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I don't disagree with the premise that characters are the heart and soul of the game. Hell, my purchase of this game depends on the fate of singular characters, because without them, Melee and Brawl satisfy me perfectly well. I think it's bull**** to compare fluff like stages, modes, items, gameplay and the like to characters at all, considering how few people would care about any of that had Smash stayed Dragon King back in 1999. I've been mad at the creation of the 3DS version for a while now, business reasons be damned, considering how much more content could be packed into the console version without it.
Now you're talking about the identity of newcomers instead of the quantity of them, which is a different topic and one I agree with. Theoretically, popular characters like those three make it easier for gamers to overlook a smaller newcomer count overall (or a s****y overall group of newcomers like Melee's), while you could flood the game with dozens of Sables and Kawashimas without those three, and people would be irate nevertheless.
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Experimenting with the adjustments the characters have received, remastering the skills, playing with friends.
That doesn't really make sense. If Snake was intended to be the only third party, why did he say that there would be one to two more third party characters after Snake? Why not just come out and say that he's the only third party character in the game? Or be vague about whether we would see any other third parties, much like this time with Mega Man? Yes, he had the roster decided back in 2006 and Sonic wasn't added until later. But again, why say there would be 1-2 more unless he was considering adding at least one more at a later date? Perhaps he wanted to see which third parties were the most popular before he decided which to go after. And as we all know, Sonic was the most popular, followed by Mega Man. He got Sonic into Brawl (though it cost us the seven) and now Mega Man is in the fourth game.
Project M is not a real game. It's an adaptation of a pre-existing game. It doesn't have to worry about sales. All of the core work was done by professionals through Melee and Brawl. You're comparing what is basically a remake to a sequel, and ignoring that there are no business issues involved in one.
Those who say characters don't matter have got at least 12 new characters every new installment of the game. Brawl got what, 16? I would be extremely interested to see their reaction if Mega Man, Villager and Wii Fit Trainer end up being the only newcomers. The truth is that everyone who's saying "the roster doesn't matter" is still expecting a big roster. It's easy to talk like that.
What I was saying was simply that a ton of these potential newcomers aren't worth cutting the Brawl characters for in the big image, and if we're getting about 12 newcomers, then there will likely be cuts because of that. That's why it makes sense to include few newcomers, but really make those choices count for the majority of people, not only because it'd be stupid to cut any Brawl character just to get middle grounders like Bowser Jr, Waddle Dee and Isaac, but also for balancing purposes. That doesn't only mean the Elite Four + Mewtwo, even characters like Pac-Man and Mii, despite controversial, would count as something big.
What I said was not meant to imply any sort of devaluation of the work. From what I've seen of it, I am impressed. But it's just not a good way to compare what a real, published game has to have for it. The people who work on a real game are not just fans, it's their livelihood. They have to appeal to a wider audience than just those in a, as Shortiecanbrawl said, very niche group. As an example, I have played Smash since 64, and have eagerly awaited each sequel. But I won't even bother to buy an SD card to play it. And yet Project M doesn't need my interest. It doesn't matter if no one makes a cent off it. No one is expecting a profit from it. There are no execs breathing down their necks.
And anyone as narrow-minded as you is WRONG. I don't really care about Little Mac or Ridley being in, though I hope they do for the sake of their fans. And I think we should get Dixie before K. Rool, but I think he'd be a cool addition.
Considering that there won't be a Subspace Emissary-like mode this time around, a lot of time, effort, and money is now freed up. This means that we could not only have all of Brawl's cast back, but maybe even 15 newconmers in total, 3 of them being semi-clones.
You're right about the lack of a SSE giving the game some more time to have more characters. But all characters returning + 15 newcomers?
Why would they cut characters just because they've reached 60? Not that it matters, because that's a VERY long ways away, but still... why cut any character at all?
If it's a mere clone character, like more or less why Pichu, Dr. Mario, Young Link, and Roy were pushed to the side or scrapped in favor of bigger things.
Unless they stop spending a lot of development time on new unique features to the gameplay as a whole, they are most likely going to need to cut characters at some point. There is such thing as too many characters in a fighting game that takes two years to make, but has two hundred characters to program.
See, I never understood why Nintendo thought Smash Bros would fail as a franchise because of this. I've read interviews about the development of the first Smash Bros and I'm just utterly floored by the lack of confidence they had in the game. "I don't know guys... we're just bringing the wet dream of every Nintendo fan on the planet to life and creating an alternative gameplay style to every other fighting game out there... I don't know if people will buy it or not." Hell, originally the game was supposed to be a Japanese exclusive despite the fact that every 10 year old since 1988 has had the "who would win, Mario or Link" debate in the lunch room at least once.
What? There's nothing left?
