Starcraft Discussion

[Winston]

If these top fastest players play exclusively fastest, then how the hell would they have the skillsets needed to compete with top foreign players on regular maps?

 

[Alphicans]

I don't know what vilegaming is

Anyways, coming up with "strategy" and attempting to improve in fastest maps is like working hard on improving your game with items on hyrule

Any smasher SHOULD be able to beat randoms simply by applying more standard strategies, and there is no context where such a thing would happen competitively, so there's no reason to assume people are on equal footing with you if you've already moved past the basics of the game

If you don't know what vilegaming is or don't know anything about the fastest competitive scene then don't trash it. I would never say fastest is as hard or takes as much skill as low money, but fastest pros are good.

By saying they could be B-B+ I mean their macro/micro could be as good as a B-B+ player on regular maps. I know it's hard to compare, nearly impossible, but I think that's an accurate analysis.

EDIT: Comparing smash to SC is not a legitiment argument. The games are too far apart.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

If these top fastest players play exclusively fastest, then how the hell would they have the skillsets needed to compete with top foreign players on regular maps?

Top fastest? They keep track of such things? In most Starcraft community, fastest play is looked down upon from what I've seen.

 

[Alphicans]

Well it is, I just don't want ignorance to play a role in this put down. If you're going to put down fastest, have the facts straight or come back some other time.

 

[PrepareYourself]

I think we should drop this all and just play Use Map Settings.

But what other maps are there to play on? Luna Final or something like that?

 

[Alphicans]

Lots. Luna is old. New school maps are like destination, chuppie, tears of the moon(lol), neo requiem (old school, but being played), medusa.

 

[unknownPresence]

awww, i wanted to discuss fastest, w/e ill just say thrs more to it than one would think.

the newer maps being played on are all weird, thrs random creep, permanant swarms, one way passages to get to u ropponent by ground, the ppl making the maps are making it so the player has to think a lot more about ow he or she plays.

 

[Winston]

If you don't know what vilegaming is or don't know anything about the fastest competitive scene then don't trash it. I would never say fastest is as hard or takes as much skill as low money, but fastest pros are good.

By saying they could be B-B+ I mean their macro/micro could be as good as a B-B+ player on regular maps. I know it's hard to compare, nearly impossible, but I think that's an accurate analysis.

EDIT: Comparing smash to SC is not a legitiment argument. The games are too far apart.

Well it is, I just don't want ignorance to play a role in this put down. If you're going to put down fastest, have the facts straight or come back some other time.

What kind of "facts" are you expecting? What kind of "facts" are you basing your arguments on? I mean, your claim is that they "could" be as good as top foreigners on regular maps.

Seriously you're just saying stuff about fastest players then telling us we're ignorant.

Inform us, then.

 

[Alphicans]

Just watch replays of professional fastest players. It's not that hard. Inform you about what? It's a fact that fastest has it's own builds, strategies, unit combinations, attack patterns. It's a fact that it requires macro and micro, and it's a fact that it still maintains the same unit HP and attack powers.

All your argument is that fastest doesn't require much skill, or at least that was PockyD's statement. Explain to me why you think this. In this type of disagreement that's your job, not mine. The second you start giving reasons, I will respond with legitimacy, but from this point I can just say fastest has skillful factors, and you can't disagree without some sort of logical argument or else you'll sound like a third grader.

EDIT: UnknownPresence this is your chance to talk about fastest lol.

 

[Winston]

Just watch replays of professional fastest players. It's not that hard. Inform you about what? It's a fact that fastest has it's own builds, strategies, unit combinations, attack patterns. It's a fact that it requires macro and micro, and it's a fact that it still maintains the same unit HP and attack powers.

All your argument is that fastest doesn't require much skill, or at least that was PockyD's statement. Explain to me why you think this. In this type of disagreement that's your job, not mine. The second you start giving reasons, I will respond with legitimacy, but from this point I can just say fastest has skillful factors, and you can't disagree without some sort of logical argument or else you'll sound like a third grader.

EDIT: UnknownPresence this is your chance to talk about fastest lol.

No lol I didn't say fastest didn't require skill. OF COURSE it would have its own builds and strategies.

YOU made the claim that fastest players are as basically as good as top foreigners at the aspects of regular SC. That's what I'm interested in.

How is it MY responsibility to be the one to supply facts and evidence when I just want to hear you back up this claim? I am just skeptical that the depth of fastest is COMPARABLE to regular SC, not that it doesn't exist.

It really isn't support to say that "Fastest still has a lot of the elements of regular starcraft! look!"

and why don't you link me to some replays of the best fastest players while you're at it (or tell me where to find them). You're the knowledgeable one here.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Go on Battle.net and tell them that fastest players are just as good as them.

 

[Winston]

Go on Battle.net and tell them that fastest players are just as good as them.

Lol I'm sure the best fastest players are wayyy better than random bnet players.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Lol I'm sure the best fastest players are wayyy better than random bnet players.

Probably, I'm just saying they might know more.

Whether or not they are extraordinarily good, they at least know about the stuff.

 

[Alphicans]

Might know more about what? Low money? Fastest pros know more about fastest duh lol. I will come up with a good response later today to answer questions. I just woke up and I saw that post so I had to respond.

 

[E.G.G.M.A.N.]

Just watch replays of professional fastest players. It's not that hard. Inform you about what? It's a fact that fastest has it's own builds, strategies, unit combinations, attack patterns. It's a fact that it requires macro and micro, and it's a fact that it still maintains the same unit HP and attack powers.

All your argument is that fastest doesn't require much skill, or at least that was PockyD's statement. Explain to me why you think this. In this type of disagreement that's your job, not mine. The second you start giving reasons, I will respond with legitimacy, but from this point I can just say fastest has skillful factors, and you can't disagree without some sort of logical argument or else you'll sound like a third grader.

EDIT: UnknownPresence this is your chance to talk about fastest lol.

Fastest players that don't do "mass carrier instant win"? I need to see this. Videos?

 

[PrepareYourself]

There ARE people that can win Fastest without Carriers.

They mass Hydras xD

 

[Stos]

fastest is soo gay LOL
i can barely do anything LOL
i keep choking for some reason.
like i need a fast build for terran XD.

 

[PrepareYourself]

fastest is soo gay LOL
i can barely do anything LOL
i keep choking for some reason.
like i need a fast build for terran XD.

Mass Tanks and Gols. Defend until they leave the room lol

 

[Alphicans]

fastest for terran is more like (this is pretty much generic for every match-up) get your barracks up at like 7-8 supply depot, refinery another barracks in the midst of all that, then an academy, more barracks stim, range, medics, maybe float a rax to your opponents base and build a FB or two to kill workers, then some factories, add ons, siege. This is all done in like 6-7 minutes though, so you have to be fast.

 

[unknownPresence]

idk how far into the argument weve gotten, but I can tell you fast map games have its own strats which alpha said. Fastest maps also tend to put more empahsis on micro then macro because expanding isnt needed, however the build order itself is very important. I 4 pool will beat some1 who is trying to lurk tech and destroy miners.

I havent really read any comments saying that fast doesnt require skill, so lol, and also I read a comment saying that slow takes more skil than fast. They require the same amount of skill, to me the main difference is the speed of the game hence the name FAST MAPS!!!!!!!

 

[Mogwai]

They require the same amount of skill

I don't know anything about fastest, so I may be speaking out of place here, but conceptually, this doesn't make sense. Fastest seemed to be about minimizing the economic aspects of the game, which you know, makes it require strictly less skill since it doesn't seem to add anything to replace the missing element of managing your economy. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

 

[Alphicans]

You're wrong and right at the same time. A protoss with 3 nexus will most likely beat a protoss with 1 or 2 nexus assuming this is late game, however protecting your eco is slightly easier, since there is only 1 location. With that said, if you do get dropped on, you're screwed, so it kind of balances out. 1 reaver shot can kill you, 1 storm can kill you, one fb can kill you, 1 lurker can kill you, 1 tank can kill you, etc etc.

 

[unknownPresence]

what aplha said, plus bc of the easier economic status, micro is stressed a lot more. Because fast maps allow one to have iloveoov macro but if you dont have his micro which few ppl do, then its worthless. If you build 100 supplies of crackling thats great but if u can only attack with waves at a time then a decent defense will destory it with minimum effort.

Alpha the build order is different, although most pro fast map plyrs i know recommend have that kind of a build, i think it only neccesary at certain times, bc if u get spotted early thats trouble on a fast map. And 1v1 u have a 1 in 7 chance of finding ur opponent depending on which units u scout with.

 

[pockyD]

i dunno, back when i played mucho money maps (like in 2001), i would be able to suicide my entire army and rebuild it in under a minute, so i didn't really care about losing any units

then again, far more often than not, as i "suicided" my army, instead it survived and killed them because everyone was such a bad player at that level

 

[unknownPresence]

we can go back to discussing this later, but hold everything!!
http://www.tumeroks.com/starcraft-course-opened-for-college-earn-credits/
this is amazing!!!!

 

[PrepareYourself]

we can go back to discussing this later, but hold everything!!
http://www.tumeroks.com/starcraft-course-opened-for-college-earn-credits/
this is amazing!!!!

There should be a Brawl course too

 

[unknownPresence]

lol, hate to stray away from starcraft, but more like a smash class instead of brawl.

 

[Stos]

kk so i play a bit of sc LOL
im so noob at this game.
my record is like 140 - 60..
=( my lose is catching up cause i havent played for like months and im getting back at it. (johns johns johns)
anyone seen a player name Stos or iStos in the east region XD

 

[Alphicans]

I have actually.... Wow I knew your name was familiar.

Yeah sometimes I wonder US@East

 

[Stos]

^LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
then thats me LOL i play terran LOL
yeah im always at US East

 

[Alphicans]

Epic... Terran. Warning, as a terran player you can become extremely bitter >.>

 

[Stos]

^ bitter as in?

 

[Alphicans]

Bitter as in hating protoss with a deep passion. Seriously, DT's piss me off to no end. They make me feel like a total noob, because they are easy to handle, but sometimes you forget about them as a unit entirely and **** up.

 

[Stos]

Bitter as in hating protoss with a deep passion. Seriously, DT's piss me off to no end. They make me feel like a total noob, because they are easy to handle, but sometimes you forget about them as a unit entirely and **** up.

LOL DTS ARE GAY.
kk so when i first started playing i was with broodwar.
and then i dont know where brood went and start playing original and im stuck =((
seriousuly i just get ***** but sometimes i ****.
like 10 mins into the game all i see is like a mass of goons ****** my army or hyralisk =((

 

[Alphicans]

Original? Original doesn't have medics right? Just get lots of tanks then, and rines. Tanks pretty much **** hydras and goons, but since you play fastest I can understand you getting *****, because it's hard to move out with tanks in fastest.

 

[Stos]

Original? Original doesn't have medics right? Just get lots of tanks then, and rines. Tanks pretty much **** hydras and goons, but since you play fastest I can understand you getting *****, because it's hard to move out with tanks in fastest.

yeah im actually gonna try to find my brood war and play with you or someone here.
im tired of fastest lol.

 

[Alphicans]

If you don't find it, definitely buy it. Original kind of fails :\.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Regardless of my icon, I usually play Terran.

I'm not especially good at Zerg, though they have my favorite characters.

 

[Alphicans]

Really? Zerg's characters are so like... Not cool . Terran has all the good ****. Vultures give you sass, marines are just plain badass, goliaths are ****ing robots, tanks are loyal beats, BC's have a sweet acccent, medics are whores. How much cooler can you get?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

The overmind's icon thing just looks awesome