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[U-Throw]

I personally never understood why people say that Pokémon designs are becoming worse and worse. I mean, yes, there are some bad Pokémon designs, but it's not like they're just concentrated in one Generation. For example, I've seen a bunch of people hate on the likes of Garbodor and Trubbish for being uncreative, but Generation 1 had Muk and Grimer, both of which were literally animated blobs of purple goop.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't really see how Pokémon designs have been degrading or whatever.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Here's some cutesy, simplistic gen one designs.

Here's some more detailed, less cutesy gen six designs.

I think this should settle that argument.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I personally never understood why people say that Pokémon designs are becoming worse and worse. I mean, yes, there are some bad Pokémon designs, but it's not like they're just concentrated in one Generation. For example, I've seen a bunch of people hate on the likes of Garbodor and Trubbish for being uncreative, but Generation 1 had Muk and Grimer, both of which were literally animated blobs of purple goop.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't really see how Pokémon designs have been degrading or whatever.

The previous generations were always simple and elegant, the newer generations are overly detailed and unnecessary.

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[Schnee117]

I personally never understood why people say that Pokémon designs are becoming worse and worse. I mean, yes, there are some bad Pokémon designs, but it's not like they're just concentrated in one Generation. For example, I've seen a bunch of people hate on the likes of Garbodor and Trubbish for being uncreative, but Generation 1 had Muk and Grimer, both of which were literally animated blobs of purple goop.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't really see how Pokémon designs have been degrading or whatever.

Nostalgia can be blinding to some. Some people did grow up with the likes of Voltorb and Grimer so there's a special place in their hearts.

I do it with the TMNT 2003 series. Favourite bit of TMNT media because I remember turning on Jetix all the time for that and Sonic X (which I liked).
Also explains my Darth Vader fanboyism considering I loved watching the original trilogy when I was 2.

 

[ZephyrZ]

The previous generations were always simple and elegant, the newer generations are overly detailed and unnecessary.

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Some designs are a lot more detailed then any gen 1 pokemon, but that's not true for all of them. These three pokemon, for instance, are moderately detailed at most.

And being heavily detailed doesn't necessarily make a design bad; that's purely up to personal preference. I'm really a huge fan of Clawziter.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Some designs are a lot more detailed then any gen 1 pokemon, but that's not true for all of them. These three pokemon, for instance, are moderately detailed at most.

And being heavily detailed doesn't necessarily make a design bad; that's purely up to personal preference. I'm really a huge fan of Clawziter.

I would agree with you, but most of the designs there are fairly forgettable. Greninja is super popular because he's not overly detailed while being able to still have an interesting concept behind him. Blue cat? Seems too Familiar. Key ring? Pretty good idea but poorly executed. This original thing? ehhhh.

This is the general consensus that goes with the new Pokemon. You take certain Pokemon like Greninja, Samurott, and so on and stick them with gen 1-3 and they fit quite nicely. Those 3 above? Maybe the cat. Other two? Nahhh.

These aren't particularly my views but I can definitely understand why people complain. I, personally, take each Pokemon game as something totally different than the previous entries, minimizing the Pokemon I catch from previous generations. As long as I play it that way they can have a ****ing shoe with googly eyes and I wouldn't give a ****.

 

[Igzex]

Mewtwo is in gen 1 so therefore gen 1 has the best designs

 

[ZephyrZ]

Well, I guess I'm not going to deny that Sugimori's art style has changed over the years. The over all feel of Pokemon has changed a little bit, and I suppose that's throwing older fans off a little. I've always been open to change, however, so long as it doesn't do things to mess up pokemon I love (you'll probably see me complain about underwhelming or ugly new Megas then you'll see me complaining about a regular Pokemon I don't like).

I guess what bugs me is when people focus on complaining about the designs they don't like. I hate Mr.Mime, Jynx, Gloom, Nidoqueen, Hitmonlee, Seaking, and Electabuzz in design, but I'm never bashing Gen 1 over that or making general statements based off of a couple of bad eggs.

My only problem with Gen 6 is it's lack of variety. Because there's less Pokemon, there's less potential designs in there for me to love. It's the same problem I have with Johto, actually.

 

[MewtwoX825]

I personally never understood why people say that Pokémon designs are becoming worse and worse. I mean, yes, there are some bad Pokémon designs, but it's not like they're just concentrated in one Generation. For example, I've seen a bunch of people hate on the likes of Garbodor and Trubbish for being uncreative, but Generation 1 had Muk and Grimer, both of which were literally animated blobs of purple goop.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't really see how Pokémon designs have been degrading or whatever.

Its not that all the new pokemon designs are becoming worse, its just the bad designs and concepts are becoming more common with the newer gens and gen 6 stands out cause there isn't a lot of pokemon in that generation.

Gen 1 has it share of bad designs but through nostolgia eyes the cartoony aspects made them likeable. They tried to replicate this in gen 5 but what we got instead were half the pokemon being literal ripoffs of G1 pokes like Audino/Chansey, Timbur/Machop, and Genesect/Mewtwo. To me the Gen 5 pokemon look like they were designed by the people who make those whack monster app games.

 

[Metallinatus]

Changing a little bit the focus; I freaking hate the current Pikachu's design.... at least comparing it to what it was.... it is just.. no.
Talking about my own experience, I loved gen 1 and 3.... but I didn't like gen 2 and hated gen 4.... that last one is really specially bad in my opinion.
But after that I didn't get time to keep watching the anime and never got a DS nor a 3DS to play the new games, so I never even bothered taking a close look to the new generations.... although I would say that they don't look as inspired as 1 and 3.
But I won't say that they are "running out of creativity".... come on, you can only create a limited amount of Pokémon.... look at all the designs we already have and think how hard it might be to create a Pokémon that doesn't make you think "oh, another one like that?" while at the same time not escaping completely from the characteristic style of the Pokémon? It already escaped a lot because there were just that much Pokémon they could do in the original style while keeping them different.... which is why the Pokémon style definitely changed over the generations.
They are not running out of creativity, they are running out of space to make different Pokémon that looks and feels like Pokémon....
....if that makes any sense. Did my thought get through you?

 

[ZephyrZ]

It's not really possible to run out of possibilities for a certain style, though. There are still plenty of other things they probably could of done with Sugimori's old art style. Heck, if all else fails, just take something and fuse it with a dinosaur. Scyther is a praying mantis fused with a Velociraptor. Nidoking is a dinosaur with with a giant horn and elephant ears. Kangaskhan is a dinosaur mixed with a kangaroo. Lickitung is a pink dinosaur with a huge tongue. If you're able to make that many unique Pokemon with the outdated upright dinosaur as a base, why wouldn't you be able to make more?

I think the reason current designs feel so different is just that Sugimori's artistic style has changed over time as he improved in certain areas or start picking up trends in others. Artist can really change over the years, and Sugimori has been working on Pokemon for over 20. It's no wonder that people feel like the current generation of pokemon don't feel like the old ones.

 

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I think a lot of it also has to do with him not being in charge of every Pokemon design these days. Aside from Starters, Legendaries and a few outliers like Lucario, a lot of Pokemon are created by guest artists. ex. I think Bonsly was a fan submission.

For Gen 6, I know that Hitoshi Ariga (who I get my avatars from) created the Honedge line, Inkay line, Fossil Pokemon, Pangoro, and Mega Beedrill.


Would import the Ken Sugimori artbook if you really want to see how he's changed over the years. It's also a lot of fun when he posts random artwork on his Twitter account.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Gen VI does have some pretty simplistic designs, but honestly, I feel like they went with quality over quantity. You want bizarrely overdesigned? Sigilyph

 

[Rhus]

Hey Mewtwo fans!

Just dropping in to let you know I'll be hanging around your forum a little more now. I love Mewtwo very very much but was discouraged playing him due to the number of characters I've been trying to decide on who to second at the moment. I main Fox in every smash game, and second Ness in every game except this one.

Otherwise, I've been jumping around Robin/Pit/Mewtwo frequently because I love all of their characters very much. Mewtwo is a character that I've always enjoyed playing but I have really had a hard time unlocking his potential in this game. I just went to a local and had some alright matches with him and it made me want to play him more. I realize he definitely has his flaws but I would love to improve on my Mewtwo.

Anyway, look forward to chatting with you all! If you have any preliminary tips to a budding Mewtwo player I would love to hear any advice you can give.

 

[ThePsychoWolf]

Oh, great, the "new pokemon designs are bad/look like Digimon/they're running out of ideas" bull**** again.

I am Kanto born and raised, started playing in 199-****ing-8, and I have yet to see anything stupider than Exeggcute/Exeggutor. It's a clutch of eggs/seeds that evolves into a walking, derpfaced coconut tree. Stupid as hell.
But I love Red and Blue, Gen I is probably my favorite overall, and I would even love 3DS re-remakes of the Kanto games for the 20th anniversary next year.
But anyone who doesn't like Hydreigon, Volcarona, Serperior, Noivern, or Tyrantrum cannot be my friend.
Hell, the fact that it took them nearly 20 years to finally give us a T-rex fossil pokemon proves that they are far from 'running out of ideas'.

 

[pikazz]

I love how many saying "gen1 has the best pokemons" which I really dont agree on. heck we have 3 blobs there 2 of them are in the same familiy, magnets and eggs there one is cracked open. I do understand the consept if you understand japanese folkculture cause most pokemon from gen1 to gen6 are based of Yukais and other folklure

however, many dont know the japanese folkculture and since the "gen 1 was the first gen", those pokemon gave the the pokemon a "template" of how pokemon should look like and since there are new pokemon coming in each gen, they think that those pokemon doesnt fit the template as Gen1 gave, but many (if not all) pokemon fits as being a pokemon!

I am 99% sure that if Gen6 pokemon was the gen1 pokemon (like X and Y was released first before Red and Blue), many would love the pokemon in X and Y while they would hate the Red and Blue pokemons

 

[U-Throw]

Hey Mewtwo fans!

Just dropping in to let you know I'll be hanging around your forum a little more now. I love Mewtwo very very much but was discouraged playing him due to the number of characters I've been trying to decide on who to second at the moment. I main Fox in every smash game, and second Ness in every game except this one.

Otherwise, I've been jumping around Robin/Pit/Mewtwo frequently because I love all of their characters very much. Mewtwo is a character that I've always enjoyed playing but I have really had a hard time unlocking his potential in this game. I just went to a local and had some alright matches with him and it made me want to play him more. I realize he definitely has his flaws but I would love to improve on my Mewtwo.

Anyway, look forward to chatting with you all! If you have any preliminary tips to a budding Mewtwo player I would love to hear any advice you can give.

Welcome to the Mewtwo forums! I look forward to you joining! As for tips, I'll give you a follow-up to Mewtwo's D-Throw. It's not a true combo, but it is a good follow-up if the opponent doesn't know what they're doing. It's "D-Throw > Disable." If you D-Throw the opponent and they proceed airdodge and land, then use Disable to stun them as they land. I hope that makes sense! As I said before, it's not a true combo, but it's really helpful if the opponent doesn't know Mewtwo can stun him as he lands.

 

[meleebrawler]

Changing a little bit the focus; I freaking hate the current Pikachu's design.... at least comparing it to what it was.... it is just.. no.

I think Pikachu's older design was made the way it was because it wasn't meant to be a standout character, really just another Pokemon that happens to look like a mouse. Yet as it's fame sharply rose it's design gradually changed to make it seem more... anthropomorphized to make it seem more like an actual character.

Whether you like Pikachu's older or newer designs better though, I think most of us can agree Mewtwo losing his bobblehead
made him more badass.

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

Mewtwo's design change was definitely an improvement. I never realized before that his Melee design didn't age very well until I saw it compared to Smash 4's Mewtwo.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Mewtwo's design change was definitely an improvement. I never realized before that his Melee design didn't age very well until I saw it compared to Smash 4's Mewtwo.

Mewtwo's design definitely went through changes in the game series. His current design looks very similar to the anime series and it is a huge improvement. The old design was just ok but it looked too much like an alien rather than a scientifically created Pokemon.

As for Pikachu, I'm fine with its design change but it definitely looked cuter when it was more chubby and not so slender.

2013 looks more like a rabbit than an electric mouse to me now.

 

[MewtwoX825]

Mewtwo's design change was definitely an improvement. I never realized before that his Melee design didn't age very well until I saw it compared to Smash 4's Mewtwo.

I think most of us can agree Mewtwo losing his bobblehead
made him more badass.

Yea that's the only reason I hate the Project M Mewtwo.

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

I personally find nothing wrong with current Chu but I agree that the original design was cuter

 

[U-Throw]

Yea that's the only reason I hate the Project M Mewtwo.

I actually used to play a lot of Project M before Smash came out, and I can agree with this. Initially, Project M Mewtwo looked perfectly fine to me, but, after seeing Smash 4 Mewtwo, P:M's is kind of hard to look at.

Also, I agree with Ryu Myuutsu on Pikachu's modern design. I don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with it, but I do think that the original design is quite a bit cuter.

 

[MewtwoX825]

Fat Pikachu all the way. In other news their re-releasing Diance from july 25-27 for some reason.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Fat Pikachu all the way. In other news their re-releasing Diance from july 25-27 for some reason.

Simple! Some people might have missed out so it's their second chance

 

[Champ Gold]

Mewtwo's design change was definitely an improvement. I never realized before that his Melee design didn't age very well until I saw it compared to Smash 4's Mewtwo.

Same for as well.
Also I love how went with his modern design in Smash 4.

I'm gonna save this now, everyone in Smash 4 looks incredible

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

Already got a Diancie.
Oh, and the people who saw the trailer for the new pokemon movie say that the giant pokemon silhouette has pulsating hexagons around it's body. Pretty much confirmed to be Zygarde at this point.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Already got a Diancie.
Oh, and the people who saw the trailer for the new pokemon movie say that the giant pokemon silhouette has pulsating hexagons around it's body. Pretty much confirmed to be Zygarde at this point.

Someone also took a picture (naughtynaughty!) and showed it has antlers and claws like Xerneas and Yveltal

 

[MewtwoX825]

Simple! Some people might have missed out so it's their second chance

True. Plus now people who got it before can have one in ORAS and X/Y. It just struck me as odd cause this is the first I've seen them re-release a mystic event pokemon after one year.

 

[Schnee117]

Zygarde's new forme will most likely be a Ragnarok reference.

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

Same for as well.
Also I love how went with his modern design in Smash 4.

I'm gonna save this now, everyone in Smash 4 looks incredible

Yes indeed.

Melee Roy: "Man, this kid is starving! Quick, somebody hand him a sandwich! Introduce him to a better wardrobe while you are at it."
Smash 4 Roy: "Woah, this guy's been working out and finally got some fashion sense to boot"

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Zygarde's new forme will most likely be a Ragnarok reference.

Zygarde's got the same legendary theme as Xerneas and Yveltal and is the Order pokemon. This that if there is too much life, Zygarde will kill to regain order...I THOUGHT THIS WAS FOR KIDS!

 

[Schnee117]

Zygarde's got the same legendary theme as Xerneas and Yveltal and is the Order pokemon. This that if there is too much life, Zygarde will kill to regain order...I THOUGHT THIS WAS FOR KIDS!

Ragnarok is the event from Norse myth/legend where the world effectively get's reset with many of the Norse Gods dying.

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

I understand that the three legendaries are tied with three mystical figures of Norse legends, but I wonder if they would even go as deep as Ragnarok considering that there hasn't been a pokemon representation of Odin, Fenrir, Hel, etc.



Ragnarok. Always a nice ring to it. I just hope Thor Ragnarok gets to be a good movie for a change. I mean, it has Ragnarok attached as a subtitle, anything with that word is supposed to be epic, right?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Ragnarok is the event from Norse myth/legend where the world effectively get's reset with many of the Norse Gods dying.

Which kind of makes sense, if nothing lives, nothing dies! Zygarde's more deep than we thought!

 

[MewtwoX825]

Someone also took a picture (naughtynaughty!) and showed it has antlers and claws like Xerneas and Yveltal

Trio fusion confirmed?...

Yes indeed.

Melee Roy: "Man, this kid is starving! Quick, somebody hand him a sandwich! Introduce him to a better wardrobe while you are at it."
Smash 4 Roy: "Woah, this guy's been working out and finally got some fashion sense to boot"

Simple, Hes been working out with Ike at the gym.

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

By the way, I named my Zapdos Mjolnir. I'm always willing to give mythological names to my pokeymanz.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Trio fusion confirmed?...


Simple, Hes been Working out with Ike at the gym.

I doubt it's a fusion as Zygarde's wings either are just giant shoulders or are wings that outright don't fit Yveltal, the antlers also are in a different shape than Xerneas, meaning this is unlikely. I didn't like the need to fuse Kyurem

 

[MewtwoX825]

Zygarde base form = Nidhogg serpent

Zygarde New/Mega = Midgard serpent?

 

[Schnee117]

Zygarde base form- Nidhogg serpent

Zygarde New/Mega- Midgard serpent?

It'd be nice if it gained a Poison typing out of the Mega in place of the Dragon typing.
Needs something to counter Xerneas.