SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[Deleted member]

It's like back when the Brawl roster was leaked all over again.

 

[Luigi#1]

Incorrect. I've already said this and I'll say it again. Obviously, this leak is not like other leaks, and should be treated differently.

And how is that, because it got some things correct. It's in the same boat as any other text leak.

 

[Duster72]

oh great more of them. *ragequit*

C'mon, let's at least try to stay on topic here. You don't need to voice your opinion over obscure character(s) getting in over another.

The fact he's using the term Chorus Men as opposed to Chorus Man is a sign he's not talking about an individual like Marshal.

Did he use the term "men"…? I mean, yes, but I thought the leak said something like "one of the chorus men". That, or it didn't specify. I'm still leaning a little more towards Marshal, seeing as he's the mascot of the most recent game. But you certainly raise an interesting possibility.

With leaks [or anything for that matter] you can't really go hypothetical at all. When something is wrong, you have to say it is debunked until further info released. By now you can't say that he might have been mistaken or he could have not known the name. You have to stick to the facts.

But the problem is this: nothing about the leak is wrong. It's just vague. And X/Y Pokémon certainly got in, and its name is Greninja. Until we have proof that, say, Palutena or Shulk are Assist Trophies or something, it's credible.

 

[Fenrir VII]

Ok I'll put it like this and be done..

The reveal/confirmation of Mii, Pac-man, Shulk, Palutena or Chrom does literally nothing toward proving any leaks... including the salromano leak... These characters are all so widely expected that it will fall into "well duh" territory if and when any of them is revealed. Now I don't personally believe that all 5 will make it, but it's really a coin flip as to which of them are included, so I'm lumping them together.
I would say (and have said) something similar if there was a leak that said CF, Ganon, and Ness are coming back.

The reveal of Marshal or "chorus men" would prove the salromano leak to me, and guarantee the rest of the chars.
Note, this is why we are arguing the Pokemon thing... if Greninja were listed by name or attributes, the leak would have been incredibly solid.

As it is, I stand by the belief that the leaker knew the 3 e3 characters and guessed the rest for whatever reason. I have no real reason to believe otherwise until a less obvious character is guessed/revealed.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

It's like back when the Brawl roster was leaked all over again.

Or back when Greninja was leaked. Or Samurott.

 

[S_B]

Incorrect. I've already said this and I'll say it again. Obviously, this leak is not like other leaks, and should be treated differently.

Eh, yes and no. Depending upon the time of the leak, you have to factor in the likelihood that something changed in development since it was leaked.

But that's also a recipe for forgiving a leak when it could've in fact been BS from the start.

 

[TheUnsullied]

Someone should inform gamexplain about that tweet. If anyone can find the hidden info in the nintendo direct it's them..

 

[DarkShadow20]

Nintendo employee says there are hidden details in the DIrect. Mentions there might have been 4 more newcomers hinted at.

4 Trophies during the trophy quiz, that seemed random.... a little too random.

Tikki from Fire Emblem = Chrom/Lucina/whoever
Fi from Zelda = Ghirahim/Tingle
Pseudo Palutena from Kid Icarus = Palutena
That Metroid enemy = Ridley

COINCIDENCE?!

I dunno.

He said there might have been 4 characters hinted at? Then yeah, it's got to be the trophies.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

He said there might have been 4 characters hinted at? Then yeah, it's got to be the trophies.

I don't think he said that. Here is the tweet:

http://www.gonintendo.com/s/225879-...ay-s-smash-bros-direct-is-hiding-a-few-things

IMO, he could have just been talking about things like the Blue Shell.

 

[swordbreaker]

That's irrelevant, missing the point and a poor counter-argument. Its also a big assumption that Sakurai was considering the idea in the first place and clearly Sal Romano would have had to also assume Sakurai changed his mind, which goes against actually making a prediction based on pre-existing facts. PLUS, it is more easy to predict that Sakurai would just include K.K. Slider or Tom Nook, both more recognizable Animal Crossing characters who were represented quite a bit last game, but Sal leaked ANIMAL CROSSING GUY = VILLAGER

This is a joke response. You play as neither of the characters you mentioned and the Animal Crossing avatar was what they looked at first. Get out of here with that mess.

 

[Zhadgon]

Well for me Rhythm Heaven is not as obscure choice as some people think, the series in general have a strong following in Japan and its overall sales without counting Rhythm Heaven Fever are in the 3.9 million, pretty good for a niche game (even superior to Xenoblade), and for what I gather information about, its last game in the Wii did have a lot of sales even getting in the first week of release first place with more than 100,000+ copies sold only in Japan, so probably the series is around 4.5 million at least.

Thats why when I read the new leak of "Salty LeakE3" it seems in the parameters of Sakurai to add a character like Chorus Men (and I´m beating is Marshal) as the representative of that franchise, new one, popular in a niche group and finally not so expected for the very nature of the game.

In general I´m believing the leak, do I like it? HELL NO! I´m still waiting for Ridley, King K. Rool, even Black Shadow or Medusa to appear and how the things are going we will receive in this Smash only three villains Bowser, Ganondorf and King Dedede with probable cuts of Wolf and Mewtwo again not coming back from the dead, pretty sad.

.n_n.

 

[TewnLeenk]

I don't think he said that. Here is the tweet:

http://www.gonintendo.com/s/225879-...ay-s-smash-bros-direct-is-hiding-a-few-things

IMO, he could have just been talking about things like the Blue Shell.

Hmm. I thought I saw someone here say something about him hinting at 4 newcomers. Maybe I'm just dumb?

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Hmm. I thought I saw someone here say something about him hinting at 4 newcomers. Maybe I'm just dumb?

That was a fan theory.
Which might be true, but it wouldn't exactly be a leap to assume that we're getting an FE rep, a Zelda rep (though I kind of doubt it), Palutena, and Ridley.

 

[Wolfie557]

Someone should inform gamexplain about that tweet. If anyone can find the hidden info in the nintendo direct it's them..

YES LETS MAKE THIS A CHALLENGE FOR HIM :D

That was a fan theory.
Which might be true, but it wouldn't exactly be a leap to assume that we're getting an FE rep, a Zelda rep (though I kind of doubt it), Palutena, and Ridley.

the palutena part is. total tease .........total. considering the attention she has been getting from sakurai........KI series in general :D

 

[KingBroly]

for all we know bayonetta can be in this game

Well...Zero Suit Samus is in the game...

 

[SuperNintendoDisney]

You still believe in the Sal Romano leak? Wow. Get over yourself. See? It works both ways. I don't mean to be rude to you towards your opinion, but you shouldn't be rude toward people who do not believe.

Another juvenile response. Its at least feasible to support the ONLY leak that has a sliver of credibility, while other cling to every single other obvious phony leak in hopes of their character making the cut

This is a joke response. You play as neither of the characters you mentioned and the Animal Crossing avatar was what they looked at first. Get out of here with that mess.

Right, since if you can never play as them then they can't get in, such as Ganon, Wii Fit Trainer, Zelda and even the Pokemon (who you don't play as), among plenty other non-playables who made the cut

Nice try, but you are the one making the mess

I am honestly fairly convinced of the Sal Romano leak, but they way you're talking to people is just uncalled for. I actually remember a while ago you started doing this same thing after Little Mac was confirmed. Weren't you chased off this thread?

No, I rarely visit this forum. Besides, I'm not being mean just realistic. I shouldn't have to sugar-coat everything

 

[DiZ0X]

I don't think he said that. Here is the tweet:

http://www.gonintendo.com/s/225879-...ay-s-smash-bros-direct-is-hiding-a-few-things

IMO, he could have just been talking about things like the Blue Shell.

What if this just meant the things shown that weren't commented on? (blue shell, Samurai Goroh, etc.)

 

[MasterofMonster]

@ SuperNintendoDisney
While I agree with you that that Leak is very possible to be true, even more so now, I do recommend you explain it a Little 'nicer'. ^^ Just saying.

Really, there's enough unecessary arguments on the internet as it is.

 

[Whit]

Another juvenile response. Its at least feasible to support the ONLY leak that has a sliver of credibility, while other cling to every single other obvious phony leak in hopes of their character making the cut
Right, since if you can never play as them then they can't get in, such as Ganon, Wii Fit Trainer, Zelda and even the Pokemon (who you don't play as), among plenty other non-playables who made the cut

Nice try, but you are the one making the mess

I am honestly fairly convinced of the Sal Romano leak, but they way you're talking to people is just uncalled for. I actually remember a while ago you started doing this same thing after Little Mac was confirmed. Weren't you chased off this thread?

 

[EmbersToAshes]

Sorry, can't find the original mention of this: what is the full line-up of the Sal Romano leak? I'm pretty much on the side of this being legit, considering the amount he got correct, and the unlikelihood of nailing WFT.

 

[Luigi#1]

Another juvenile response. Its at least feasible to support the ONLY leak that has a sliver of credibility, while other cling to every single other obvious phony leak in hopes of their character making the cut
Right, since if you can never play as them then they can't get in, such as Ganon, Wii Fit Trainer, Zelda and even the Pokemon (who you don't play as), among plenty other non-playables who made the cut

Nice try, but you are the one making the mess

1. How the heck is that a juvenile response at all? Because anybody who doesn't agree with you is juvenile? If that's so, it appears SOMEONE here is juvenile.

2. If there is a playable character of the series, they show up first and are of higher ptiority. In Wii Fit who do you play as and a TRAINER as a Pokemon rep. As in the Trainer itself fighting? No. Ganondorf and Zelda got in after Link.

Also adding- It's not like if he saw the characters he wouldn't know the name because in battle and in the character selection screen there is a name in under the icon. He should have known Villager and Greninja.

 

[lilt]

Question: Is Rhythm Heaven popular enough to be considered in Smash with a fully playable character? I never heard from that game. I really hope that "SalRomano" leak is wrong. I thought we got our miscellaneous characters with WFT and Villager?

Question answered

 

[TheAnvil]

I don't know if I believe the second Sal leak. It's not unheard of for leakers to try and extend their 5 minutes of fame by posting gloried predictions after their initial info is out. I always thought that due to the nature/timing of the first leak, that someone had managed to see their e3 info and leaked it which caused Nintendo to change their announce plans (or something else changed their minds). This leak is out of the blue, features mostly characters that everyone has been assuming are in and one that's "out there". It looks like "just another leak". Especially that Greninja was announced that day, why not say "Greninja" or be descriptive if the leaker didn't know his name. The context and wording made it sound like a Kalos pokemon trainer "pokemon from x and y".

I genuinely believe the first Sal leak, this second one I don't. At least not yet, we need more to go on (I also don't believe that they'd add both Shulk AND Chrom, 2 sword using newcomers? Not likely).

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I also rewatched the direct earlier, and am further convinced that Ridley is playable after seeing the way the shadow is moving, no way is that not being controlled by a human.
And am definitely wondering if Balloon Fighter will be our Retro rep this time. He's been considered in the past and he's also got a stage this time around. They don't ordinarily put stages in for franchises that don't have playable reps (Animal Crossing on Brawl is the only exception but at the time that was a huge franchise that Sakurai didn't see a viable playable rep for).

 

[Shroob]

Sorry, can't find the original mention of this: what is the full line-up of the Sal Romano leak? I'm pretty much on the side of this being legit, considering the amount he got correct, and the unlikelihood of nailing WFT.

Merging both leaks together, you get:

Pac-Man
Little Mac
Villager
Mii
Megaman
Wii Fit Trainer

Part 2:

"X and Y Pokemon"
Palutena
Shulk
Chrom
Rhythm Heaven Choir Kids

 

[TheUnsullied]

Ok I'll put it like this and be done..

The reveal/confirmation of Mii, Pac-man, Shulk, Palutena or Chrom does literally nothing toward proving any leaks... including the salromano leak... These characters are all so widely expected that it will fall into "well duh" territory if and when any of them is revealed. Now I don't personally believe that all 5 will make it, but it's really a coin flip as to which of them are included, so I'm lumping them together.
I would say (and have said) something similar if there was a leak that said CF, Ganon, and Ness are coming back.

The reveal of Marshal or "chorus men" would prove the salromano leak to me, and guarantee the rest of the chars.
Note, this is why we are arguing the Pokemon thing... if Greninja were listed by name or attributes, the leak would have been incredibly solid.

As it is, I stand by the belief that the leaker knew the 3 e3 characters and guessed the rest for whatever reason. I have no real reason to believe otherwise until a less obvious character is guessed/revealed.

I don't understand how people can dismiss the Sal leak by denouncing it as a simple guess.
To me, to guess 3 newcomers -- One being the Wii Fit Trainer and the other The Villager -- for a game that was only rumored to be announced at last year's E3 is too far beyond the realm of chance. This person obviously has insider information.

 

[Shroob]

I don't know if I believe the second Sal leak. It's not unheard of for leakers to try and extend their 5 minutes of fame by posting gloried predictions after their initial info is out. I always thought that due to the nature/timing of the first leak, that someone had managed to see their e3 info and leaked it which caused Nintendo to change their announce plans (or something else changed their minds). This leak is out of the blue, features mostly characters that everyone has been assuming are in and one that's "out there". It looks like "just another leak". Especially that Greninja was announced that day, why not say "Greninja" or be descriptive if the leaker didn't know his name. The context and wording made it sound like a Kalos pokemon trainer "pokemon from x and y".

I genuinely believe the first Sal leak, this second one I don't. At least not yet, we need more to go on (I also don't believe that they'd add both Shulk AND Chrom, 2 sword using newcomers? Not likely).

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I also rewatched the direct earlier, and am further convinced that Ridley is playable after seeing the way the shadow is moving, no way is that not being controlled by a human.
And am definitely wondering if Balloon Fighter will be our Retro rep this time. He's been considered in the past and he's also got a stage this time around. They don't ordinarily put stages in for franchises that don't have playable reps (Animal Crossing on Brawl is the only exception but at the time that was a huge franchise that Sakurai didn't see a viable playable rep for).

Did you forget the ElecPlankton stage in Brawl?

 

[SuperNintendoDisney]

1. How the heck is that a juvenile response at all? Because anybody who doesn't agree with you is juvenile? If that's so, it appears SOMEONE here is juvenile.

2. If there is a playable character of the series, they show up first and are of higher ptiority. In Wii Fit who do you play as and a TRAINER as a Pokemon rep. As in the Trainer itself fighting? No. Ganondorf and Zelda got in after Link.

1. It avoids actually responding to my post by creating a straw-man type argument and is in truth just a distraction to the real issue

2. In Wii Fit, you play as yourself, not the trainer. The Pokemon are not technically playable in their original games, you just command them, you play as, that's right, yourself in the Pokemon games. Lastly, its irrelevant that Ganon and Zelda got in after Link, because they are still never playable in Zelda games (you are avoiding the issue of them not being playable by creating another argument that they got in after Link, [which is irrelevant to the debate] that's a straw-man understand)

 

[EmbersToAshes]

Merging both leaks together, you get:

Pac-Man
Little Mac
Villager
Mii
Megaman
Wii Fit Trainer

Part 2:

"X and Y Pokemon"
Palutena
Shulk
Chrom
Rhythm Heaven Choir Kids

Cheers mate,

Yeah, seems rather unlikely he'd manage to get so many nailed on, especially when you consider how unlikely WFT was, and to an extent, Villager. I'm not really reading too much Into the vagueness around the pokemon - it's reasonable to believe that he simply wasn't given specifics by his source (likely to protect himself), and his previous correct characters give me enough reason to let that slip.

 

[Luigi#1]

I don't understand how people don't see how incredibly unlikely it is that someone would just simply guess 3 correct newcomers -- One of them being the Wii Fit Trainer and the other being The Villager -- for a game that was only rumored to be announced at last years E3.

The last part isn't a reason at all because tons were speculating. So it's impossible for one person on the entire internet to correctly guess 3 newcomers. Out of 6? The leaky 3 was hit hard when only 3 were in E3, and killed when Little Mac was in the Direct.

 

[Shroob]

The last part isn't a reason at all because tons were speculating. So it's impossible for one person on the entire internet to correctly guess 3 newcomers. Out of 6? The leaky 3 was hit hard when only 3 were in E3, and killed when Little Mac was in the Direct.

And yet Miis and Pac-Man are more likely now than ever.

 

[SuperNintendoDisney]

Its important to remember that the second batch of characters wasn't mentioned to be playable, only that they would appear somehow in the game. They could be Assist Trophies

The last part isn't a reason at all because tons were speculating. So it's impossible for one person on the entire internet to correctly guess 3 newcomers. Out of 6? The leaky 3 was hit hard when only 3 were in E3, and killed when Little Mac was in the Direct.

So what? Just because they weren't in the Direct, doesn't mean its debunked, and Little Mac's reveal doesn't "kill" it, only makes it stronger. People forget that Sal never said they would all be shown, the Original post ON NEOGAF was something like "My unlikely predictions: "WFT, Animal Crossing Guy, Pac-Man, Mega-Man, Little Mac, Mii." That's all

 

[TheTuninator]

Another juvenile response. Its at least feasible to support the ONLY leak that has a sliver of credibility, while other cling to every single other obvious phony leak in hopes of their character making the cut
Right, since if you can never play as them then they can't get in, such as Ganon, Wii Fit Trainer, Zelda and even the Pokemon (who you don't play as), among plenty other non-playables who made the cut

Nice try, but you are the one making the mess
No, I rarely visit this forum. Besides, I'm not being mean just realistic. I shouldn't have to sugar-coat everything

Don't be rude.

I don't understand how people can dismiss the Sal leak by denouncing it as a simple guess.
To me, to guess 3 newcomers -- One being the Wii Fit Trainer and the other The Villager -- for a game that was only rumored to be announced at last year's E3 is too far beyond the realm of chance. This person obviously has insider information.

I personally believe that he probably found out about WFT somehow, but I'm very skeptical of his second wave of leaks and even potentially his other 3 predictions due to the inaccurate and sometimes vague nature of his predictions.

"Pokemon from X & Y" really just sounds like something from a bad 4chan "leak". There's no explanation for why he'd be so vague other than somebody deliberately withholding that particular information somewhere along the chain.

 

[Duster72]

That was a fan theory.
Which might be true, but it wouldn't exactly be a leap to assume that we're getting an FE rep, a Zelda rep (though I kind of doubt it), Palutena, and Ridley.

I think you mean Chrom, Ghirahim, Palutena, and………………………

Spoiler: Ridley

 

[Luigi#1]

1. It avoids actually responding to my post by creating a straw-man type argument and is in truth just a distraction to the real issue

2. In Wii Fit, you play as yourself, not the trainer. The Pokemon are not technically playable in their original games, you just command them, you play as, that's right, yourself in the Pokemon games. Lastly, its irrelevant that Ganon and Zelda got in after Link, because they are still never playable in Zelda games (you are avoiding the issue of them not being playable by creating another argument that they got in after Link, [which is irrelevant to the debate] that's a straw-man understand)

That first sentence lol.

YOU
DO SOMETHING IN!

The Pokemon argument literally goes for every single playable character. You just command them to move.
My point with Link is that if a potential non playable character got in, the potential playable character [and not yourself] gets in first. Which relates to how Villager would get in first.

 

[Wolfie557]

I don't understand how people can dismiss the Sal leak by denouncing it as a simple guess.
To me, to guess 3 newcomers -- One being the Wii Fit Trainer and the other The Villager -- for a game that was only rumored to be announced at last year's E3 is too far beyond the realm of chance. This person obviously has insider information.

meh everyone knew the game will be shown off. lol.
though I agree ONLY on the WFT part.....still.....I WANT the leaker to be wrong a few times......

 

[Extrain]

1. How the heck is that a juvenile response at all? Because anybody who doesn't agree with you is juvenile? If that's so, it appears SOMEONE here is juvenile.

2. If there is a playable character of the series, they show up first and are of higher ptiority. In Wii Fit who do you play as and a TRAINER as a Pokemon rep. As in the Trainer itself fighting? No. Ganondorf and Zelda got in after Link.

Also adding- It's not like if he saw the characters he wouldn't know the name because in battle and in the character selection screen there is a name in under the icon. He should have known Villager and Greninja.

Like I've said, you have no idea how he is getting his information or at what point in the game development (if he's a game tester) if he's playing it. You don't know how educated he is in pokemon, what language he speaks, etc. The possibilities are endless and I'll nitpick since you're starting to.

 

[SuperNintendoDisney]

That first sentence lol.

YOU
DO SOMETHING IN!

The Pokemon argument literally goes for every single playable character. You just command them to move.
My point with Link is that if a potential non playable character got in, the potential playable character [and not yourself] gets in first. Which relates to how Villager would get in first.

What are you even talking about

No, the Pokemon argument is solid, you play AS MARIO, AS LINK in their games. For POKEMON, you play AS THE TRAINER

Like I've said, you have no idea how he is getting his information or at what point in the game development (if he's a game tester) if he's playing it. You don't know how educated he is in pokemon, what language he speaks, etc. The possibilities are endless and I'll nitpick since you're starting to.

I agree. Like I said, the only way people are coming up with ways to debunk the leak are nitpicking and weak logic

 

[Deleted member]

Ah, that's true. How would that even work if he is seeing them visually? Oh well.

A trio, perhaps.

 

[Duster72]

I genuinely believe the first Sal leak, this second one I don't. At least not yet, we need more to go on (I also don't believe that they'd add both Shulk AND Chrom, 2 sword using newcomers? Not likely).

And am definitely wondering if Balloon Fighter will be our Retro rep this time. He's been considered in the past and he's also got a stage this time around. They don't ordinarily put stages in for franchises that don't have playable reps (Animal Crossing on Brawl is the only exception but at the time that was a huge franchise that Sakurai didn't see a viable playable rep for).

First off, if you believe that Chrom and Shulk would play similarly at all, you've clearly never played either game. Second of all, they introduced three sword-users in both Melee and Brawl. Weapon has nothing to do with it, especially considering one is literally a laser sword.

Also, Balloon Fighter is unlikely, given Villager's recovery. What else could the Balloon Fighter do?

 

[Shroob]

Probably not worth anything, but Tomodachi Collection is coming stateside it seems.