[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[Fatmanonice]

Wasn’t the Dante leak made way after dmc 5 was announced and Dante was confirmed to come back?

Wasn't there something about Dante before E3 too? Maybe someone just got things mixed up. Maybe they were thinking that Devil May Cry 5 was announced at the Tokyo Game Show.

 

[Deleted member]

Wasn't there something about Dante before E3 too? Maybe someone just got things mixed up. Maybe they were thinking that Devil May Cry 5 was announced at the Tokyo Game Show.

The 3 dante leaks that I’m aware of were all after e3. Maybe I’m missing one.

 

[beans]

The 3 dante leaks that I’m aware of were all after e3. Maybe I’m missing one.

The missing leak is the Donte leak, which everyone agreed to never talk about it again. just like ps allstars

 

[Nemuresu]

Not that I want to play eenie meanie on this, but that sounds really stupid. How the **** do you even bring specific details about a trailer (Dante fighting a dragon, humiliating a Fire Emblem character, using the DMC4 design, and so on) just to find out it's not for Smash? Given the way it was redacted, I'm pretty sure the person who said that could've told the difference between Smash footage and DMC footage.
At least with the Katalina stuff, Hitagi never said he saw her in the game or anything like that, which, on the other hand, could justify a misinterpretation (even though I still find it odd that he brought up talks between Nintendo and Cygames).

 

[Starblax]

So correct me if I'm wrong but after overlooking a lot of fan polls, some SPECIFICALLY for Japan...

is Sora actually not more popular than Erdrick? I've seen Sora place top 5 in polls sometimes even for just Japan, while Erdrick or Slime chills around like top 15. Japan is unsure about it too because they know it's not popular over here.

Thinking over this logistically, and I'm putting my bias aside here, wouldn't it make more business sense to add Sora? He'd sell more than Erdrick like... everywhere. He's more popular in Japan with fans, he's definitely more popular in just about everywhere else, and if a kid sees Sora or Erdrick, they'll probably want to go with Sora due to recognition of the some of the Disney tidbits hidden on him like the mickey head on the keyblade or his comically large shoes. I'm really starting to doubt Erdrick more and more with each passing day, whereas at least with Incineroar I accepted that was for sure inevitable, but this just isn't clicking.

 

[Nekoo]

So correct me if I'm wrong but after overlooking a lot of fan polls, some SPECIFICALLY for Japan...

is Sora actually not more popular than Erdrick? I've seen Sora place top 5 in polls sometimes even for just Japan, while Erdrick or Slime chills around like top 15. Japan is unsure about it too because they know it's not popular over here.

Thinking over this logistically, and I'm putting my bias aside here, wouldn't it make more business sense to add Sora? He'd sell more than Erdrick like... everywhere. He's more popular in Japan with fans, he's definitely more popular in just about everywhere else, and if a kid sees Sora or Erdrick, they'll probably want to go with Sora due to recognition of the some of the Disney tidbits hidden on him like the mickey head on the keyblade or his comically large shoes. I'm really starting to doubt Erdrick more and more with each passing day, whereas at least with Incineroar I accepted that was for sure inevitable, but this just isn't clicking.

To be fair, Sora is just legitimately beloved in Japan, last I remember he was top 5/10 of favourite characters EVER in famitsu and never dropped below that.
Disney is the ONLY issue with him sadly.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

At this point I'm guessing either Geno or Sora. It would be criminal to ignore BOTH these massive fanbases. Leaning towards Sora because honestly who would expect it? Also HUGE headliner, in the upper echelon's of hype in general. Wouldn't mind it too much, even if I'm a big Geno fan. It would at least make Sora's equally sizable fanbase happy.

Would it though?

Don't get me wrong, I respect both fanbases, but equally large fanbases have been passed up in the past, and if both of them suffer from licensing complications like we think they are, then the size of their fanbases don't matter.

So, someone brought up an interesting point in one of the Discords I'm in. Remember the Dante leak about two months ago? It technically wound up being true because of Devil May Cry V: Dante Chaperones a Junior Prom. Basically it was a case of crossed wires or bad intel. "Dante's coming back? Oh, they must mean Smash." That sort of thing. A fair guess given the series was MIA for nearly 6 years, almost 11 if you (deliberately) ignore the attempted reboot.

What if Erdrick was a similar case of filling in the blanks or bad intel?

Spoiler: Relevant Spoiler

Dragon Quest XI is actually a prequel to Dragon Quest III and the main character is given the title of "Erdrick" at the end.

What if a remake of Dragon Quest III is on the way? Our regular comparisons to Marth are definitely appropriate in this case because Marth's game was remade for the SNES and DS. Meanwhile, Erdrick's was remade for the SNES but hasn't had a remake yet to introduce him to "modern audiences" like Marth's DS game after Brawl was released. Perhaps now is the time based on XI's global success and availability on all modern platforms? Food for thought.

If Erdrick's game is getting a remake then I'm even more willing to believe he'll be in Smash given that that would cement his legacy as the Marth of the series.

To be fair, Sora is just legitimately beloved in Japan, last I remember he was top 5/10 of favourite characters EVER in famitsu and never dropped below that.
Disney is the ONLY issue with him sadly.

And the thing is that Disney is simply too large to surmount. Even with everything going for Sora's it's balanced out by the sole fact that he's Disney.

Like, I'm hoping he can get in, but it relies on Disney playing ball, and that's a very big if.

 

[StormC]

If Disney was a nonfactor with getting Sora in Smash he would probably be the first DLC character announced.

 

[Starblax]

To be fair, Sora is just legitimately beloved in Japan, last I remember he was top 5/10 of favourite characters EVER in famitsu and never dropped below that.
Disney is the ONLY issue with him sadly.

Sure, Disney is a problem, but there's been examples like Epic Mickey, the Afternoon Collection, and Disney's Art Academy. i think people are really overestimating how much of a problem it's gonna be to work with Disney. Also I didn't know people loved Sora that much good lord lmao

 

[Icewolff92]

So correct me if I'm wrong but after overlooking a lot of fan polls, some SPECIFICALLY for Japan...

is Sora actually not more popular than Erdrick? I've seen Sora place top 5 in polls sometimes even for just Japan, while Erdrick or Slime chills around like top 15. Japan is unsure about it too because they know it's not popular over here.

Thinking over this logistically, and I'm putting my bias aside here, wouldn't it make more business sense to add Sora? He'd sell more than Erdrick like... everywhere. He's more popular in Japan with fans, he's definitely more popular in just about everywhere else, and if a kid sees Sora or Erdrick, they'll probably want to go with Sora due to recognition of the some of the Disney tidbits hidden on him like the mickey head on the keyblade or his comically large shoes. I'm really starting to doubt Erdrick more and more with each passing day, whereas at least with Incineroar I accepted that was for sure inevitable, but this just isn't clicking.

Would you mind me ask on who you saw together with him on the top 5 spots?

 

[TheCJBrine]

I remember someone thinking Disney would probably "threaten" to buy Nintendo.

However, I don't see them doing the same with Minecraft despite the official Moana, Star Wars and Nightmare Before Christmas packs.

 

[Deleted member]

To be fair, Sora is just legitimately beloved in Japan, last I remember he was top 5/10 of favourite characters EVER in famitsu and never dropped below that.
Disney is the ONLY issue with him sadly.

If you’re talking about that old famitsu one from 2010, Sora was no.5. If you’re curious, no.1 was snake, 2 was Cloud, 3 was mario and 4 was slime.

 

[StormC]

I remember someone thinking Disney would probably "threaten" to buy Nintendo.

Whoever suggested this as a possibility has zero understanding of corporate business.

 

[Icewolff92]

Don't get me wrong, I respect both fanbases, but equally large fanbases have been passed up in the past, and if both of them suffer from licensing complications like we think they are, then the size of their fanbases don't matter.

Sorry, but legal issues is something that comes to every potential Square rep, not just Sora, and Geno, but Dragon Quest as well. Getting so many parties to agree with one and other isn't that easy no matter what region of the world you are looking at.

 

[Icewolff92]

I remember someone thinking Disney would probably "threaten" to buy Nintendo.

However, I don't see them doing the same with Minecraft despite the official Moana, Star Wars and Nightmare Before Christmas packs.

I mean.. of what I've heard about them they would easily be hard with when it comes to licensing. But threaten to buy? That's stupid. I mean i Microsoft are unable to buy them back on 03, I can't see how Disney would be able to now.

 

[Starblax]

Would you mind me ask on who you saw together with him on the top 5 spots?

Yeah there was one where he was 5, K Rool 4th, Spring Man 3rd, Bandanna Dee was 2nd, and Rex took first. That one was JUST Japan
Another one had Banjo 1st, Geno 2nd, I think Bandanna Dee was 3rd, and then Sora. Joker placed 49th on that poll out of 50

He also placed 5th in a tournament, but Lloyd Irving placed 4th so dunno how coorect that seems

 

[Icewolff92]

Yeah there was one where he was 5, K Rool 4th, Spring Man 3rd, Bandanna Dee was 2nd, and Rex took first. That one was JUST Japan
Another one had Banjo 1st, Geno 2nd, I think Bandanna Dee was 3rd, and then Sora. Joker placed 49th on that poll out of 50

He also placed 5th in a tournament, but Lloyd Irving placed 4th so dunno how coorect that seems

Wait wait wait... Banjo was first on a Japanese based poll for Smash Brothers? WHAT? I thought that IP was only big here in the west

 

[SSGuy]

I am admiringly conflicted with Sora getting into Smash Bros. It will make several people happy but Sora is probably bottom 2 for who I want making it into Smash Bros. Maybe my least wanted of all time.

Figures the stingiest company would have a choice between my most wanted fighter for years and my least wanted fighter of all time with a one or the other kind of deal. I am definitely committed to the underdog in this fight.

I just remember spending the entire Smash 4 speculation cycle getting nasty trash talked by Sora fans within the small inside community I had. With that being said, I may despise the idea of him as a Smash Bros character but I also can't just throw a wet blanket on every one who likes him.

It also would hurt having the idea of Nintendo going so far out of their way just to obtain Sora for Smash Bros when Geno has been wanted for so many years. I think that would be the real killer for me. I would much rather take Erdrick and call it the neutral ending.

Regardless, it will be interesting to see what happens.

Spoiler

Also I dont have much respect for Krono so it doesn't help Sora's reputation at all.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I am admiringly conflicted with Sora getting into Smash Bros.

Figures the stingiest company would have a choice between my most wanted fighter for years and my least wanted fighter of all time with a one or the other kind of deal. I am definitely committed to the underdog in this fight.

I just remember spending the entire Smash 4 speculation cycle getting nasty trash talked by Sora fans within the small inside community I had. With that being said, I may despise the idea of him as a Smash Bros character but I also can't just throw a wet blanket on every one who likes him.

It also would hurt having the idea of Nintendo going so far out of their way just to obtain Sora for Smash Bros when Geno has been wanted for so many years. I think that would be the real killer for me. I would much rather take Erdrick and call it the neutral ending.

Regardless, it will be interesting to see what happens.

Spoiler

Also I dont have much respect for Krono so it doesn't help Sora's reputation at all.

Sora's been wanted just as long as Geno though. He appears on Sakurai's Brawl Fan-Suggestion Column alongside Geno.

Also, compared to the one-off Super Mario RPG, Kingdom Hearts is a larger, relevant, more iconic series. Kingdom Hearts 3 has been Top 10 on Famitsu's Most Wanted Games list since its reveal in 2013. Do not underestimate Sora or his fanbase, because outside of forums like these Sora is incredibly popular. I apologize that some Sora fans were bad to you, but similar to how many say not to generalize the Geno fanbase, don't generalize the Sora fanbase.

Yeah there was one where he was 5, K Rool 4th, Spring Man 3rd, Bandanna Dee was 2nd, and Rex took first. That one was JUST Japan
Another one had Banjo 1st, Geno 2nd, I think Bandanna Dee was 3rd, and then Sora. Joker placed 49th on that poll out of 50

He also placed 5th in a tournament, but Lloyd Irving placed 4th so dunno how coorect that seems

Yeah, uh...can I get some source with that statement?

Sorry, but legal issues is something that comes to every potential Square rep, not just Sora, and Geno, but Dragon Quest as well. Getting so many parties to agree with one and other isn't that easy no matter what region of the world you are looking at.

The thing for Dragon Quest though is that Square Enix can more likely bring in the needed parties for Dragon Quest compared to Disney. This is exactly the case if we choose to believe the 2chan leak.

 

[Deleted member]

Sora's been wanted just as long as Geno though. He appears on Sakurai's Brawl Fan-Suggestion Column alongside Geno.

Also, compared to the one-off Super Mario RPG, Kingdom Hearts is a larger, relevant, more iconic series. Kingdom Hearts 3 has been Top 10 on Famitsu's Most Wanted Games list since its reveal in 2013. Do not underestimate Sora or his fanbase, because outside of forums like these Sora is incredibly popular. I apologize that some Sora fans were bad to you, but similar to how many say not to generalize the Geno fanbase, don't generalize the Sora fanbase.

Yeah, uh...can I get some source with that statement?

The thing for Dragon Quest though is that Square Enix can more likely bring in the needed parties for Dragon Quest compared to Disney. This is exactly the case if we choose to believe the 2chan leak.

Technically, in the “If there was a smash 2 poll” way back, Geno scored 5 votes.
https://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/03/23/if-there-were-a-smash-2-poll/
So if we want to be technical Geno has been wanted for smash longer than Sora has existed

 

[beans]

Technically, in the “If there was a smash 3 poll” way back, Geno scored 5 votes.
https://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/03/23/if-there-were-a-smash-2-poll/
So if we want to be technical Geno has been wanted for smash longer than Sora has existed

Geno getting the votes while Sora is still in the womb of a woman in an elevator

 

[Deleted member]

Technically, in the “If there was a smash 2 poll” way back, Geno scored 5 votes.
https://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/03/23/if-there-were-a-smash-2-poll/
So if we want to be technical Geno has been wanted for smash longer than Sora has existed

Chocobo got 9 votes...
I'm thinking he's in fellas

 

[beans]

Chocobo got 9 votes...
I'm thinking he's in fellas

In this totally new Sakurai article he says: "Actually the SE rep was meant to be Chocobo, but Cloud really looked like a chocobo, but from Fire Emblem, due to being anime with big knife. I took a look and said it was the perfect chocobo for DLC"

 

[SSGuy]

Chocobo got 9 votes...
I'm thinking he's in fellas

Chocobo is my 2nd most wanted Square Enix character. He would be so cool!

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

missing leak is the Donte leak

Come again??? I've heard of multiple Dante for Smash leaks, that thankfully haven't come to fruition, but never that one.

 

[Deleted member]

Come again??? I've heard of multiple Dante for Smash leaks, that thankfully haven't come to fruition, but never that one.

Yeah, it said that Donte was in with a white-haired alt. It was recently discovered on 8chan and people are thinking it’s legit cause it said Joker was in in November.

 

[beans]

Come again??? I've heard of multiple Dante for Smash leaks, that thankfully haven't come to fruition, but never that one.

Its just like DmC
It doesnt exist

 

[Icewolff92]

The thing for Dragon Quest though is that Square Enix can more likely bring in the needed parties for Dragon Quest compared to Disney. This is exactly the case if we choose to believe the 2chan leak.

No offense because you seem like a nice individual. But most likely based on what? Square is said to be the one that was the hardest one to work with, so who isn't to say that the other parties are as well? If Square would have so easy to get every other party together, then why did we not get more FF content in the base game?

Also, Akira Toriyama is said to be (and this is only something I've heard) being someone that demands his creation to be front and center with EVERY crossover. Something I'm firm to believe considering how they handle the Jump games, the crossover between Toriko Dragon Ball and One Piece and that Boom/Fortune Street comes off as more of a Dragon Quest meets Mario instead of the reverse... which would be a problem for a game like Smash.

I'm not saying that Dragon Quest is impossible but your most likely comes off as assumptions based on random text leaks right now
So again I ask. How is it most likely?

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Yeah, it said that Donte was in with a white-haired alt. It was recently discovered on 8chan and people are thinking it’s legit cause it said Joker was in in November.

That would be laughably tone deaf. Sponsoring the now defunct reboot that didn't take off with fans to begin with...... yikes.

 

[beans]

No offense because you seem like a nice individual. But most likely based on what? Square is said to be the one that was the hardest one to work with, so who isn't to say that the other parties are as well? If Square would have so easy to get every other party together, then why did we not get more FF content in the base game?

Also, Akira Toriyama is said to be (and this is only something I've heard) being someone that demands his creation to be front and center with EVERY crossover. Something I'm firm to believe considering how they handle the Jump games, the crossover between Toriko Dragon Ball and One Piece and that Boom/Fortune Street comes off as more of a Dragon Quest meets Mario instead of the reverse... which would be a problem for a game like Smash.

I'm not saying that Dragon Quest is impossible but your most likely comes off as assumptions based on random text leaks right now
So again I ask. How is it most likely?

Probs from:

DQ: They've been pushing DQ in the west, and Smash can put it into the spotlight of the mainstream. It would just benefit them more than would harm dealing with all other parties.

SE content in base game: SE just gives the bare minimun in any crossovers (ex Tekken 7, Assassins Creed "egypt one" ) and they like to be DLC. Poor base game content is expected

 

[Starblax]

yuh here's the 3 polls I found

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Ah, good to see Phoenix Wright all up in there.
Though thankfully, he'd still be quite an unexpected surprise, even without those polls.

 

[StormC]

I am admiringly conflicted with Sora getting into Smash Bros. It will make several people happy but Sora is probably bottom 2 for who I want making it into Smash Bros. Maybe my least wanted of all time.

Figures the stingiest company would have a choice between my most wanted fighter for years and my least wanted fighter of all time with a one or the other kind of deal. I am definitely committed to the underdog in this fight.

I just remember spending the entire Smash 4 speculation cycle getting nasty trash talked by Sora fans within the small inside community I had. With that being said, I may despise the idea of him as a Smash Bros character but I also can't just throw a wet blanket on every one who likes him.

It also would hurt having the idea of Nintendo going so far out of their way just to obtain Sora for Smash Bros when Geno has been wanted for so many years. I think that would be the real killer for me. I would much rather take Erdrick and call it the neutral ending.

Regardless, it will be interesting to see what happens.

Spoiler

Also I dont have much respect for Krono so it doesn't help Sora's reputation at all.

I think saying it would be to “just” get Sora is underplaying how big it would be for Sora to be in Smash and the massive legacy of Kingdom Hearts. Pretty much all Geno has going for him is popularity among diehard fans.

Is there a reason Sora would be bad while Erdrick and Cloud are fine besides a few annoying people on the internet? Lord knows we’d never see K. Rool or Ridley if that was any sort of barometer.

 

[Deleted member]

polls I found

The 2nd one is for expected characters, not wanted.

 

[Starblax]

The 2nd one is for expected characters, not wanted.

Are you sure? The bottom 25 has characters like the Ray models, Raiden, and even Goku. 2B placing that high to be expected also seems weird.

 

[Deleted member]

Are you sure? The bottom 25 has characters like the Ray models, Raiden, and even Goku. 2B placing that high to be expected also seems weird.

Yep. They were asking who you anticipated to be in, not wanted. Granted, votes for wanted characters definitely got in, but it’s not super reliable.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I like how Sans is expected.

C'mon Toby Fox, give us Mother 5.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

I voted Crono because I'm pretty sure Sakurai has a soft spot for that game, and anyone from Dragon Quest may have a nice shot.

Sora doesn't seem to fit the Smash criteria but who knows, he would have been my 3rd pick.

I don't think Geno has a chance.

I don't think we're getting another FF fighter.

 

[Icewolff92]

Wait. Waluigi and Isaac also high up? It's one thing that NoJ maybe are unaware with the western audience.. But going by that one, Waluigi and Isaac seem to be big even in Japan...

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Wait. Waluigi and Isaac also high up? It's one thing that NoJ maybe are unaware with the western audience.. But going by that one, Waluigi and Isaac seem to be big even in Japan...

Yeah but they're assist trophies so it's not a huge issue.