Q&A Structured Query Thread - R.O.B. Q&A

[Masonomace]

So is this just an Ask Chibo thread and not a general Q&A thread?

Answer: It's both basically. As long as it pertains to only Chibo, or about R.O.B.

 

[Heartstring]

I'm writing out a rough guide for ROB that we can be using for teaching newcomers how to use this guy.

Ladies and gentlemen I give you: My husbando: ROB!

Spoiler

I'll probably refine this later and we can use it for an early character guide. Leave me your thoughts and questions, folks.

 

[oldkingcroz]

Wow, G~P, nice job with that guide! I didn't know there were so many combo possibilities that you could do with down+A. I've just been going for more down+As/ Dash Attack/ Gyro. But it's nice to know there is so many options. I'm usually a bit paranoid when trying to grab offensively, but I'll have to try that down+A to grab out.

But- I gotta say- I'm really enjoying the 'new' ROB so far.

 

[Flaxr XIII]

Why is no one talking about how awesome ROB is? I chose to play him on a whim and absolutely love what they did to him for Smash 4! He might me one of my mains or secondaries.

 

[Heartstring]

Yeah, i'm researching the **** out of ROB at this stage. going to do a more general section and post it as a guide, because I love this robot so much <3

 

[Ansem]

I'm writing out a rough guide for ROB that we can be using for teaching newcomers how to use this guy.

Ladies and gentlemen I give you: My husbando: ROB!

Spoiler

I'll probably refine this later and we can use it for an early character guide. Leave me your thoughts and questions, folks.

Amazing primer. I agree with everything said. If you need any help with research of writing the full guide I'm happy to help

 

[Afro Smash]

Sorry if this is obvious but... What's the rule on how strong ROB's neutral B is?

 

[Ansem]

Sorry if this is obvious but... What's the rule on how strong ROB's neutral B is?

It's pretty darn good. Charges faster than brawl. Good to camp with and off stage while recovering. Many times not even fully charged if gives enough knockback to a recovering enemy to guarantee the kill. *cough *cough Little Mac

 

[ROBnWatch]

I'm writing out a rough guide for ROB that we can be using for teaching newcomers how to use this guy.

Ladies and gentlemen I give you: My husbando: ROB!

Spoiler

I'll probably refine this later and we can use it for an early character guide. Leave me your thoughts and questions, folks.

Glad to see most of his moveset is or above!

 

[CT Chia]

Is it just me, or does ROB have slightly less air time? Also, what is the difference between ROBs up-b alts; How do they work differently from each other?

Air time as in Up B? I don't think it's that necessarily, but the movement is severely nerfed horizontal wise. If you're watching my vids using a custom up B, then yes, that trades gas for a much faster movement, which I greatly prefer.

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What are your thoughts on R.O.B.'s forward tilt? From what I've seen the range seems nerfed, but I don't know if it's just an illusion because of the change in the animation.

Super nerfed, and it's frustrating. I still use it sometimes for poking and pivoting it, but it's nothing compared to that of Brawl's ftilt.

I have a ask for you, i want to know... Robotic Operating Buddy will be a new invention or innovation for Wii U this year or in the future?

Not coming back, stayin' retro. He's now an official Smash Brawler, no longer a peripheral.

I wounder if it could re code a video game to give it self an advantage
Also I know this isn't directed towards Rob but is there a Mii hat of rob like the one in miiverse

Not that I have found yet, but I haven't unlocked everything yet since I don't have the US version of the game yet

@ CT Chia

Can R.O.B.'s Robo Burner meteor cancel effectively after being meteor smashed / spiked, like it did in Brawl?

I'm actually not quite sure how meteor canceling works in this game yet, or if it's even in. If it is in, I'm sure it'll work. It doesn't feel the same though. Could be the controller though.

So is this just an Ask Chibo thread and not a general Q&A thread?

Ask away broski

Sorry if this is obvious but... What's the rule on how strong ROB's neutral B is?

You have a basic small laser which does some damage. Wait a bit and you get a strong one The strong one is much stronger, but also slower. After you use a laser, you have to wait a couple seconds before you can use it again. Effectively the same as Brawl.

 

[Heartstring]

Amazing primer. I agree with everything said. If you need any help with research of writing the full guide I'm happy to help

Thanks! it's all largely guess based at the moment, so i might need help with testing things in the future

Glad to see most of his moveset is or above!

Yeah, he's got a pretty solid moveset all around. His Dair is still bad but beyond that everything has uses!

 

[ROBnWatch]

Thanks! it's all largely guess based at the moment, so i might need help with testing things in the future

Yeah, he's got a pretty solid moveset all around. His Dair is still bad but beyond that everything has uses!

Really? I found his dair to be exceptionally good in Brawl (then again, I'm usually forced to play against cpu opponents). And now that it has less start up and cool down I expect it to be better. However, we all play differently, so your experiences with it may vary compared to mine.

 

[LIQUID12A]

The Dair I find to be useful for punishing whiffs, personally.

 

[Ansem]

The Dair I find to be useful for punishing whiffs, personally.

The thing with using dair to punish is that you have much better options out most other moves. The best use of it is spiking when they re grab ledge without invincibility. But we're all different

 

[LIQUID12A]

The thing with using dair to punish is that you have much better options out most other moves. The best use of it is spiking when they re grab ledge without invincibility. But we're all different

"personally" i prefer the air



It's also a really great ledge killing tool for me, like most Dairs.

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[Funkermonster]

As someone who hasn't been around in Brawl's competition much, may ask what his main weaknesses were and is some of them still exist here? I just fought 2 good R.O.Bs recently and have difficulty facing him since I am mostly unfamiliar with him.

 

[EchoesOfRain]

So back in Brawl I ended up liking ROB enough to put him as one of my side-mains...Now, he just feels like a BEAST, and I'm happy to say that he's tied with Greninja for my main. He's gotten some really good buffs this time around, especially his >B. That arm rotor feels 100x better than brawl, and has won me several team matches. So happy for his glorious return in Sm4sh

 

[Trekkerjoe]

@ Heartstring Interesting. You rate ROBs spike as the worst move. However, I found that I KO with it fairly often. Nothing surprises a foe more than being thrown off a ledge by a well placed burner blast. It must be personal preference though, because I prefer to spike, as opposed to your juggling style.

 

[Trekkerjoe]

I wonder, what is the record for the longest ROB can hit sandbag in Home-Run-Contest? I managed to pull off a combo and hit it for 2082 meters.

 

[Ansem]

@ Heartstring Interesting. You rate ROBs spike as the worst move. However, I found that I KO with it fairly often. Nothing surprises a foe more than being thrown off a ledge by a well placed burner blast. It must be personal preference though, because I prefer to spike, as opposed to your juggling style.

I think that's why I agree with him. I go for the juggle till like 140. Even then uair kills xD.

 

[Heartstring]

The Dair I find to be useful for punishing whiffs, personally.

@ Heartstring Interesting. You rate ROBs spike as the worst move. However, I found that I KO with it fairly often. Nothing surprises a foe more than being thrown off a ledge by a well placed burner blast. It must be personal preference though, because I prefer to spike, as opposed to your juggling style.

Oh, quite the contrary, @ Trekkerjoe ! I'm actually a huge fan of spiking over juggling, I mean I'm a huge Ike loyalist! It's just if the tool isnt any good...there's no point in sugar coating it, right?
Either way, I'd love to hear what you think might be worse than his Dair ^.^

The only use I can find for it at the moment is to get a free kill on an opponent who is trying to refresh their ledge invincibility, in the style of the previous smash games. but beyond that it's pretty bad, and even then, good players will refrain from doing it in the near future.
It's pretty awful for multiple reasons:

-while it does spike, it only does so at the central hitbox, which will be difficult to land on a smart opponent. you're far more likely to get the weak hitbox, which usually has almost vertical knockback and will aid their recovery more than harm it.

-As I said in the guide, it's extremely slow to both come out and to end. Combining this with the 'stall' aspect and Robs naturally slow air speed, and you have a move thats telegraphed as all hell, giving anyone ALL the time in the world to react to it accordingly.

-This dair fails to fill any specific useful roles (including ones that are usually reserved solely for Dairs) properly, as It gets bested by at least one of his other moves. For example, Dair's are typically used to cover yourself when getting back down to the ground, and this is probably the worst Dair at doing this with the exception of little mac. Even other stalling moves worked better than this (Lucario, Ivysaur) because they were fast enough to be used against an opponent chasing you, ROB's is too slow to do this properly.
LUCKILY, ROBs nair has a rather huge hitbox that does hit below him too, so that covers his glaring weakness a little bit.

Literally, the only plus points for this move is 'it can spike' which - in the long run - really isn't major if you can never land it on a decent opponent.

 

[egaddmario]

ROB got beast this game. Played a ton of For Glory with him yesterday, won almost all of them. Really liking his play style and buff.

 

[gsninja]

ROB is so much more fun in this game than he was in Brawl. He's almost surely my secondary at this point.

 

[Ansem]

So other ROB players who else have you guys taken a liking you? Personally I like Diddy and play him a similar way to rob. And cf because falcon :D

 

[egaddmario]

So other ROB players who else have you guys taken a liking you? Personally I like Diddy and play him a similar way to rob. And cf because falcon :D

My sig right now has my other likings thus far.

 

[Wintropy]

I'm writing out a rough guide for ROB that we can be using for teaching newcomers how to use this guy.

Ladies and gentlemen I give you: My husbando: ROB!

Spoiler

I'll probably refine this later and we can use it for an early character guide. Leave me your thoughts and questions, folks.

Superb analysis! R.O.B.'s so great in this game, it makes me proud to be a long-time fan of the big guy~ I would like to ask, though: how would you suggest using his side B and down B? They're both moves I use relatively frequently, yet I feel like I'm not using to their full potential. Any advice to that end?

Oh and your ratings system makes me giggle a lot. I like that, I like that.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

Seeing R.O.B in the roster brought me to tears of joy I was always against people who wanted him cut but these same people wanted falco back. When I seen the buffs he got I was over joyed he was wonderful in Brawl and now he is just Amazing thanks Sakurai :')

 

[Heartstring]

Superb analysis! R.O.B.'s so great in this game, it makes me proud to be a long-time fan of the big guy~ I would like to ask, though: how would you suggest using his side B and down B? They're both moves I use relatively frequently, yet I feel like I'm not using to their full potential. Any advice to that end?

Oh and your ratings system makes me giggle a lot. I like that, I like that.

Why thanks! I was actually just copying how the Brawl Ike boards rated him ^,^

As for his moves, I'm not too sure on side-b yet. obviously, it reflects projectiles so it may be a solid option for getting in on someone looking to space you out with a projectile (robin is the first one that comes to mind in this scenario). or generally anyone who is commiting to an option. Using it on shield is generally a bad idea, but like MK's nado, you can sorta weave out of the way to save yourself a little. I need to research Side-B a bit more to be honest.

As for Down-B It's actually really hard to explain what to do, seeing as its all just second nature to me these days. Use it like a PM zelda uses dins fire, leave it on stage to force the opponent to do SOMETHING to get past it. grab it when you can, use it as an aide to get in or to keep an opponent out (you can throw backwards from a dash attack now, thanks to pivot cancelling)

 

[DJ3DS]

Superb analysis! R.O.B.'s so great in this game, it makes me proud to be a long-time fan of the big guy~ I would like to ask, though: how would you suggest using his side B and down B? They're both moves I use relatively frequently, yet I feel like I'm not using to their full potential. Any advice to that end?

Oh and your ratings system makes me giggle a lot. I like that, I like that.

For Side B, I use it for the following situations:

- Reflecting projectiles (especially against the likes of Mega Man, and using it on a Villager's F-Smash edgeguard is extremely satisfying), and approaching projectile heavy characters
- Punishing rolls, due to the duration of the move
- As an approach on For Glory, as most people aren't comfortable with the duration meaning they likely don't shield the entire move, and it is very difficult to punish on block there due to lag+mobility

For Down B there will likely be a host of far better guides available on the old Brawl forums, but in short I throw it out for four reasons:

1) Apply pressure - lasting hitboxes and a second projectile helps to force an approach and tack on percent, as well as helping to beat other projectile heavy characters in conjunction with the laser. In addition, throwing out a gyro to bait a reflect (which will do nothing to ROB at longer range) which you then punish with a laser is a favourite of mine.

2) As an approach - Gyro mostly forces shields due to the lasting hitbox, which I use to either gain more favourable positioning, or as an opening to attempt a grab which usually results in a decent amount of %

3) GTFO move - because it comes out very, very quick

4) Recovery - shooting out a gyro onto the edge of the ledge often seems to make getting back on stage a little easier.

 

[Makaronileo]

Is Robs deafult skin changed?

 

[Ansem]

Is Robs deafult skin changed?

Yes it's the Grey one. To match the default nes rob. Brawl rob was famicon colored

 

[Makaronileo]

Yes it's the Grey one. To match the default nes rob. Brawl rob was famicon colored

Thanks
( now i know im not crazy )

 

[Mister Eric]

Ask away broski

Mostly was asking for the sake of contributing. I feel like a general Q&A would be better. Not just an Ask Chibo. You're not the only vet who is going to try to lvl up the new ROB <3

Overall, I'm not sure how I feel about him. The lack of being able to b-rev gyro cancel is killing me lol.

 

[Spinosaurus]

I'm having a bit of trouble against characters that space really well with disjointed hitboxes as Wario so instead of picking up someone who'd rather go in I want someone who can just hit them far away.

How's ROB against the likes of Marth and such? I actually love his playstyle but never picked him up proper. Really considering learning him.

 

[Overmaster]

Holy crap, the operating buddy is somehow even more fun in this version. Maybe I really gotta learn this little robot.

So here's my question, Sempai. And Eric, if he's so inclined!

What are some good tips for someone learning ROB with no past experience playing him in Brawl. What are some techniques to learn? What are his best attacks, etc.

What can I do to up my game?

 

[Spinosaurus]

Holy crap, the operating buddy is somehow even more fun in this version. Maybe I really gotta learn this little robot.

So here's my question, Sempai. And Eric, if he's so inclined!

What are some good tips for someone learning ROB with no past experience playing him in Brawl. What are some techniques to learn? What are his best attacks, etc.

What can I do to up my game?

Really would appreciate some tips as someone who is thinking of picking up the robot!
Is he particularly dominant at longer range? That's what I want to know.

 

[Heartstring]

I'm having a bit of trouble against characters that space really well with disjointed hitboxes as Wario so instead of picking up someone who'd rather go in I want someone who can just hit them far away.

How's ROB against the likes of Marth and such? I actually love his playstyle but never picked him up proper. Really considering learning him.

Rob was good against ranged characters in brawl, but this was largely due to his Ftilt having godlike range. It's since been nerfed in this game so the answer to your question is: I dont know

 

[Spinosaurus]

Rob was good against ranged characters in brawl, but this was largely due to his Ftilt having godlike range. It's since been nerfed in this game so the answer to your question is: I dont know

That's a shame. Thanks anyway.

He's too fun though so I'll learn him regardless.

 

[xepherthree]

Holy crap, the operating buddy is somehow even more fun in this version. Maybe I really gotta learn this little robot.

So here's my question, Sempai. And Eric, if he's so inclined!

What are some good tips for someone learning ROB with no past experience playing him in Brawl. What are some techniques to learn? What are his best attacks, etc.

What can I do to up my game?

Played ROB a lot in brawl and while I was never fantastic with him, I'll try to help out here. Some basic pointers:

-Remember your laser. Always, always remember the laser. Any time you're not in immediate danger, use it. The weak version only does like 4% but it stacks up, in addition to being annoying.

-Learn the timing on your aerials. Short hop fairs aren't as good in sm4sh as they were in brawl, but still powerful. As Chibo said, nair KB was greatly reduced but it's still an awesome tool that a lot of people don't expect, especially ff'ed when you're trying to get back on stage from above. Dair can be a great stall tactic, and while his bair is (imo) his most nerfed move, especially now that it doesn't have the forward hitbox, it can still catch people offguard... if you have the timing down.

-A lot of the cool little momentum cancels has been removed from the gyro, but it's still a useful tool for catching people off guard, ledge guarding, and just generally being campy.

-Don't be afraid to roflcopter at people anymore, it's significantly better than in brawl and while it's not a 100% reflector on everything, it's still really powerful.

-Spot dodge to dsmash is still really effective, even if it is a bit of a crutch. Dsmash comes out really quickly and doesn't have a lot of lag on it.

-I can't comment on ROBs throws (seem weaker, might be bigger blast zones), but uthrow still kills pretty much anyone at 150, and lighter characters below that.

-Tilt game seems to have been nerfed, much less range on ftilt and utilt horizontal range seems less. Dtilt is still amazing for tripping people and combos, though.

Overall, he's got a bit of a wonky style that takes some getting used to, but so long as you remember all the free damage you have at your disposal he doesn't have a huge learning curve.

Really would appreciate some tips as someone who is thinking of picking up the robot!
Is he particularly dominant at longer range? That's what I want to know.

Calling ROB "dominant" at long range isn't exactly how I would put it, given that most of the time you're gonna be dinking people for 4% and the gyro can be easily shielded. However, he can still cause trouble for a lot of fighters, especially those that have poor approaches because it's either run right into him or take more and more damage. He can definitely force the other player to approach him, if that's what you're asking.

 

[Mister Eric]

Holy crap, the operating buddy is somehow even more fun in this version. Maybe I really gotta learn this little robot.

So here's my question, Sempai. And Eric, if he's so inclined!

What are some good tips for someone learning ROB with no past experience playing him in Brawl. What are some techniques to learn? What are his best attacks, etc.

What can I do to up my game?

(Alright, haven't done a write up in a while, and I'm at work. So what you're about to read is messy and I'm so so sorry. I need to get back in the groove of this. It's been a few years since I invested a lot of time thinking about smash and trying to help people with it. But I love doing it. Anyways, bear with me.)

I went into Smash 3DS trying to play ROB like Brawl ROB. It pains me that he doesn't completely translate from Brawl to 4. But there are habits that still carry over.

Camping/Laser/Top:

The general approach of ROB in Brawl was that he was a camper. Altho I do not enjoy camping, I can't deny the advantage that it brings to the table in both games; this one especially. I really think ROB is a better camper now than he was before. His gyro comes out instantly and at a good distance and while people are distracted by it, you can use lasers to tag on some extra damage and to potentially gain better stage control. Now with ROB's side b buff, actually making the move much more viable, you can use your side b as a follow up to gyro distraction as well. I would recommend not going the full duration of side b if you catch them with it since it might give them time to Smash DI, or find another way out before it deals it's knockback blow.

Place gyros on top of platforms to limit their options when they are underneath it.

Angle lasers to help shield poke. I generally aim for the feet.

When you knock someone off the stage, depending on my opponent and their recovery patterns, I generally aim for where they will jump. That way, if I hit them, their only option is to use a recovery move. From there, have fun being creative and gimping them. I used to use bair a lot for gimps in Brawl, but I'm really not digging it now. So far, I've been opting for fairs and gyro hits to keep them off the stage. But if I can square up a solid bair hit, I'll do it.

Not only aim for jumps off the stage, but people who are used to your camping will try to jump over it, so start aiming for where they might jump to mix it up.

Down throw to upair seems to be a pretty good low % string.

Dtilt still trips, so if you're in close, forcing a trip can lead to a grab, dashattack (which can lead to more followups), or a gyro attack follow up. Forcing trips really opens the door to a decent amount of options.

Recovering:

ROB's up b on startup gives you a little boost (mostly vertically). You can up b, cancel it with fair, up b again, to mix up your boosts. You can also keep lightly tapping up b to conserve fuel.

If knocked up high, turn your back towards the stage, and throw out some dairs to diagonally recovery slowly towards the stage. If you need to mix up your direction, you can put out a bair to switch up your momentum. And if you know what b-reversals are, you can b-reverse your gyro to mix up your momentum even more.

You can now throw your top while in your up b, perhaps another tool for you to recover if you have a gyro in your hand.

Not a lot of recovery mixups in this game. Be prepared to stage tech if someone comes off the stage. But try fighting them off with u-air, or stalling your recovery with dair until you are out of danger.

Kill options:

A pretty good amount of kill options now:
u-air, nair, bair, upthrow, laser off stage, gyro off stage, fair off stage, usmash (while they're grounded on in the air), and even dair with bounce them upwards if they are high enough %.

With upthrow, I havent tested this elsewhere yet, but you can uthrow from below the battlefield platform, and then have him slam them down on the platform above. You couldn't do this in Brawl.

Bair can be used to eat through airdodges since it takes forever and a day to come out lol. When they see you on the offensive while they are at high percents, chances are, they'll play scared. So by the time their airdodge would end, your bair will blast them out. Seems to have a good amount of knockback. More-so than nair if I'm not mistaken. But nair is still reliable. It just gets stale quick and is hard to kill with when it's stale. Which reminds me, refresh moves by grabbing them and pummeling them. Each attack will help refresh your moves and make them more powerful.

Fair:

Fair is beast. It strings together well. Can even trying fairing them, and tossing out a dair off the stage as they try to weave by you to safety. Kind of like a wannabe ken combo.

I like fairing them to where they land on the stage, land, dtilt, dashattack, upsmash or up air, etc. These kind of tactics can be very overwhelming for opponents. Smash 4 rob is good at this. I really wanted that in Brawl haha.


I'm at work, so that's all for now. I would love to play you and help you practice.
My FC is 1075 1236 8207

Either hit me up on here, or on fb (www.facebook.com/misterbeeperic) to set up a time to play. I'm more likely to respond on fb.