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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

ThoughtfulWanderer

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Is F-Zero X for the Wii U worth buying for a group to play?
It's always a load of fun with multiple people, Try the Wii U Pro or the Wii Classic controllers for the best experience.

Shame that they haven't ever re-released it with the DD Expansion Kit included... You know where your priorities should lie for the N64 Classic, Nintendo.

I'm not sure if it has multiplayer, since I usually don't have friends to play it with.
Yep, there's a whole versus mode for up to 4 players.
 

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So you guys received the Starfox memory on the blog? Because in Europe at least in the French website of the blog it's just Fox and that's it.

By the way it's still the blog posts theory something we can rely to?
 

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By the way it's still the blog posts theory something we can rely to?
They said that it's 2.8 characters per week until now, and that it's possible we end getting just 70 characters. But that's just opinions.

Sakurai could keep the trend and only 70 characters will be the final amount or he can show 4 in a row (?) in a direct and keep updating the blog with characters even after the game is released, keeping the promise of "everyone will be shown before releasing the game"

I think it's impossible to know about what's going to happen with the amount of characters (and even more at this point).
 
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N3ON

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So you guys received the Starfox memory on the blog? Because in Europe at least in the French website of the blog it's just Fox and that's it.

By the way it's still the blog posts theory something we can rely to?
It's as reliable as any unproven hypothesis is I guess. For what it's worth, it does seem like the character trailers are slowing down on the blog.
 

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Okay thanks Mehdow Mehdow and N3ON N3ON for your answers, so time wil tell if it means something.

On another subject what if they include the battle ship theme, it was a good one in my opinion :)
 

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What if they are teasing golden sun in someway with that majoras mask moon @ twitter? That moon from majoras mask could have something to do with golden sun (the whole event in dark dawn with the lunar eclipse etc).

I just hate that pretty much everything they post can be logically traced towards golden sun somehow. (Trademark, Rathalos, this, chairs, earthquake delay, etc.)
 
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What if they are teasing golden sun in someway with that majoras mask moon @ twitter? That moon from majoras mask could have something to do with golden sun, (as the whole event in dark dawn with the lunar eclipse etc.)

I just hate that pretty much everything they post can be logically traced towards golden sun somehow. (Trademark, Rathalos, this, chairs etc.)
If they're using something from Majora's Mash to tease something, I would imagine it would be to tease content for, well, Majora;s Mask.
 

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So you guys received the Starfox memory on the blog? Because in Europe at least in the French website of the blog it's just Fox and that's it.

By the way it's still the blog posts theory something we can rely to?
Just adding to what the others have said, this is the second straight week where we only got 2 characters on the blog. That’s not really concerning since we’ve gotten 4 before so it could still even back out. I guess it depends on if we do get a direct this coming week. That would most likely give us 4 characters on the blog next week assuming we get two unique newcomers.
 

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I know you're reading this. Vote 2B.
Count me in as a Supporter! I'll admit, I'm not a big Golden Sun fan, nor have I really ever played it... Go on. Shun me. But Isaac seems like such an interesting character, knowing he wouldn't be your average sword user. And, honestly, I think I'd be shocked if he wasn't in.

Safe to say there'd be some aftershocks if he wasn't...
 

pholtos

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Count me in as a Supporter! I'll admit, I'm not a big Golden Sun fan, nor have I really ever played it... Go on. Shun me. But Isaac seems like such an interesting character, knowing he wouldn't be your average sword user. And, honestly, I think I'd be shocked if he wasn't in.

Safe to say there'd be some aftershocks if he wasn't...
We don't really shun here, at all. :3

If you do happen to get your hand on the game in some capacity and like RPGs, I'd say give it a try.
 

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What if they are teasing golden sun in someway with that majoras mask moon @ twitter? That moon from majoras mask could have something to do with golden sun (the whole event in dark dawn with the lunar eclipse etc).

I just hate that pretty much everything they post can be logically traced towards golden sun somehow. (Trademark, Rathalos, this, chairs, earthquake delay, etc.)
Nah, that’s a bit too much of a stretch. A Majora’s Mask tease probably relates to Majora’s Mask.
 

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I honestly don't think we're getting Sora because Sora is a huge character that would've been revealed at E3. Same deal as Minecraft Steve. Those characters are meant to attract other audiences, not please the Smash fanbase, and as such you'd want them at E3. The fact Ridley was chosen for E3 seems to imply, to me, that Ridley was the biggest thing they had to offer to its fanbase, and all the other characters revealed so far imply that is the direction the game is taking.
The thing to note is that the reason why the early reveals tend to be huge for fans is precisely due to maximum market. The "best" have never been saved for last for the same reason. I mean it's no coincidence that the only two newcomers advertised as selling points are :ultinkling: and :ultridley:. To further point out, there was only one chance to strike big with Steve and Sora this year and the fact Ridley was the big E3 newcomer is pretty telling as far as I'm concerned.

Crown aside, that's a pretty good art showing how Isaac would look like if he was female.


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Whatever is going to happen next week, I am hoping to god that we see the last of the assist trophies. I've been having nightmares that Isaac will become one again along with Shantae and Saki Amamiya!
 

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If there happens to be a smash direct this month (instead of a one off reveal), then Isaac has a high chance of being shown, this includes him as an assist trophy. Avoiding three rounds of assist trophy deconfirmation would make it way too obvious Isaac is playable, or absent like in 4 but that makes no sense given every other popular choice has gotten an assist. Unless he is being worked on for release later as dlc but being dangled another five months after release would be annoying and that's why I'm rooting for a base reveal.
 
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If there happens to be a smash direct this month (instead of a one off reveal), then Isaac has a high chance of being shown, this includes him as an assist trophy. Avoiding three rounds of assist trophy deconfirmation would make it way too obvious Isaac is playable, or absent like in 4 but that makes no sense given every other popular choice has gotten an assist. Unless he is being worked on for release later as dlc but being dangled another five months after release would be annoying and that's why I'm rooting for a base reveal.
One thing that makes me wary about assuming no assist trophy appearance makes him safe is because he was an unlockable assist in Brawl.

I know being an unlockable doesn't mean you can't be shown off now but it would be a pretty valid reason for him not showing up yet as an assist.
 
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One thing that makes me wary about assuming no assist trophy appearance makes him safe is because he was an unlockable assist in Brawl.

I know being an unlockable doesn't mean you can't be shown off now but it would be a pretty valid reason for him not showing up yet.
Gray Fox was also unlockable in Brawl.
 

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Smash 4 did away with unlockable assist trophies altogether that's why I'm still nervous to get spooked by Isaac's assist.
 

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Somewhat comforting but one (previously) unlockable assist being shown off doesn't really mean Isaac can't be a hidden unlockable assist trophy.
Is there even unlockable assists this time? All stages are available from start, for example. Of course, characters are a different story but they are still revealed beforehand.
 

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If Isaac doesn't get in as a playeable character or an AT and as ir looks GS music no longer plays on the Metroid stages that would mean that Golden Sun is completely erased from Smash.
How would u guys feel about that?
 

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If Isaac doesn't get in as a playeable character or an AT and as ir looks GS music no longer plays on the Metroid stages that would mean that Golden Sun is completely erased from Smash.
How would u guys feel about that?
Obviously, not good. Even Ice Climbers had trophies in Smash For.
 

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If Isaac doesn't get in as a playeable character or an AT and as ir looks GS music no longer plays on the Metroid stages that would mean that Golden Sun is completely erased from Smash.
How would u guys feel about that?
Since songs are separated by series now, Golden Sun songs would be playing in an 'Other' section if Isaac isn't a character himself. Despite cutting Isaac's assist in 4, they still added a track, don't see why they'd completely just drop GS music especially with the insane amount of music in this game.
 

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Somewhat comforting but one (previously) unlockable assist being shown off doesn't really mean Isaac can't be a hidden unlockable assist trophy.
I don't think it really matters, as they showed off Isaac on the Smash Dojo either way.

Honestly, we still have a lot of info to cover for smash. So perhaps give us something for October, Nintendo? Anything? I can't wait this long.
 

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If Isaac doesn't get in as a playeable character or an AT and as ir looks GS music no longer plays on the Metroid stages that would mean that Golden Sun is completely erased from Smash.
How would u guys feel about that?
For me, Isaac still has lots hope and many chances! (base game, DLC, Smash 6's base game and Smash 6's DLC). It's clear the Smash Ballot has worked with successes like Ridley and King K Rool. If Issac wasn't in Smash (in any form), there would be a massive uproar. People will become vocal and eventually Isaac would become playable or reinstated as an Assist. Sakurai is all about pleasing the fans and Golden Sun's fans are screaming right now. He will have heard.

The only time to give up hope is if not only does Isaac nor Golden Sun appear in Smash Ultimate but also if Smash 6 doesn't have any Golden Sun representation. After all, the fans are screaming right now but that doesn't mean Sakurai heard all the noise at the time of the ballot. We must assume he made a mistake if GS isn't represented in Smash Ultimate.

But if there is nothing in Smash 6, then he has heard and chosen not to act. Remember the Waluigi incident? He knows now. And I am sure in Smash 6 he will be playable. And Isaac to. But if GS has nothing for Ultimate and 6 then the series is likely dead in Nintendo and Sakurai's eyes
 
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For me, Isaac still has lots hope and many chances! (base game, DLC, Smash 6's base game and Smash 6's DLC). It's clear the Smash Ballot has worked with successes like Ridley and King K Rool. If Issac wasn't in Smash (in any form), there would be a massive uproar. People will become vocal and eventually Isaac would become playable or reinstated as an Assist. Sakurai is all about pleasing the fans and Golden Sun's fans are screaming right now. He will have heard.

The only time to give up hope is if not only does Isaac nor Golden Sun appear in Smash Ultimate but also if Smash 6 doesn't have any Golden Sun representation. After all, the fans are screaming right now but that doesn't mean Sakurai heard all the noise at the time of the ballot. We must assume he made a mistake if GS isn't represented in Smash Ultimate.

But if there is nothing in Smash 6, then he has heard and chosen not to act. Remember the Waluigi incident? He knows now. And I am sure in Smash 6 he will be playable. And Isaac to. But if GS has nothing for Ultimate and 6 then the series is likely dead in Nintendo and Sakurai's eyes
I find it hard to believe that Nintendo or Sakurai has that much of a raging hatred for Golden Sun.

Besides, we all know that hatred is reserved for F-Zero and Advanced Wars.
 
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I find it hard to believe that Nintendo or Sakurai has a raging hatred for Golden Sun.

Besides, we all know that hatred is reserved for F-Zero and Advanced Wars.
Definitely not. It's more of a realization that the series isn't as profitable and therefore may not be worth the time. Have you ever heard of Muddy Mole and his game Mole Mania? That's a prime example. He's one of Nintendo's IP and is rarely heard of. Mainly because it isn't profitable. And yet, it is perfect for Sakurai to represent.

We have to remember that Nintendo at the end of the day is a business. We may love having King K Rool and Ridley but let's not kid ourselves. That was done to make a profit.

For Golden Sun, I feel like Nintendo need to be convinced and only we here, right now have that power.

We have roughly 5-7 years to prove it. We know there will be another Smash for the Switch's successor. And DLC to boot. So we have plenty of chances! But after that? Well honestly, I'd call it a day as that would put Isaac way beyond the year count of any requested Smash character

EDIT: For the record, my heart still beats hard for Isaac. Wanted him since Brawl. I am just being realistic in this one moment.
 
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Definitely not. It's more of a realization that the series isn't as profitable and therefore may not be worth the time. Have you ever heard of Muddy Mole and his game Mole Mania? That's a prime example. He's one of Nintendo's IP and is rarely heard of. Mainly because it isn't profitable. And yet, it is perfect for Sakurai to represent.

We have to remember that Nintendo at the end of the day is a business. We may love having King K Rool and Ridley but let's not kid ourselves. That was done to make a profit.

For Golden Sun, I feel like Nintendo need to be convinced and only we here, right now have that power.

We have roughly 5-7 years to prove it. We know there will be another Smash for the Switch's successor. And DLC to boot. So we have plenty of chances! But after that? Well honestly, I'd call it a day as that would put Isaac way beyond the year count of any requested Smash character

EDIT: For the record, my heart still beats hard for Isaac. Wanted him since Brawl. I am just being realistic in this one moment.
Yeah, same. Nintendo is just a business.

A greedy, unappreciative business.
 

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But I won't lose hope! There is still a long way to go in Isaac's journey and right now he just needs a single spark. Whether it be music or Assist or even playable, we need something. That something will reignite the sun and get our support shining bright again
 

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Definitely not. It's more of a realization that the series isn't as profitable and therefore may not be worth the time. Have you ever heard of Muddy Mole and his game Mole Mania? That's a prime example. He's one of Nintendo's IP and is rarely heard of. Mainly because it isn't profitable. And yet, it is perfect for Sakurai to represent.

We have to remember that Nintendo at the end of the day is a business. We may love having King K Rool and Ridley but let's not kid ourselves. That was done to make a profit.

For Golden Sun, I feel like Nintendo need to be convinced and only we here, right now have that power.

We have roughly 5-7 years to prove it. We know there will be another Smash for the Switch's successor. And DLC to boot. So we have plenty of chances! But after that? Well honestly, I'd call it a day as that would put Isaac way beyond the year count of any requested Smash character

EDIT: For the record, my heart still beats hard for Isaac. Wanted him since Brawl. I am just being realistic in this one moment.
Thankfully Square Enix proved to Nintendo that turn based rpgs are still in high demand with Octopath so that kills the question of profitability.

That mixed with heavy fan demand as well as the trademark randomly being updated when it didn’t have to be plus the language of the update heavily mentioning DLC...I honestly don’t think we have to worry about Isaac’s inclusion or the future of Golden Sun. Of course time will tell so fingers crossed!
 

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Isaac is the most-wanted first party character by a ridiculously large amount. That fact in itself makes it absurd to expect that he could be left out of the base game completely. The fact that he hasn't been revealed as an AT so far makes it very unlikely for him to be one- Sakurai wants hype, not rage. Throw in the trademark renewal and the Rathalos tweet, mix well and bake at 375*, and you've got a pretty good recipe right there.
 

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Definitely not. It's more of a realization that the series isn't as profitable and therefore may not be worth the time. Have you ever heard of Muddy Mole and his game Mole Mania? That's a prime example. He's one of Nintendo's IP and is rarely heard of. Mainly because it isn't profitable. And yet, it is perfect for Sakurai to represent.
Now and then I have hard time trying to think this genuinely... due remember a certain star's overall tragic fate regarding Smash-games and his games since...





But TBQH, Starfy was Japan-only before anyway - I just feel like they took a very big haul from the water that'd brought them something amazing if nurtured, and instead proceeded to skewer the heck out of it before hanging it's head to the lovely hall o'fame with other rather ridiculed characters in Smash-series overall.

On that end... I'd definitely dig Mole Mania be repped in Smash Ultimate. (HAH) I think Muddy would be very unique and fun addition when done right. Wish we saw him someday...
 
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Now and then I have hard time trying to think this genuinely... due remember a certain star's overall tragic fate regarding Smash-games and his games since...





But TBQH, Starfy was Japan-only before anyway - I just feel like they took a very big haul from the water that'd brought them something amazing if nurtured, and instead proceeded to skewer the heck out of it before hanging it's head to the lovely hall o'fame with other rather ridiculed characters in Smash-series overall.

On that end... I'd definitely dig Mole Mania be repped in Smash Ultimate. (HAH) I think Muddy would be very unique and fun addition when done right. Wish we saw him someday...
I'm surprised Starfy has taken this long to come back. Is TOSE really that busy? They probably have more than enough programmers to make another Starfy game.

But like a lot of franchises (F-Zero, wave race, 1080, Advanced Wars, Sin and Punishment, chibi-Robo, Golden sun, and custom robo) I guess Starfy wasn't high enough on Nintendo's priories to get another entry.

I hate how many franchises Nintendo ignores...
 
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I'm surprised Starfy has taken this long to come back. Is TOSE really that busy? They probably have more than enough programmers to make another Starfy game.

But like a lot of franchises (F-Zero, wave race, 1080, Advanced Wars, Sin and Punishment, chibi-Robo, Golden sun, and custom robo) I guess Starfy wasn't high enough on their priories to get another entry.

I hate how many franchises Nintendo ignores...
More or less. It's probably even worse with how producer of Starfy-games, Hitoshi Yagami, seems to have moved on from the series to now being the lead on most of the new installment in Nintendo's currently profiting IPs, like the Xenoblade-games, FE, Pokemon, and more. Ironic too since he also produced Panel De Pon, which also got badly snubbed as of recent years and now is mainly living on as "that puzzle minigame in Nintendo-IPs"-thing,

I personally feel he's not going to come back to the series, especially with how Sushi Strikers, his newest experimental puzzler, struggled on becoming anything notable in the Nintendo's playerbase as well...

 
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