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This thread is devolving into that Mewtwo vs. Frieza style crap all over again.
Ike's Ragnell would certainly hurt Mewtwo...if he could hit him with it. As has been mentioned, Mewtwo could just freeze him in place and crack his mind open like a walnut. Next.
Ganondorf is a beast, no denying it. But if you have a fishing rod handy, the fight's in the bag.
While I am a massive Mewtwo fan, that is inaccurate.
Pit has fought against gods
Palutena is a Goddess
Super Sonic
Kirdy - Yes, he's ridiculous
Shulk - Don't want to spoil too much in case you haven't played Xenoblade
You mentioned Ganondorf and Link
Samus is a massive threat with all her available upgrades
And then there's meme Captain Falcon
being punched by a full strength falcon punch hurts. just ask our dear friend black shadow~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esY2zdIsKaI
(SPOILERS, by the way. you need to see this anime. wish this wasnt a meme as it spoils a really good anime. )
however it is so strong that it is a double edged sword.....
Ooh, arguments on who's canonically the strongest. This should be fun.
Alright, now I'll get talking about how tough Mewtwo is, not in the anime, but in the video games.
First things first; his base stat total. Mewtwo does very little inside of the games, so let's look at his equals as far as base stats go. Lugia can create massive storms just by flapping it's wings. That's why it's hiding out in a cave in the middle of the ocean; it doesn't want to cause too much damage. Ho-oh can literally bring back the dead. Just ask Entei, Raikou, and Suicune about it.
Palkia and Dialga have the power of time and space itself. Giratina is the sole inhabitant of an entire parallel universe.
Reshiram and Zekrom are stated to have the power to destroy the entire world with their fire and lightning if they so wished to do so. Good thing they're considered heroes, huh?
Xerneas is immortal and generates life energy, and Yveltal can extend it's life by absorbing the life energy of those around, literally taking away the lives of thousands all at once.
But that's without taking Mega Evolution into account. If you consider Mega Mewtwo Y's and X's base stats, you get even stronger the Arceus, a Pokemon who shown in-game to be capable of creating new life when it replicates Palkia, Dialga, or Giratina in a HGSS special event.
Primal Groudon and Kyogre are capable of completely transforming the Earth's climate into that of an eternal drought or an eternal storm. Mega Rayquaza is described to have incredible amounts of life energy, drain Primal Kyogre's/Groudon's energy and put them into a deep slumber, can fly to space in an instant, and destroy massive meteors like they're nothing(still needs to be taught Rock Smash in order to destroy small cracked boulders, though).
If you ignore how cheap these three Pokemon's abilities are(and how Rayquaza cheats by eating its Mega Stone so it doesn't need to take up an item slot), they're basically Mewtwo's equals.
I think it's pretty safe to say Mewtwo is at god-tier status.
Pit's actually really strong. He's stronger with Palutena's help for sure, but he's still tough with just his weapons. He's able to take out gods and goddess like Thanatos and Pandora without Palutena's help, and he eats underworld demons for breakfast(not literally).
When equipped with the Three Sacred Treasures, he's basically stronger then almost any god in the world of Uprising, with the exception of the ridiculously OP Hades.
Unfortunately, his Three Sacred Treasures broke, but he still has them in Smash.
Link is also severely overrated. Sure he can beat Ganon but that's basically all he would do, most people would defeat him easily.
Link is a funny one.
When it comes to raw power, there is a lot of focus on his Master Sword.
However, the Master Sword is very specialized. In most battles, it's suppose to be a cut above your average magic sword. But against demons, it's incredibly powerful.
He gets through most situation by feats of skill or craftiness as opposed to brute force.
He's definitely powerful, but it's his resourcefulness that is really his key trait. I'd agree hes not in the Smash roster's god tier.
Palutena is a Goddess, yes, but I feel like even in her own game canon she isn't THAT strong. I could be wrong about her but it seems like her powers are that of Mewtwo, only much weaker.
I think Palutena just isn't that strong compared to the other characters in Uprising surrounding her, especially since she hardly ever does the battling. It's pretty easy to underestimate her just because the focus is on all the characters.
Let's not forget that...
1) She's capable of destroying Hewdraw in a single blast of magic(though it takes some preperation).
2) She has a near-impenetrable Force Field protecting Skyworld.
3) She's Medusa's rival, and had defeating Medusa originally before the events of Kid Icarus for the NES.
4) When Pit landed the finishing blow on the all-powerful Hades, it was because of Palutena's power.
Pit, Palutena, Ganon, and Mewtwo are all at god-status, I'd say.
I don't want to spoil myself by reading about what makes Shulk so tough, but I suppose I'll take your word for it as well.
But if we also consider cut veterans, I'd say Pichu would have to take the cake as the toughest fighter.
...Man, this may be my longest post here in Smash Boards yet.
Mewtwo can mind control, brain wash, teleport mountains, destroy buildings with mere thoughts, create tornados, turn back time. This is all without taking into account that he can just explode someone's mind or levitate and constraint them infinitely, or, you know, just teleport them to space. He would definitely be top 3 if not the winner of an all fighter tournament.
-Mind control and brainwashing are the same thing. Perhaps you were referring to memory erasure? Though that wouldn't be very useful in a fight.
-Mewtwo never teleported mountains, he teleported the spring of a mountain to an underground location inside it.
-Only when Mewtwo had no control of his power could he haphazardly destroy buildings just by thinking.
Once he was in control of his power, it became clear that he needs to focus his psychic energy on an object before he can do anything with it first.
-Mewtwo didn't spawn tornados from nowhere; he used his psychic powers as means of weather manipulation to trigger a storm. A not-so instantaneous process that would prove useless in an actual fight since he isn't like Storm or Thor who have more capability in this field.
-Mewtwo never turned back time. Mewtwo erased the memories of those who encountered him and transported them to another location. As for the lab he built (which defies logic to begin with) on New Island....who's to say it's not buried underneath the ocean?
-The "exploding someone's mind" bull****, I never did get. Where does this even come from? Oh, he's got psychic powers so that automatically means he can go "*Poof* Your head explodes!"?
-Sure, Mewtwo can incapacitate his opponent by keeping them constrained.....but what good would that do? Mewtwo needs to focus to do that, so unless he follows up with say, a forceful slam into the wall/ground, that'd just be a standstill.
-Teleport people to space? Considering his opponents, a majority wouldn't be killed that way, so all that would do is....have Mewtwo "win" by the opponent not being able to fight? And if it's DK he sends into space, he better make damn sure he doesn't send DK anywhere near the moon....
And Palutena's a lot more powerful than you give her credit for.
Her capability is said to be on par with Medusa. If you're judging her by her boss fight, know that she was severely weakened due to fighting control from the Chaos Kin for a few years.
-The "exploding someone's mind" bull****, I never did get. Where does this even come from? Oh, he's got psychic powers so that automatically means he can go "*Poof* Your head explodes!"?
I'm bloody well aware that there are portrayals of an individual with psychic powers being able to literally blow someone's mind in other media.
That does not mean that it's automatically true for every single goddamn being with telekinesis.
I'm bloody well aware that there are portrayals of an individual with psychic powers being able to literally blow someone's mind in other media.
That does not mean that it's automatically true for every single goddamn being with telekinesis.
Hear hear
I tried so hard to be good with Meta Knight in this game. I just can't. The only other characters I've dropped so far are Mii Brawler and Lucario, but I plan to revisit them.
Thanks, I'd looked for a thread before asking about this way back when but couldn't find one. If I'd known about this I'd have just gone there instead, didn't want my question to spark an argument. Sorry about that.
I'm going to leave you with a quote that perfectly describes Ganondorf.
"Did you know that Ganon's feet is actually electrified because he wears electric boots? Every time he punches you, your body is engulfed in evil laughter and evil pain. You only truly know the dorf if you can comprehend the dorf." - Friend of mine.
-Mind control and brainwashing are the same thing. Perhaps you were referring to memory erasure? Though that wouldn't be very useful in a fight.
-Mewtwo never teleported mountains, he teleported the spring of a mountain to an underground location inside it.
-Only when Mewtwo had no control of his power could he haphazardly destroy buildings just by thinking.
Once he was in control of his power, it became clear that he needs to focus his psychic energy on an object before he can do anything with it first.
-Mewtwo didn't spawn tornados from nowhere; he used his psychic powers as means of weather manipulation to trigger a storm. A not-so instantaneous process that would prove useless in an actual fight since he isn't like Storm or Thor who have more capability in this field.
-Mewtwo never turned back time. Mewtwo erased the memories of those who encountered him and transported them to another location. As for the lab he built (which defies logic to begin with) on New Island....who's to say it's not buried underneath the ocean?
-The "exploding someone's mind" bull****, I never did get. Where does this even come from? Oh, he's got psychic powers so that automatically means he can go "*Poof* Your head explodes!"?
-Sure, Mewtwo can incapacitate his opponent by keeping them constrained.....but what good would that do? Mewtwo needs to focus to do that, so unless he follows up with say, a forceful slam into the wall/ground, that'd just be a standstill.
-Teleport people to space? Considering his opponents, a majority wouldn't be killed that way, so all that would do is....have Mewtwo "win" by the opponent not being able to fight? And if it's DK he sends into space, he better make damn sure he doesn't send DK anywhere near the moon....
And Palutena's a lot more powerful than you give her credit for.
Her capability is said to be on par with Medusa. If you're judging her by her boss fight, know that she was severely weakened due to fighting control from the Chaos Kin for a few years.
You are right, I made a mistake. I was referring to erasing your memory which could allow him to erase all your knowledge of anything.
He teleported a chunk of the mountain as not only the water dissapeared.
Anything he could do before, he can also do after being focused. Also he destroyed the "suit" that was "controlling" his powers.
He still created a tornado which is what I said, I wasn't referring to whether he would do it in a fight, but that he did.
Well at the end of the movie he takes them all back to where they started and he places them in a way where they all think it's hours or days earlier. I always assumed he did in fact take them back in time as no one even bats an eye at the fact that time basically changed. If he can do that he might as well make you think you're back to being a baby.
I mean in the literal way he can crush things with his mind, telekinesis. He could crush your heart or your mind if he wanted to. But I was talking more of a non-literal way where he can channel psychic energy into you until you explode, I guess it is a preconceived notions for psychic powers that hasn't been "proven true" in the Pokemon universe.
This focusing you claim seems like a misconception too. Mewtwo is known to use his powers for several things at once, like lifting many different objects or controlling different objects at the same time. It's not like lifting one object makes him go into a stand still where that's ALL he can do.
With over half the cast not having air to breathe is a huge problem. I assumed both Ike and Marth have human-like limitations in their games which means that not breathing is definitely a problem.
Ooh, arguments on who's canonically the strongest. This should be fun.
Alright, now I'll get talking about how tough Mewtwo is, not in the anime, but in the video games.
First things first; his base stat total. Mewtwo does very little inside of the games, so let's look at his equals as far as base stats go. Lugia can create massive storms just by flapping it's wings. That's why it's hiding out in a cave in the middle of the ocean; it doesn't want to cause too much damage. Ho-oh can literally bring back the dead. Just ask Entei, Raikou, and Suicune about it.
Palkia and Dialga have the power of time and space itself. Giratina is the sole inhabitant of an entire parallel universe.
Reshiram and Zekrom are stated to have the power to destroy the entire world with their fire and lightning if they so wished to do so. Good thing they're considered heroes, huh?
Xerneas is immortal and generates life energy, and Yveltal can extend it's life by absorbing the life energy of those around, literally taking away the lives of thousands all at once.
But that's without taking Mega Evolution into account. If you consider Mega Mewtwo Y's and X's base stats, you get even stronger the Arceus, a Pokemon who shown in-game to be capable of creating new life when it replicates Palkia, Dialga, or Giratina in a HGSS special event.
Primal Groudon and Kyogre are capable of completely transforming the Earth's climate into that of an eternal drought or an eternal storm. Mega Rayquaza is described to have incredible amounts of life energy, drain Primal Kyogre's/Groudon's energy and put them into a deep slumber, can fly to space in an instant, and destroy massive meteors like they're nothing(still needs to be taught Rock Smash in order to destroy small cracked boulders, though).
If you ignore how cheap these three Pokemon's abilities are(and how Rayquaza cheats by eating its Mega Stone so it doesn't need to take up an item slot), they're basically Mewtwo's equals.
I think it's pretty safe to say Mewtwo is at god-tier status.
Pit's actually really strong. He's stronger with Palutena's help for sure, but he's still tough with just his weapons. He's able to take out gods and goddess like Thanatos and Pandora without Palutena's help, and he eats underworld demons for breakfast(not literally).
When equipped with the Three Sacred Treasures, he's basically stronger then almost any god in the world of Uprising, with the exception of the ridiculously OP Hades.
Unfortunately, his Three Sacred Treasures broke, but he still has them in Smash.
Link is a funny one.
When it comes to raw power, there is a lot of focus on his Master Sword.
However, the Master Sword is very specialized. In most battles, it's suppose to be a cut above your average magic sword. But against demons, it's incredibly powerful.
He gets through most situation by feats of skill or craftiness as opposed to brute force.
He's definitely powerful, but it's his resourcefulness that is really his key trait. I'd agree hes not in the Smash roster's god tier.
I think Palutena just isn't that strong compared to the other characters in Uprising surrounding her, especially since she hardly ever does the battling. It's pretty easy to underestimate her just because the focus is on all the characters.
Let's not forget that...
1) She's capable of destroying Hewdraw in a single blast of magic(though it takes some preperation).
2) She has a near-impenetrable Force Field protecting Skyworld.
3) She's Medusa's rival, and had defeating Medusa originally before the events of Kid Icarus for the NES.
4) When Pit landed the finishing blow on the all-powerful Hades, it was because of Palutena's power.
Pit, Palutena, Ganon, and Mewtwo are all at god-status, I'd say.
I don't want to spoil myself by reading about what makes Shulk so tough, but I suppose I'll take your word for it as well.
But if we also consider cut veterans, I'd say Pichu would have to take the cake as the toughest fighter.
...Man, this may be my longest post here in Smash Boards yet.
What exactly has Palutena DONE to show her power? Saying she compares to whomever else doesn't really mean anything if that person you're comparing to has also not shown such a great amount of power.
Ganondorf is immune to more than 90% of the cast and has incredibly powerful magic, Ness can create dimensions and realities (or so I've heard, haven't played Earthbound), Super Sonic is so fast that people probably wouldn't even be able to see where he's at.
Pit and Link don't compare to the above powers at all. I love Link, he's probably my fav Nintendo character but his abilities don't come even close to being "powerful" compared to the Smash cast, neither does Pit's.
I will admit I don't know much about Palutena, I only played Uprising, don't know anything about her lore, but it would seem as if you are comparing her with the people inside her own game instead of with the rest of the smash cast. I can see that she has healing powers, teleportation, telekinesis, etc, but these are all powers already present in many of the Smash cast and with much more strength.
She could kill Hedraw with a charge that took her a long time, but how strong is Hedraw truthfully? He doesn't seem strong. Could Hedraw handle any of the Smash cast? I mean I could say Olimar is incredibly strong because he beat King Bulborb, but could the rest of the Smash cast also defeat him? Yea they could have too.
I know Palutena is a goddess I am just saying that I don't think she's even top 10 in the Smash cast.
@GoldenYuiitusin you can answer this question for me too if you'd like.
Anyways, we should go back to Mewtwo and stop this discussion. I had to unsubscribe from the who is canonically stronger thread because of EXACTLY what's happening right now. After a while people will just throw in comparisons that have no tangible measurements in them, which mean it's impossible to compare those "facts" with anything outside their own universe, as such the discussion will never end because it's all about opinion. It's an endless circle of "My guy defeated the most powerful being in the universe, it says it in this game" vs "Well my guy defeat the god of all power so he has to be stronger!".
Very good! In recognition of all your contributions to this board, I extend to you the privilege of being one of my four Horsemen of the Mewpocalypse. Pick the throw you wish to represent. U-throw is already taken, of course.
Same goes to @NonSpecificGuy
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