ZombieVito
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FE should have never gotten 4 characters anyway.
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Schnee117
Too Majestic for Gender
I say it should've but then I'm very bias towards FE.
NeoHippie41
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But from a business standpoint. Nintendo would be just fine if they never produced another Kirby game.
Cutie Gwen
Lovely warrior
A character has to fully function with every stage and item. Your idea means a developer has to also make sure that one AT can not ever be summoned if a specific character, one out of currently 55, is on the field, that's much more work
CeruleanFlow
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This place has just turned into anger and arguing.. 
We were all so united by Mewtwo and now we are just rude to each other..
We were all so united by Mewtwo and now we are just rude to each other..
Schnee117
Too Majestic for Gender
No.
People get tired of the exact same franchises being released time and again.
They need something different alongside that.
The Goldenbrawler
Smash Ace
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No, shut thine mouth.
4 characters for Fire Emblem is perfect, especially who they picked out. If they end up giving Roy out as a POSSIBLE 5th would be icing on the cake, but I'm not expecting that to happen. I'm throwing in my assistance to Roy and his fans, since we're all from the same Melee blood, as well as the fact that Mewtwo, the Doc, and Roy were all supposed to end up in Brawl. I realize though that there will be characters higher up than him.EDIT: Fixed to what I was actually trying to say.
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NeoHippie41
Smash Apprentice
It's a pretty civil discussion. Different opinions but that's what forums are for.
Schnee117
Too Majestic for Gender
Calm down there.
Cutie Gwen
Lovely warrior
Nintendo won't go bankrupt for another 35 years if they lost 50 million dollars anually so that's not a good argument.
I think it's stupid to say only Nintendo's top 4 franchise deserve more than 3 characters. DK is the 5th best selling franchise with Kirby being sixth, I included Mario Kart as that is number 3
The Goldenbrawler
Smash Ace
How am I not calm? I've been calm this whole
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Schnee117
Too Majestic for Gender
You're telling someone to shut up for having a different opinion.
Chill.
skylanders fan
Smash Lord
wolf seems to be the mostly likely charcter to come out of dlc i think veterans should be considered first form a buissness standpoint then newcomes as much as we want them
DrRiceBoy
Smash Lord
Ya'll are scaring me. I wake up to see arguing again... c'mon guys, we're all friends and we like Mewtwo. Our lord Mewtwo wouldn't want his subjects to be fighting.
Let's all calm down, not resort to saying things like "shut your mouth", and have a nice, civil dicussion. I know discussions can get a bit hectic, but it's no reason to get rude over. We're all friends!
Let's all calm down, not resort to saying things like "shut your mouth", and have a nice, civil dicussion. I know discussions can get a bit hectic, but it's no reason to get rude over. We're all friends!
ZephyrZ
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I see people complaining about FE having 4 reps. The way I see it, FE doesn't have 4 reps. It has, like, 3.1.
Lucina is basically just an extension of Marth. All the did was copy/paste Marth and remove the sweetspots. She's not detracting from anything else. She basically just a glorified alt costume; something that's nice for FE:A fans, and shouldn't hurt people who aren't FE fans.
Complaining about Lucina is almost like complaining that Bowser Jr. has the Koopalings or that Olimar has Alph.
Lucina is basically just an extension of Marth. All the did was copy/paste Marth and remove the sweetspots. She's not detracting from anything else. She basically just a glorified alt costume; something that's nice for FE:A fans, and shouldn't hurt people who aren't FE fans.
Complaining about Lucina is almost like complaining that Bowser Jr. has the Koopalings or that Olimar has Alph.
Cutie Gwen
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Hang on. Wii Fit sells better than Zelda. Better split the alt, make the balance board playable and more amiright
The Goldenbrawler
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Uh, no I didn't, it was a playful poke, but if you want to see it as me being an aggressive ****, then I suppose I can't stop ya. XD
Schnee117
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Better make Jumpman playable amiright?
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It didn't come off as being that playful.
"Shut up" almost never does in this type of discussion.
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NeoHippie41
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Too be honest Lucina annoys me a lot more because of that. And it's not the same at all. She should actually be a Marth alt like those characters are. It was super disappointing that 3 unlockables were clones.
The Goldenbrawler
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I merely said shut your mouth (although I will say that I intended to put "shut thine mouth" instead, so it was more obvious) not shut the **** up or anything of the like.
U-Throw
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I'm going to have to side with TehEpicRyuga and her friends. Kirby is a pretty big Nintendo franchise, and calling it small, insignificant, or undeserving is pretty silly, in my opinion, especially given it's unique gameplay, wide variety of original spinoffs, and colorful cast of characters. Bandana Dee is also one of the main 4 Kirby characters now, and the Kirby series doesn't feel complete without him there. I'd love to see Bandana Dee join the battle!
Also, the whole notion of setting number of series' reps based solely on sales is absolutely ridiculous. As a long as a character can bring something new and interesting to the roster, they should be seriously considered before being ruled out, regardless of their series's number of reps. Now, yes, sale should play some role is selecting characters, but it should be minimal. Fire Emblem, for example, is extremely well-known throughout the world by this point, and characters like Robin and Lucina bring a completely new type of playstyle to the cast and fill a particular niche, respectively. While Fire Emblem's not the biggest seller for Nintendo, it's so well-known and the characters are unique enough that the reps definitely deserved their spots. The same goes for Ridley, Bandana Dee, Pichu and any other character in a similar situation. Sales should never, ever be the sole factor in determining how many reps a series should get.
Also, the whole notion of setting number of series' reps based solely on sales is absolutely ridiculous. As a long as a character can bring something new and interesting to the roster, they should be seriously considered before being ruled out, regardless of their series's number of reps. Now, yes, sale should play some role is selecting characters, but it should be minimal. Fire Emblem, for example, is extremely well-known throughout the world by this point, and characters like Robin and Lucina bring a completely new type of playstyle to the cast and fill a particular niche, respectively. While Fire Emblem's not the biggest seller for Nintendo, it's so well-known and the characters are unique enough that the reps definitely deserved their spots. The same goes for Ridley, Bandana Dee, Pichu and any other character in a similar situation. Sales should never, ever be the sole factor in determining how many reps a series should get.
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Cutie Gwen
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I believe that you shouldn't limit the amount of playable characters based on which franchise it is, FE deserved it's reps imo, especially as Awakening was a goldmine. Do I think the best waifu should have been an alt instead of playable? Yes, Dr. Mario is the only clone character I like because he at least feels different.
The Goldenbrawler
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*cringes* I'm just going to walk away now.
BlazGreen
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I honestly think Wolf is in development already. The tie in announcement with Star Fox U at E3 just around the time Lucas is released seems too convenient.
As for Series representation, I agree that only Mario, Pokemon and Zelda should have more than 3 representatives while the rest should have around three bar the one off characters like ROB, G&W and Duck Hunt.
As for Series representation, I agree that only Mario, Pokemon and Zelda should have more than 3 representatives while the rest should have around three bar the one off characters like ROB, G&W and Duck Hunt.
Schnee117
Too Majestic for Gender
And at the same time as not limiting characters that should be in you shouldn't go crazy with the additions lest you want an MK Armageddon to happen.
Never forget Bo Rai Cho's fart fatality.
The Goldenbrawler
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These are extra characters added for their fans when they had extra time to work on them. HOW is this a BAD thing?!?
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I like how we can discuss religion in this thread without anyone getting upset, but when the conversation turns to the Smash roster, we all get extremely opinionated and start arguing.
So...hypothetically speaking, what if they weren't unlockables, and were instead in the default roster? Would you still have a problem with them?
ZeldaMaster
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Except that Fire Emblem has hundred of characters. Kid Icarus is the real franchise we should be arguing about.
DrRiceBoy
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As a big Lucina fan (favorite character in Awakening and most wanted newcomer), I have to agree that she should've been an alt. It's really not fair for characters like the Koopalings and Alph. They barely changed Lucina up... why does she get her own spot but the Koopalings and Alph didn't? It would have been a different case if Lucina had her own moveset, but all they did was balance her sword. Dark Pit (and maybe Dr. Mario) should have been alts as well for the sake of consistency. I don't understand why they would make some characters alts and other characters their own character... it's just not consistent.
U-Throw
Smash Lord
This man is a genius. As a Dr. Mario main who is also a big fan of the other clones, I completely concur and seriously appreciate it.
NeoHippie41
Smash Apprentice
As a separate character, yeah.
Cutie Gwen
Lovely warrior
Final thing I want to have to say on this matter
How many Mario characters are left? Waluigi, Toad, Fawful and Daisy.
Zelda: Impa as she's the only character who'd return in the franchise if the previous Zelda games are any indication
Pokemon: 706 of these guys aren't playable
Kirby: Bandana Dee, Adeliene, Galacta Knight, the animal friends, Gooey, etc
F-Zero: Pretty much everyone
FE: Pretty much everyone
Wario: All Warioware characters and Captain Syrup
DK: Dixie, K.Rool, Cranky and Lord Frederick
Metroid: Ridley, Dark Samus and 8 hunters
How many Mario characters are left? Waluigi, Toad, Fawful and Daisy.
Zelda: Impa as she's the only character who'd return in the franchise if the previous Zelda games are any indication
Pokemon: 706 of these guys aren't playable
Kirby: Bandana Dee, Adeliene, Galacta Knight, the animal friends, Gooey, etc
F-Zero: Pretty much everyone
FE: Pretty much everyone
Wario: All Warioware characters and Captain Syrup
DK: Dixie, K.Rool, Cranky and Lord Frederick
Metroid: Ridley, Dark Samus and 8 hunters
Schnee117
Too Majestic for Gender
It's only bad if they go on to be very similar in subsequent games (Ganondorf) or get cut (Roy). That's a waste when you could make them unique in the next game whilst keeping a few similarities to how they presently are.
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U-Throw
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They only did it because they had extra time. Lucina was separated because of Sakurai wanted a beginner version of Marth. She was the first to be split. Dr. Mario was second because Sakurai wanted to bring back Dr. Tornado and Doc's Melee D-Air in order please his fans from Melee. He was the second to be split. Dark Pit was split because he looked weird using the 3 Sacred Treasures. He was the third to be split.
I actually agree with you on the thing about Alph, except I think he should've had priority over Dark Pit instead of Doc and Lucina. I think the Koopalings are fine as Alts. because there are 7 of them. Sakurai split the clones from their originals because they had extra time and wanted to please their fans. They took up no-one's spot on the roster, so they're literally just extra treats for people who like them. Nobody should get upset over them, in my opinion.
EDIT: Accidentally posted this early in my rush to get it done. It's all fixed up now, so you can read it properly. My apologies.
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This will go back to my Lucina argument.
We don't have 3 Kid Icarus reps. We have closer to 2.1 Kid Icarus reps.
Well, how would you of made the Koopalings and Alph different?
Would you have us unlock each Koopaling one by one? And what would you change outside of their Final Smash; the Clown Cart is the real fighter here, the koopalings are nothing but the pilots.
Is there anything Alph can do that Olimar can't? I mean, there's rock pikmin, but changing just 1 out of the 5 pikmin types isn't nearly enough to justify that.
This is what I don't get.
You said your problem was that three of the unlockables were clones.
What would your problem be if they weren't unlockables? Just the common anti-clone prejudice people seem to have?
Grass
Smash Lord
But Regi, that's the core of the internet. xD
Seriously though, I love how arguments always devolve into flames or unnecessary bull****.
Igzex
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I don't want no grass starter or any starters for that matter. I've had enough starter and npc gift pokemon being playable. If I felt Pokemon needed even more characters I'd vote for something out there like Ambipom or Aromatisse. I don't however so that's why I voted Impa.
Schnee117
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The Goldenbrawler
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Removed this, as I forgot what I was stating XD
That's like if someone gave you a meal and followed it up with free desert, but you throw it in their damn face because it's "not what you wanted" or "not the way you wanted it."
I hate none of the clones they added, although Dark Pit was strange for me just because of how the 2 could easily be confused, but now it's just humorous. I did joke about "derpder Mario" making it over Mewtwo, but that was just a mix of salt and "let's try and make the best out of this."
Ok, so extra characters to appease fans are a bad thing good to note.
That's like if someone gave you a meal and followed it up with free desert, but you throw it in their damn face because it's "not what you wanted" or "not the way you wanted it."
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