I said grounded spin dash you dunderhead. Aerial spindash loses to anything.Just not going to argue anymore about PKT. If it works for me, it works for me. Not going to convince anyone anyways ,especially if they refuse to try it.
Just saying though, if PKFire hits Sonic, yes, he can Up-B, but it still puts Sonic in a bad position, especially if Sonic is near the edge. Sonic risks the option of getting hit by PKT2 and PKT after the PK Fire is (almost) guaranteed. That is between 13%-18%ish damage you can do to him from a PK Fire. ofc you can't grab, oh well, you don't go for grabs on a Zelda, you do either another PK Fire or PKT on her to deal more damage. You don't go for grabs on Falcon/Greninja/Little Mac because they can Jab or in Mac's case, he can Counter. PK Thunder after the PK Fire *works*. Sure you are not doing 30-40% on Sonic, but you are doing damage. All damage counts.
Edit: You are wrong @ Seagull Joe . Forgot that almost all aerials beats it lol. Actually the Tail of PKT does beat out Spin Dash.