Cost-for-cost, Marines can probably take on the Marauders, since they're half the price in minerals and supply. People often don't realize that counters stop working when there's just way too much **** being thrown at them, though.
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M@v
Subarashii!
I never said don't build marines. When you have extra minerals I'm assuming your getting marines(or hellions vs zerg) since they are so **** versatile. If you have way more mins then gas, throw down a reactor barracks.
Btw, if you use the banshee strat, the first thing you should kill in their base is not the econ, but the starport, because it can make the best banshee counters(raven/vikings)
Btw, if you use the banshee strat, the first thing you should kill in their base is not the econ, but the starport, because it can make the best banshee counters(raven/vikings)
That's true enough. I'm going to screw around with some TvT stuff.
I think destroying the econ is going to be more effective int he long run. Cuz then they're falling behind on money and have to build more workers. But after one takes out the econ, moving onto the Starport should be the next thing to do.
If you run early Banshee (or maybe two) without cloak researched yet, hunting the worker line is better. If you managed to mass four or more Banshees with cloak before revealing their tech, going for the Starport should come first so that you can guarantee the crippling of their worker line for that much longer.
So I just did what ya'll told me. And I RAAAAAPED another Terran! I scouted his 2 racks and was like... I'm gonna siege up and get those Banshees that these guys were talking about. Lost Temple is hella rigged for those too. They just sit a top the ledge at the mineral line and just do work from there. I bypassed 2 turrets by going around on the ledge.
111 build is legit.
111 build is legit.
AvaricePanda
Smash Lord
destiny cloudfist build ftw
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in other news, I made it into Platinum league and I still don't even have this game. lololol guest accounts, going to my friend's house, and watching a bunch of VoDs/day9 dailies.
All of my placement matches were long macro games except for the last one I lost (I tried to forge FE against protoss on blistering sands because I pulled it off in my first placement, but I botched up the timings severely and the guy said he was a diamond player so lolol). I love those games at my friend's house but I'm like "meh" on my computer here because my computer's poopy and more units = more lag. PvP and PvT's bearable to me, but PvZ OH GOD CREEP FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU 2 seconds input delay.
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in other news, I made it into Platinum league and I still don't even have this game. lololol guest accounts, going to my friend's house, and watching a bunch of VoDs/day9 dailies.
All of my placement matches were long macro games except for the last one I lost (I tried to forge FE against protoss on blistering sands because I pulled it off in my first placement, but I botched up the timings severely and the guy said he was a diamond player so lolol). I love those games at my friend's house but I'm like "meh" on my computer here because my computer's poopy and more units = more lag. PvP and PvT's bearable to me, but PvZ OH GOD CREEP FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU 2 seconds input delay.
M@v
Subarashii!
What's better than mass hyrdas?
Mass hydras with mass medevac backup of course.
:D
Mass hydras with mass medevac backup of course.
:D
OnyxVulpine
Smash Champion
I make no income, all I do is go to school and I live off of money from birthdays/christmas. $10 is indeed a lot to me, expansions I got for stuff in the past were all waiting for birthdays etc. This year for my birthday I didn't get anything. I'm in the red right now.
DLC and everything is costing more money that Activision got their hands on and it's going to continue to follow that trend. Sad..
I really want to play this but I'm not going to buy it until it's cheaper. Look at Modern Warfare 2, how long as that been out? How close is the next CoD game and MW2 is still at full retail price.
DLC and everything is costing more money that Activision got their hands on and it's going to continue to follow that trend. Sad..
I really want to play this but I'm not going to buy it until it's cheaper. Look at Modern Warfare 2, how long as that been out? How close is the next CoD game and MW2 is still at full retail price.
Zone
Smash Champion
lol, in a 3v3, Me and my zerg friend went mass mutas and lings. and the other guy was terran. He just made nothing but dropships. and followed our mutas
we wiped out their whole army, losing only like 4 mutas, and then wiped out their turret infested base lol.
we had like 14 mutas each so 28 (still pumping).
getting to this point is very risky though as early game time push woulda wrecked us. But just seeing mutas wreck an army at little cost was very amusing.
M@v
Subarashii!
it was me, my friend, and rhan. friend went mass hyrdras(rhan got hit hard early), and i just massed medevacs for him.
Btw, everyone in platinum is so ****ing good ;_;. Either I lose, or barely win. I dont even want to face a diamond player until I start winning consistently.
I lost my first terran ditto in like the past 20.....I'm not even exaggerating or trying to sound cocky.
btw still losing to zerg :D......
I think the only way im going to get over this hurdle is to watch vids.
*watches vids*
Btw, everyone in platinum is so ****ing good ;_;. Either I lose, or barely win. I dont even want to face a diamond player until I start winning consistently.
I lost my first terran ditto in like the past 20.....I'm not even exaggerating or trying to sound cocky.
btw still losing to zerg :D......
I think the only way im going to get over this hurdle is to watch vids.
*watches vids*
Those medivacs were amazing xD
And I got hit early but 5 racks reaper isn't legit if scouted. lol I maintained by myself. I took most of the blows and ya'll had all the time in the world to mass up. I served my purpose. lmao
Those games were fun. Though getting placed in dead last bronze and we went 4-1 didn't really make much sense...
AvaricePanda
Smash Lord
I think it's funny how much people use builds after pros use them. 5-rax reaper was pretty uncommon IIRC, then Morrow beats IdrA and everybody goes 5-rax reaper in TvZ. Or now after Day9's Daily about Protoss macro styles, a bunch of toss I play (and myself) are doing some pure gateways to pretty early expands.
M@v, I want to play you with my OTHER guest pass lol. I love PvT, it's my favorite match-up. PvZ is fun but creep super lags me, and PvP....no.
(and we're both platinum now!)
M@v, I want to play you with my OTHER guest pass lol. I love PvT, it's my favorite match-up. PvZ is fun but creep super lags me, and PvP....no.
(and we're both platinum now!)
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Finally, I got the game. I'm working through story mode right now, and it's been pretty good. I really hate how story Zerg (and even to an extent Protoss) are overpowered compared to Teran early on. I also despise how much the missions are essentially timed via objectives. I just want to play, dammit.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
I didn't really like any of the timed missions.
Melomaniacal
Smash Champion
I did an hour of the single player and haven't touched it since.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
I played through the whole thing, it's pretty fun. I might go through again and try to get more achievements, I dunno.
Melomaniacal
Smash Champion
Eh, I just don't care about the single player. Not interested in the story, and I would rather play with other people.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Yeah it was kinda dumb. I had a feeling that would happen eventually though. The whole thing surrounding his 'release' was sketchy.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
I wanted to see what would happen with a certain Emperor.
I went through campaign on casual since I'm interested in the storyline, so now I have to replay it in normal/hard/brutal if I want all the achievements lol.
Melomaniacal
Smash Champion
I'm still floating around rank 8-10 platinum. Have been getting distracted by school and the FFXIV beta.
M@v
Subarashii!
^banelings kekekeke. :/
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Yup, words to live by:
If you have too few resources, you will lose.
If you have too many resources, you will lose.
You really gotta keep that financial stream steady.
If you have too few resources, you will lose.
If you have too many resources, you will lose.
You really gotta keep that financial stream steady.
Lobos
Smash Master
I'm trying to do some 2v2,3v3, or 4v4 with you guys. I have like friends in diamond, a couple in platium, a few in gold and silver.....while I'm in bronze......although in 2v2 im in platinum and silver in 3v3 lol
I'm not sure I've heard of people losing for having too few resources, unless it's due to:
- queueing units
- not making enough workers
- not expanding and starving out
Sraigux
Smash Journeyman
Any tips for a zerg player who's rushes get walled off by terran bunkers?
I don't think Baneling Bust is nearly as effective against a bunker wall.
The Baneling Bust is often an all-in tactic, as it needs five successful hits to break a Supply Depot, and it needs to be early enough to not get shut down by Siege Tanks.
This is fine against a Barracks/Supply Depot wall, because units have to fire from behind the structures and the Supply Depot is rather weak. Against Bunkers, units are firing right from the choke and they get a +1 range bonus from the Bunker, in addition to needing six instead of five hits to break through, meaning you'll need a lot more Banelings and thus fewer Zerglings available.
Banelings are fine against a single Bunker being used to protect an expansion.
This is fine against a Barracks/Supply Depot wall, because units have to fire from behind the structures and the Supply Depot is rather weak. Against Bunkers, units are firing right from the choke and they get a +1 range bonus from the Bunker, in addition to needing six instead of five hits to break through, meaning you'll need a lot more Banelings and thus fewer Zerglings available.
Banelings are fine against a single Bunker being used to protect an expansion.
Melomaniacal
Smash Champion
I just got 2gate rushed three games in a row. Really ****ing annoying.
I still don't know how to counter this other than... 2gate faster than him. By the time I even scout it (I scout on 9), he's already probably building the first gateway. I was thinking of probe rushing his proxy pylon/gateway before he gets a zealot out, but that just sounds bad, haha.
I still don't know how to counter this other than... 2gate faster than him. By the time I even scout it (I scout on 9), he's already probably building the first gateway. I was thinking of probe rushing his proxy pylon/gateway before he gets a zealot out, but that just sounds bad, haha.
AvaricePanda
Smash Lord
I doubt I've played the best opponents (only in Platinum lol) but I usually just try to go 1-gate + forge and cannon at my ramp to counter this. On narrow ramp maps like Steppes or Xel'naga I can go a standard opener (1-gate to core) and have my sentry FF the ramp to split his zealots, but....I'm not the best at that and it often doesn't work lol.
The times I do get it to work though, since I've teched faster than him I usually have a window of opportunity where Void Rays are really potent.
I feel like mid-late game Dark Templars in PvP (and probably other match-ups) are really good, at least at my level. The problem I always had with DTs was usually that I was dumb and only had one observer over his base, so by the time I saw any cloaked unit and got it back or made another one, my probes were dead. On some maps like Steppes I don't see this working as much, but for example on Scrap Station there's a lot of places you can put a proxy pylon and run in DTs when you see him push out or get ready to expand to catch him off position.
The times I do get it to work though, since I've teched faster than him I usually have a window of opportunity where Void Rays are really potent.
I feel like mid-late game Dark Templars in PvP (and probably other match-ups) are really good, at least at my level. The problem I always had with DTs was usually that I was dumb and only had one observer over his base, so by the time I saw any cloaked unit and got it back or made another one, my probes were dead. On some maps like Steppes I don't see this working as much, but for example on Scrap Station there's a lot of places you can put a proxy pylon and run in DTs when you see him push out or get ready to expand to catch him off position.