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That's not really much of a reason to ban a stage.
ACTUALLY, Randall on YS isn't random, so it's fine. Support Ghosts on Yoshi's Island, however, are totally random.
I believe a similar complex-ish ruling exists in Smash 64 regarding Ness and Saffron City? Since PKT2 flat out fails in narrow gaps it's gimp city for him there.
Your post count means you shouldn't be new around here, but you act like it. Castle Siege is on a timer. It doesn't save anyone at random. It saves everyone at 40 seconds after the transition begins with the load time being different depending on the Wii. There's a handy thing called a timer at the top of your screen. Try using it. Cheers.
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wrote it.Smash 64 is literally just Dreamland unless you play on the rule set that is Dreamland game 1 with Hyrule Castle as a counterpick.
But... he did do research? Do you forget that Japan's competitive community for smash pretty much always plays FD? Thats what Sakurai based the Omega mode off of. Then with that out of the way, he just went as crazy as he felt like going with the stages, although it looks like most of the craziness so far has gone into the Wii U stages.
That's definitely false, for Wii U stages we'll likely see legal, we got (including past stages)
Hm, you're right, I guess I meant more visual flare in the Wii U version.
I have my doubts about Windy Hill. Those bumpers look like they can randomly screw over anyone recovering from stage level and below.
I didn't realize those were double sided bumpers. I guess well have to wait and see for that stage.
Whoa you need to get off your high horse and sit down. Never in that post did I mention those stages being random. I merely stated that they were more disruptive than Yoshi's Island's Brawl.Your post count means you shouldn't be new around here, but you act like it. Castle Siege is on a timer. It doesn't save anyone at random. It saves everyone at 40 seconds after the transition begins with the load time being different depending on the Wii. There's a handy thing called a timer at the top of your screen. Try using it. Cheers.
There is also a guide on Delfino Plaza. I BELIEVE @
Have a good day, champ.
While it's normal for the stage to transform it changes the way that you approach the battle when it does transform. The way you play normally is different on each transformation. Each form has its own normal way to play and you have to change it up with each transformation. The stage is interrupting my activity more often than Yoshi's Island Brawl.
I agree that Wii U is going to greatly improve the stage situation to the point that how honestly frustrating so many of these 3DS stages are shouldn't bother us (even the clearly fair stages like Reset Bomb Forest are just not fun, to be real), but I think your stage by stage analysis is a bit off...
Why is it more normal for a stage not to transform than for it to transform? I go into every match with a gameplan based on how the stage is laid out and what it will do whether I'm about to play on Final Destination or WarioWare, and I have no intrinsic bias that one style of play is somehow more "natural" or "right" than another. I'd generally consider it disruptive based on how much stuff the stage does will force me to deviate from my gameplan and how severe the consequences are if my need to go off-script plays out badly. A stage like Castle Siege is the least disruptive possible type of stage since it does precisely the same thing every time (you could argue there's a minor possible issue in the semi-random variation of load times between forms, but I suspect that will be a non-issue in smash 4 and it was minor in the first place). A stage like Delfino or Rainbow Road is a bit more disruptive I guess, but I consider it a very small issue as even if I don't know precisely what it will do I know everything it could do and have a lot of ability to plan ahead as I play for every possibility and even more it doesn't hurt me too much if I'm caught off-guard by a transformation being picked or the shy guys coming or whatever. A stage like Yoshi's Island is really worse since I can't really plan ahead for the ghost; it might or might not come, and that Little Mac I pushed off stage might or might not live (or Ness might randomly die when it blocks his Pk Thunder!) which is a difference of a full stock in who is winning from a sudden surprise event. YI also summons random shy guys which is usually not that big of a deal, but when you're playing Duck Hunt and one of them gets in the way of your can which lets your opponent get in on you for free, you really do care. I think players can be tough and can handle YI, but I definitely agree with the crowd that says it's the most disruptive commonly legal stage (and is more disruptive than most but not all commonly banned stages) and I shed no tears that it probably won't be on Wii U.
Why is Gaur Plains awful? On the 3DS it works fine. There are no stage hazards and you can't walk off camp. The only problem might be lower percent kills, since the kills are closer to 85% than 100%, and the abnormal layout. I don't think those are reasons to ban a stage, just to make it a counter pick. And Mushroom Kingdom's U problem is the falling ice, but I don't think thats a reason to immediately ban it.
Are you sure? Because from what I've seen from e3 videos, there's a random chance that a giant geyser of water shoots up from anywhere on the stage, even right in the middle of it, and also a random chance that this geyser carries a big spiky fish. Also giant icicles can fall from the sky that freeze whoever they land on.
Gonna repost what I posted in another thread:
Well yeah, but I feel you're given significant warning with the entire screen freezing and flashing lights and such. That's pretty subjective though.
It still confers pretty crazy stage control though, since the opponent literally can't go to that side of the stage while YD is blowing up.
The platforms are fantastic.
That's why there's a (?) next to Jungle Japes. It's not really a definitive stage list, it was more made to show a solution to the Final Destination/Omega Form dilemma.
It should be a =( instead. Why they brought that stage back is beyond me.
Its just Sakurai having some fun, considering how he based competitive playing off of Japan's competitive community, who basically only play FD.
I'm not saying that it's more normal for a stage to not transform. I'm just saying that the transformations on those stages will affect the match more significantly than support ghosts on YI. Matches can be played on YI that are not affected at all by support ghosts or shy guys. Player's won't run into them if they're playing mostly onstage and going offstage for short periods of time.
Yeah, try dealing with playing against strong Thoron Robin who gets a free charge to a move that will kill you at 70 every time the Yellow Devil blows.
I wanna add to this that the random Shy guys can someone helps characters with mix-ups like Shiek's bouncing fish off a shy guy.
Small nuances do make a difference, and if for whatever reason, I felt like RR's transformations played more to my favor (like say, I'm Jigglypuff or Peach, and I can just float above the cars with no consequence. Unfair? It's called COUNTERpick for a reason.) then I'd choose RR.
Spirit Tracks is almost good, but once in a while, the bomb train will go and blow up the entire stage, killing everyone. Pac-Maze is fairly large, has roofs, but the main problem is that the pellet power-ups spawning location is random. I'd definitely put Tomodachi Life over Tortimer's Island as a neutral, because tortimer's Island has a random stage layout and a bunch of items that come in. I'd personally just ban Tortimer's Island all together since the random bomb fruits are a real problem.
