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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

Katy Parry

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It's really amazing and lovely to still see so many people getting behind a character like Isaac. One who, despite not having a title in the better part of a decade, and not starring in a title for almost two decades, is still beloved and supported by so many.

It's a testament to the character, who has been unfairly overlooked for far too long, but also the fans. The perseverance and loyalty is something special, with Isaac you know you're not dealing with fair-weather fans on board for this month's flavour, quite the opposite. Few if any other support camps can claim to have championed their candidate for so long with so little.

Let's keep fighting the good fight! ^_^
(Formerly ethanrodgers223)

Neoooooon. =D were gonna get him this time.

I was thinking moreso daily updates, because again, that’s his best shot. The hashtag RT everyday, who knows.
 

Isaac: Venus Adept

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Damn, I was just about to say that while I'd totally be down for that, we shouldn't jump on making such an account as quickly as possible but we should discuss just a bit of certain things about that... :ohwell:

For starters, I'm not too sure about the name. It kinda sounds like we're requesting for Isaac in Smash for Wii U... I'd have used "IsaacForSmash" directly if possible.

Also, it's a bit difficult to find daily content to keep posting on it. A schedule could be a good thing to prepare imo.
That's why initially, if some of you remember, I did such a thing once a week for Smash 4 with the #GoldenSunday.
Maybe we could bring them back but also post a bit more often as well?


A schedule could also allow us to be prepared, we'd know which kind of content we'd share and possibly who would post it (taking turns, you know?): Music, fanart, videos...

Edit: I just hope I don't sound too commanding, I just think we should prepare this a little bit.
Yeah I think I rushed this page, If you want I can dm you the password and you can fix up the page if you want. Heck we'll do this together =)
 
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Yeah I think I rushed this page, If you want I can dm you the password and you can fix up the page if you want. Heck we'll do this together =)
Well I definitely want to participate in some way(s?) at the very least, possibly posting music from the game or something like that. :)

Now I have to say, the profile pic you made is just great!

I'd like to hear what others have to say about that for at least a day before starting actually posting stuff, and of course we can still hear opinions in the future and make changes later according to them.

Ultimate's released date is at the end of the year so we'll have to keep enough content for 6 months basically. Possibly more if (when?) we get DLC after that, and/or if the game's release is pushed back for dev reasons.
 
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Well I definitely want to participate in some way(s?) at the very least, possibly posting music from the game or something like that. :)

Now I have to say, the profile pic you made is just great!

I'd like to hear what others have to say about that for at least a day before starting actually posting stuff, and of course we can still hear opinions in the future and make changes later according to them.

Ultimate's released date is at the end of the year so we'll have to keep enough content for 6 months basically. Possibly more if (when?) we get DLC after that, and/or if the game's release is pushed back for dev reasons.
Sounds like a plan=) Thanks for the compliments on the profile pic, it was a fairly easy process to make. But on the other hand the banner I am having trouble with, if any one can make a banner for the page that would be highly appreciated
 

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Apart from asking Isaac for the new Smash, the account could be used to reunite the Golden Sun fans and asking for a new entry (new game or remake, it doesn't matter).
I mean, if you want some content for the twitter account, you have all the franchise to extend its life. And that means, apart from content of the game (trivia, history, development, previous workings of Camelot, etc.), it can also be used to analize all the moveset that could be implemented (and even using the attacks from other characters like the Mother characters), posting some fanarts (always crediting the original artist with the link), the fan comic, some videos speaking about Isaac/Golden Sun, some fan projects (like Isaac presence in Project M or Super Smash Flash 2), etc.
 

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I want to comment about the next protagonist in GS4. I believe it would be Takeru if we go by the tradition that the lead has to be of the Venus element, Takeru is the only one who comes in mind. He has been an idea since TLA days. Matthew had his time to lead, and since he has an established personality of being shy, it's about time he speaks so we can see this personality. Himi had only 1 reason to exist, as a secret Sheikah agent err I mean as the bearer of the 3rd eye. It is even stated that Takeru left on a big ship, my guess is it was Piers and Nowell who took him. I am not sure though that I want to see Takeru be a silent peotagonist after all this build up....
 
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Apart from asking Isaac for the new Smash, the account could be used to reunite the Golden Sun fans and asking for a new entry (new game or remake, it doesn't matter).
I mean, if you want some content for the twitter account, you have all the franchise to extend its life. And that means, apart from content of the game (trivia, history, development, previous workings of Camelot, etc.), it can also be used to analize all the moveset that could be implemented (and even using the attacks from other characters like the Mother characters), posting some fanarts (always crediting the original artist with the link), the fan comic, some videos speaking about Isaac/Golden Sun, some fan projects (like Isaac presence in Project M or Super Smash Flash 2), etc.
Great ideas man, if you want to help with the twitter group dm me. If we do this thing right we can do great things for this franchise. I think I should rebrand the page to a Golden Sun fandom page rather than just having the sole purpose promoting Isaac for Smash
 

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Isaac: Venus Adept Isaac: Venus Adept I've already added you. The OP just hasn't updated my support list, probably seeing as how big it is.

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I didn't know some artist drew a movepool for Isaac. Definitely, one of the weak points of the Isaac campaign was the lack of drawings, when other candidates had a ton of them showing their potential movepool, or just supporting their inclusion. And on top of that, the most "relevant", the Smashified one, was a bit off. Sadly, I'm horrendous at drawing.
I've been practising anatomy for the past number of months but I don't really have much confidence with it yet.

If I get better before December I want to try drawing something for Isaac though.
 

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It's really amazing and lovely to still see so many people getting behind a character like Isaac. One who, despite not having a title in the better part of a decade, and not starring in a title for almost two decades, is still beloved and supported by so many.

It's a testament to the character, who has been unfairly overlooked for far too long, but also the fans. The perseverance and loyalty is something special, with Isaac you know you're not dealing with fair-weather fans on board for this month's flavour, quite the opposite. Few if any other support camps can claim to have championed their candidate for so long with so little.

Let's keep fighting the good fight! ^_^
to be honest, my first golden sun game was dark dawn so i have no real connection to Isacc and the other cast of characters but golden sun is so good that it just needs all the love it could possibly have.
 

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Wow tells us more about how you view DD, most of us started with the gba games, so your view of the series really interests me! I personally liked DD very much, but many fans of the gba games would love to pretend DD never happened :-/
 

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Wow tells us more about how you view DD, most of us started with the gba games, so your view of the series really interests me! I personally liked DD very much, but many fans of the gba games would love to pretend DD never happened :-/
I actually watched a video the other day of a guy defending Dark Dawn, it was the first Golden Sun game he played too.

Hang on let me check...here.

 

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Thank you, I think I have seen this one before but I will watch it again, positive thoughts about DD are always welcome XD
 

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Dark Dawn did do a lot right, and I've never denied that. But it did make some definite blunders. It isn't a masterpiece, but I'm still very happy I played it, and I really want to know what happens next.

That said, I would appreciate a cleaned up version of it.
 

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Dark Dawn did do a lot right, and I've never denied that. But it did make some definite blunders. It isn't a masterpiece, but I'm still very happy I played it, and I really want to know what happens next.

That said, I would appreciate a cleaned up version of it.
One of the only issues I had with Golden Sun: Dark Dawn was all the points of no return (and by extension, permanently missable Djinn and Summons). There were WAY too many of them.
 
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I still need to beat the second game, but I'm at a crossroad.

It's been years since I started it, and usually if I go back to a game after a couple of years I need to restart it so I don't get lost trying to play my previous save.

However, because of the whole linking your old save file, I really don't want to restart it. I unfortunately don't have another GBA to use the link cable, and have you inputted that huge long password?! Took me a half hour, after checking through it at least 5 times.

So I'm fighting my stubborn self of wanting to keep my old save file, while also being at some point in the game where I'm totally lost. Will I ever beat The Lost Age?!
 

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I still need to beat the second game, but I'm at a crossroad.

It's been years since I started it, and usually if I go back to a game after a couple of years I need to restart it so I don't get lost trying to play my previous save.

However, because of the whole linking your old save file, I really don't want to restart it. I unfortunately don't have another GBA to use the link cable, and have you inputted that huge long password?! Took me a half hour, after checking through it at least 5 times.

So I'm fighting my stubborn self of wanting to keep my old save file, while also being at some point in the game where I'm totally lost. Will I ever beat The Lost Age?!
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it... *repeat ad infinitum*
 

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Wow tells us more about how you view DD, most of us started with the gba games, so your view of the series really interests me! I personally liked DD very much, but many fans of the gba games would love to pretend DD never happened :-/
honestly dark dawn for what it was. I really enjoyed it when i played it i couldn't leave my home for awhile so i had no other games to play it was either dragon quest 6 or golden sun so I went with golden sun I loved the protagonist but my love is biased because Matthews name is my name so i enjoyed him for that alone. i thought the summons were really cool when i think about them now real easy to break the game with them but still cool i believe it's now one of the reasons I like turn based RPGs today I just didn't like the ending I don't think I need to explain why

favorite character was Sevta I really liked her and Amiti
 
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I missed too many comments but damn if i can be any support for the twitter account i would gladly help you.

You all have very good ideas of exposure for Isaac and the GS series in general.

Since having a french youtube account with "only" 2k subscribers i can try to make a video explaining who Isaac is, what moveset could he have, his chances to be in etc. I could make a "translation video" in french/spanish of BillyBae10K (sorry i don't know how to insert the nicknames XD).

I don't know if that could help at all but if that can gets Isaac more exposure i'll do my best ^^
 

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Nice to see everyone's buzzing around DD.
I lent it to my cousin until August; looking forward to getting it back and playing again.

Hope you guys are doing good.
 

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Great ideas man, if you want to help with the twitter group dm me. If we do this thing right we can do great things for this franchise. I think I should rebrand the page to a Golden Sun fandom page rather than just having the sole purpose promoting Isaac for Smash
Sadly, as I say in my signature, english is not my first language so i really struggle to write it fluently (i need to check all the time if I made some mistakes ^^'). But hey, if sometime you need some ideas, just ask.

Now, it would be ideal to reply some Nintendo's tweets that contain information of Mario Tennis Ace or Octopath Traveler just for visibility, for example. Also, when everything about the account is decided, you could post it in Golden Sun reddit or places like this.

The only thing I ask for the new account is that the fixed tweet would explain the purpose of a new game and the inclusion of Isaac in Smash in a topic (I mean, giving the principal pros of including him in smash could benefit the franchise and why should be in).
 

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Neoooooon. =D were gonna get him this time.

I was thinking moreso daily updates, because again, that’s his best shot. The hashtag RT everyday, who knows.
Ethan! Nice to see you again. :)

Let's hope so! Every little bit helps, but I think the ballot is now our biggest shot.
 

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https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-talks-development-of-smash-bros-ultimate-future-and-more/

This article states:

“The cost of making a game like this is increasing and trying to replicate a project as big as this in the future would cost a lot of time, manpower, and money. Even if a game is just a port, there’s an incredible amount of work that goes into making it happen. Additionally, in the case of SmashBros., we have to painstakingly go to each individual publisher to acquire their acknowledgement in order to have their characters appear in-game. If a character’s publisher requests something specific of us or puts limitations on our use, we have to acquiesce and do it right by them – no matter the cost. It’s pretty difficult to coordinate and adjust contracts; production is kind of an excruciating process! In fact, we only barely got permission for everybody that’s appearing in Ultimate!

...”It isn’t that I feel like I’d be stuck in a creative rut if I kept working on the same series, I don’t think. There are always things that’d keep me thinking, like how to put a seemingly-impossible character into the game – things like that. I think I should hold on to my work, and respect it, in fact.”
Keep in mind Sakurai DID get permission for Brawl for the music and to use Isaac as anything he wanted.

So getting permission a second time will be a yes.

“But whose dream was it, exactly? Why, the customers’ dream, of course. There’s all sorts of fans, and I really want to meet as many people’s expectations as I possibly could – that’s how I approach all of my games.”
 
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I missed too many comments but damn if i can be any support for the twitter account i would gladly help you.

You all have very good ideas of exposure for Isaac and the GS series in general.

Since having a french youtube account with "only" 2k subscribers i can try to make a video explaining who Isaac is, what moveset could he have, his chances to be in etc. I could make a "translation video" in french/spanish of BillyBae10K (sorry i don't know how to insert the nicknames XD).

I don't know if that could help at all but if that can gets Isaac more exposure i'll do my best ^^
You insert the nicknames using the '@' symbol, directly followed by their username.
Ethan! Nice to see you again. :)

Let's hope so! Every little bit helps, but I think the ballot is now our biggest shot.
Never give up! Never surrender!
 

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Finally the most important piece from the article

“Smash Bros. is something I’d probably refer to as one of Nintendo’s biggest “billboard” titles.

Even though there isn’t much merchandise outside of amiibo, you see a lot of media concerning the game around, and that’s something I feel is special about the series – it’s almost like extra advertising. It’s such a big collaboration that its influence is quite big, too. Because the series’ influence has become so large, there’s always the possibility that the series will continue!”
 

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Finally the most important piece from the article

“Smash Bros. is something I’d probably refer to as one of Nintendo’s biggest “billboard” titles.

Even though there isn’t much merchandise outside of amiibo, you see a lot of media concerning the game around, and that’s something I feel is special about the series – it’s almost like extra advertising. It’s such a big collaboration that its influence is quite big, too. Because the series’ influence has become so large, there’s always the possibility that the series will continue!”
A relevant image regarding my opinions on the top wanted characters, including Isaac.
 

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Sadly, as I say in my signature, english is not my first language so i really struggle to write it fluently (i need to check all the time if I made some mistakes ^^'). But hey, if sometime you need some ideas, just ask.

Now, it would be ideal to reply some Nintendo's tweets that contain information of Mario Tennis Ace or Octopath Traveler just for visibility, for example. Also, when everything about the account is decided, you could post it in Golden Sun reddit or places like this.

The only thing I ask for the new account is that the fixed tweet would explain the purpose of a new game and the inclusion of Isaac in Smash in a topic (I mean, giving the principal pros of including him in smash could benefit the franchise and why should be in).
I started talking about it on /r/GoldenSun, since that's what I planned to do anyway. :)

A relevant image regarding my opinions on the top wanted characters, including Isaac.
I love me some One Piece! Even if getting Golden Sun a rep and possibly a 4th game is an uphill battle, I do feel like we've made progress in the recent years.
We still need some key things like some people that could link us to possible Japanese fans; more artists never hurt either... But we'll get to that point eventually.
 

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I love me some One Piece!
But do you love One Piece enough to make a line from it your Year Book quote? (I was such a weeb 10 years ago. :laugh:) Specifically, the quote was the "Everything that humans can imagine is a possibility in reality" line that appears in Chapter 218.
Even if getting Golden Sun a rep and possibly a 4th game is an uphill battle, I do feel like we've made progress in the recent years.
We still need some key things like some people that could link us to possible Japanese fans; more artists never hurt either... But we'll get to that point eventually.
At least we have Camelot themselves on our side, at least insofar as they're willing to make a GS4. :)
 
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https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-talks-development-of-smash-bros-ultimate-future-and-more/

This article states:

“The cost of making a game like this is increasing and trying to replicate a project as big as this in the future would cost a lot of time, manpower, and money. Even if a game is just a port, there’s an incredible amount of work that goes into making it happen. Additionally, in the case of SmashBros., we have to painstakingly go to each individual publisher to acquire their acknowledgement in order to have their characters appear in-game. If a character’s publisher requests something specific of us or puts limitations on our use, we have to acquiesce and do it right by them – no matter the cost. It’s pretty difficult to coordinate and adjust contracts; production is kind of an excruciating process! In fact, we only barely got permission for everybody that’s appearing in Ultimate!

...”It isn’t that I feel like I’d be stuck in a creative rut if I kept working on the same series, I don’t think. There are always things that’d keep me thinking, like how to put a seemingly-impossible character into the game – things like that. I think I should hold on to my work, and respect it, in fact.”
Keep in mind Sakurai DID get permission for Brawl for the music and to use Isaac as anything he wanted.

So getting permission a second time will be a yes.

“But whose dream was it, exactly? Why, the customers’ dream, of course. There’s all sorts of fans, and I really want to meet as many people’s expectations as I possibly could – that’s how I approach all of my games.”
My hope is at an all time high. I'm just hoping we get some news soonish for the game. Not even for Isaac alone at this point, but for everything else we still don't know about the game as well.
 

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My hope is at an all time high. I'm just hoping we get some news soonish for the game. Not even for Isaac alone at this point, but for everything else we still don't know about the game as well.
Maybe Isaac will get his time in the sun again.

(Insert "Golden Sun" pun here)
 

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Please do not double post. Edit your messages instead. :)

Also, would love for Isaac to get into Smash. He was on my Smash 4 wishlist roster.
 

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Woah I hate it when I suddenly stop receiving alerts.

Finally caught up.

How's the Isaac account plan going?
 

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Dunno if anyone spoke about this, but i'm really disappointing with Camelot for not supporting Golden Sun more than they should have, If you look at all the current games we are getting aside from Mario Tennis, they are all pretty lack luster and no one really cares too much about them =/... Even Mario Tennis Aces ratings was just decent but maybe i'm just salty that we don't have a new GS game, who knows xD! aghhh this is frustrating LOOOL.
 

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How's the Isaac account plan going?
At the moment I'm retweeting Golden Sun posts and finding fans and spreading the word about the campaign. I'm thinking of how to implement different kinds of content such as trivia, fanart etc as well as taking into account ideas from other people on this thread. First I want to see how many fans I can reach on Twitter before things get really serious
 

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At the moment I'm retweeting Golden Sun posts and finding fans and spreading the word about the campaign. I'm thinking of how to implement different kinds of content such as trivia, fanart etc as well as taking into account ideas from other people on this thread. First I want to see how many fans I can reach on Twitter before things get really serious
Where is the twitter page? I want to find it.
 
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