is a strong possibility especially if that rumored Golden Sun 3DS title is actually happening.

Just do not be angry and have a meltdown if Isaac does not make the base roster. Remember there is always DLC.
 

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This happens all the time when it comes to speculation.

Back in Smash4, before the ESRB leak, it was the Ninka/rose leak that happened, and before that it was Gematsu.


"Speculation" exists for the first couple months, then it gets painfully formulaic as time goes on.
Call it an outsider perspective maybe, because I only jumped on the Smash train during the ballot days, but isn't that horribly boring? Why should we take leakers' word as law, when stuff like Gematsu has happened? No one is infallible, I guarantee it. Verge will probably get something wrong. What it is, I can't predict honestly, but I'm just tired of seeing people act like he's the only thing that matters anymore.
 

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Honestly, I wouldn't even care about Verge getting mad and saying stupid stuff (we all have our off days) if the whole fanbase didn't basically worship everything he says. It's so annoying. You can't even talk about your hopes and dreams anymore without people coming in to crush them because it's not Incineroar and Ken or something ridiculous like that. Verge has just made speculation unbearable. It's not fun to visit general Smash discussions or GameFAQs or any other Smash site anymore because it's just all about Verge, Verge, and more Verge. I don't know why people have to rush to his defense constantly and push the narrative that his characters are obviously the only ones left. It makes speculation so much worse for a lot of the little guys like us who are less invested, honestly. With the ballot being a factor, I hoped pipe dreams would finally be able to get some respect again, but I guess we're back to square one.
I do agree that smash speculation has been pretty **** lately and has only been going downhill since the august Direct.

We really need another batch of new Smash info to really shake things up and hopefully shatter some of the lamer theories/specualted stuff.
 

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Call it an outsider perspective maybe, because I only jumped on the Smash train during the ballot days, but isn't that horribly boring? Why should we take leakers' word as law, when stuff like Gematsu has happened? No one is infallible, I guarantee it. Verge will probably get something wrong. What it is, I can't predict honestly, but I'm just tired of seeing people act like he's the only thing that matters anymore.
Gematsu 'was' right when you actually look at Sakurai's statements and the game's coding, it was just horribly outdated info.

The thing about Verg is, at the moment, if you're invested in speculation, turning a blind eye to his claims is a bad idea unless, well you just don't like the guy, which is completely understandable.


I think Verg will indeed get something wrong, but it's impossible to say right now he's wrong because, well he isn't. He hasn't gotten a thing wrong.


If you take a journey into the actual 'speculation' scene, you have to accept that stuff like this will happen.
 

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Getting tired of hearing about the Vergeben gamefaqs controversies. Is he a saint that deserves praise? No. He's said a lot of things that convey a mean spirited attitude. But does he deserve hate solely because people hate Incinroar and want him to be wrong? Also No.

Is there a middle ground? Yes. He can be right and what he knows, and surprises still come through. He isn't all knowing. He's just a guy on the internet with some connections.

Anyways, can we please just talk about Isaac? This is the Isaac thread.
 

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Getting tired of hearing about the Vergeben gamefaqs controversies. Is he a saint that deserves praise? No. He's said a lot of things that convey a mean spirited attitude. But does he deserve hate solely because people hate Incinroar and want him to be wrong? Also No.

Is there a middle ground? Yes. He can be right and what he knows, and surprises still come through. He isn't all knowing. He's just a guy on the internet with some connections.

Anyways, can we please just talk about Isaac? This is the Isaac thread.
Nah, I’d rather talk about 50 Cent. Isaac’s overrated anyways.
 

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Getting tired of hearing about the Vergeben gamefaqs controversies. Is he a saint that deserves praise? No. He's said a lot of things that convey a mean spirited attitude. But does he deserve hate solely because people hate Incinroar and want him to be wrong? Also No.

Is there a middle ground? Yes. He can be right and what he knows, and surprises still come through. He isn't all knowing. He's just a guy on the internet with some connections.

Anyways, can we please just talk about Isaac? This is the Isaac thread.
I was actually trying to think of a Golden SUn topic for this thread to try and distract from this negativity.

Problem is I don't have the creativity to think of something. :urg:
 

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We should talk about how Camelot can implement farming in the next Golden Sun. Farming could be a great mechanic for the series ngl. Trying to imagine using psynergy to grow your crops...
 

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We should talk about how Camelot can implement farming in the next Golden Sun. Farming could be a great mechanic for the series ngl. Trying to imagine using psynergy to grow your crops...
That would be a really cool spinoff game, harvest moon style

Hopefully if GS is revived and popular we can look forward to things like this...
 

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I was actually trying to think of a Golden SUn topic for this thread to try and distract from this negativity.

Problem is I don't have the creativity to think of something. :urg:
What would Djinn actually do if confirmed to be an item on the battle field?
 
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The people in this topic need to dial it back. Isaac fans were know for being levelheaded and "chill" compared to most other massive fanbases. Even if there are only 2-4 characters left in the game, you need to realize how much of a phenomenal game Ultimate has been. It brought back every single character, finally brought in Ridley and K. Rool, Castlevania finally got the recognition and content it deserved. The roster is one thing this game should not be criticized about.

As long as Isaac is not an Assist Trophy, there is always the possibility for him to be DLC. We have only two months left until the game's release, and the Direct revealing the rest of the game's roster will likely be at least before then. Just be patient.

However, keep in mind Sakurai has given us repeated warnings about how many characters are left. He first told us at E3 not to expect too many new fighters compared to other games. He then told us after Simon, Richter, Chrom, and Dark Samus were confirmed, that not only he planned to reveal every fighter before the game's release, but also that there are only "a few" more fighters left to show off. He said this before K. Rool and Isabelle were confirmed. With this in mind, there is likely only 2-4 characters left in the game.

Incineroar and Ken are likely among those final two (Ken has actually been leaked), and anyone that knows anything about the Pokemon Company, knows that a Pokemon newcomer is coming even in a limited newcomer scenario. The question is whether there will be another two newcomers after this. There are plenty of candidates for an additional echo (namely Shadow, Octoling, and Impa), and an additional unique newcomer can be anyone from Geno (whom Sakurai has personally said he wanted to see playable) to Elma (whose game was prominent when the roster was being decided).

The unfortunate fact is that things do not look well for Isaac's prospects on the base roster. A possible two slots after Incineroar and Ken, and likely only one of them being a non-echo slot, means an incredibly uphill battle for Isaac to be on the base game's roster. Heck, there is a decent chance that there are no two additional slots after Incineroar and Ken.

At this point, I would not be concerned about whether or not Isaac makes the base roster, but whether or not Isaac reprises his role as an Assist Trophy. If he does not, DLC is a strong possibility especially if that rumored Golden Sun 3DS title is actually happening.

Just do not be angry and have a meltdown if Isaac does not make the base roster. Remember there is always DLC.
Chrono...I don't think you actually saw the reason why we criticized verge.

It wasn't because he didn't have Isaac in our leaks.

It's because we just don't like him as a person.

We've come to accept that Isaac's chances won't be determined by Vergeben LOOOONG ago.

And while i might have an issue on Incenroar and Vergeben as a whole...That doesn't make my confidence in Isaac any lower. In fact, it's just right.

I think people's conception of our problems with verge is very skewed. :?
 
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Leaks are always gonna be a part of Smash speculation whether we like it or not. Luckily, everything that was revealed at E3 came as a surprise to me and I wasn't spoiled prior to that fortunately. Having no Smash info for quite a while leaves people thirsty for anything. I am so thankful that K. Rool and Ridley got konfirmed when they did or else I would be nervous as hell wondering with all these leaks if they were to make it or not. I still think that Dixie and Isaac are two of the most likely to get in at this point. Of course, we don't know when the next trailer will drop. Have faith guys. Our time is coming.
 

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One thing that would be kinda cool to see in a new GS is if they expanded on the idea of Colosso. Maybe make there being optional challenges in it of various difficulty levels. Maybe there could be a Colosso for adepts where psynergy is more encouraged.
 

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Speaking of which, guess who recently painted this community as "toxic".

Lmao, that guy really shouldn't be a coward, since I don't remember anyone but me being super negative to Incenroar. xD
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Well....I am too, but I honestly have good reasons.
1. Overall boring character when compared to most of the other starting fire types.
2. I don't think he is as popular as people are making him out to be. Before Verge everybody was clamoring about Decidueye.
3. He brings absolutely nothing new to Smash as far as moveset. A fire type brawler...ok so Charizard already has the fire moves, DK is a big brawler, and Bowser is a brawler with some fire moves, finally Captain Falcon faster fire using brawler. All of these pretty much cover everything Incineroar could offer already.
 

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Everyone's gotta have their meltdowns at some point, even the Isaac fans. That's a given when you're in any fandom.

Anyways, just a random thought, but I could see Isaac owning a journal and recording all his adventures in the world of Smash. You know? His everyday life with the other fighters and his own personal opinions on each of them.

I actually co-wrote a fanfic where Dark Pit owned a journal about his daily life in Smash. I should do that for Isaac when he gets in.
 
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