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He has been on damage control mode since VGA so that's not so surprising. And no offense to Tansut but he has been right ONE time, and people act like he is a god among leakers. Do I have to bring up Lolz18 that was right about one thing, then later **** the bed? While Tansu might seem more "professional" but he has no track record to speak of yet.
Yeah I'm too skeptical about any leaker at this point, they have been not solid about anything regarding this DLC cycle. And If SE is really as good as they have been with leakbait, I can't imaginei this worst kept secret being real now while none of these leakers have gained any new more solid proof ever since the first name popped out. Why is "this dude and these other dudes heard it as well" the best they got still at this point? I really got nothing against erdrick but the logic behind how this is any confirmation to me is beyond comprehension. If it's true, fine, but the logic behind this is still flawed regardless. If Erdrick is coming i hope he is not the one announced at E3, it wouldn't even be smart to announce a DQ character with FF7R taking all of SE's spotlight this year's E3 lol, it would just damage the attempt of making DQ more relevant outside japan imo when FF7R is so successful everywhere (I would rather get sephiroth if SE planned to do some smart marketing at the same event, to be honest. It would be much better to just announce a microsoft one or something else and leave Erdrick for a later reveal if he is really coming.
After the MvCI fiasco I wouldn't stake a dime on Ryce's word.
"all the leakers are saying the same thing so it must be fake/leakbait" is one of the dumber arguments i've seen thrown around this community. like c'mon. last time all the leakers and insiders aligned, the community ignored them and promptly got owned by the grinch leak. and since no one learns anything, it looks like we're gonna repeat this bull**** with erdrick as well. oh well, at least the reactions will be funny to watch.
Looking at his conversations shared by
ZenythSmash
before, Verge was quite confident of Erdrick even after the whole March debacle when he got a lot of **** wrong. I imagine that regarding leakers, they have at least some reasons as to why they take Verge info into consideration. It's not something that makes Erdrick 100% in but also its premature to call it leakbait considering we don't have any proof at this point regarding Erdrick being used as such and most likely would only know after a potential SE reveal/end of DLC cycle.Tansut has been right about 3 times actually (Cloud reveal, Cloud's release date and also calling the Grinch hoax leak fake). You can be skeptical of him, but still gotten SE stuff right before is quite impressive when no one else did.
Verge leaked Link's Awakening Remake back at the ass end of 2017.
First I've ever heard about this. Got a source on that?
As far as I know, Ryce doesn't have intel on erdrick, he just thinks it would make a lot of sense for erdrick to be in.
Again, going to need a source on that.
Neither of those two have been infallible though.
I'm not gonna bother looking for it, but he made posts on resetera saying that erdrick would make a lot of sense and even posting potential moveset ideas. He never claimed to have a source or make it seem like he believed a leak. He's also said things against vergeben in the past so he's kind of on both sides maybe. Anyway, if there's something new from ryce, somebody can bring it up but i havent seen anything lately from him.
No offense to the pro-grinch leaker, but that leak was so obviously fake that it was not even funny. 7 characters left and he waits one month to reveal them all with Sakurai stating earlier that he wanted to be more secretly then every... Give me break... I get that people wanted that to be real (I would have loved it to be true), but there was only wishful thinking there that kept it alive.
Then where is the supposed Square rep then? They have all said its a matter of time, but still silence... Just like how people claimed Star Fox Grandprix been for the longest time. It's not like that this supposed Square Enix rep was leaked like a month or two ago. If that were the cause, no one would be that skeptic if we are even gonna get one (myself included) We are close to a year yet we have heard NOTHING officially. And hearing from Panda that it looks like Grand Prix is a leak bait... what the fridge says that the mythical Square rep can't be either (as in there is no DLC from Square what so ever)?
I'm mobile bound and bedridden at the moment because of health issues, so someone else is gonna have to do that, I'm afraid
I remember Ryce made a post saying Erdrick and Banjo were the two characters he thought were most likely, with other characters put into their 4 and 5 but uncertain.
Sorry got it wrong. He called the leak fake, my bad if it wasnt understood. And if it was so obviously fake, why most of the community believed on it :b
Hope you feel better OvalI'm mobile bound and bedridden at the moment because of health issues, so someone else is gonna have to do that, I'm afraid
I think you mean Kasumi.
hey listen ive been calling her jane for the past month, cut me a little slack on replacing the name in my mind
Easy.. Wishful thinking over rational thinking.
Despite how vocal I am that Grinch was clearly fake and the community got way too wrapped up in the leak, in other situations where you don't have Sakurai directly stating to fans to not expect too much you COULD potentially to drop lots of information. I'm just saying the possibility can exist, and pretty much a giant information drop did happen explicitly when the game was first revealed as Ultimate. Grinch was obviously unreasonable for a multitude of reasons, but I can see dropping lots of information depending on what and how you're marketing something.
Did we know that an October direct was going to happen and that leak came out like a week prior, then that would have been a different scenario. But the fact that he waited an entire month is the obvious red flag that it was not real. Especially when he openly stated that he was more secretive than ever. https://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/07/18/super-smash-bros-ultimate-creator-avoided-game-leaks/
Not to mention how embarrassing people were behaving over the leak if they were believers. Holy hell, I was so ashamed to be a Banjo and Geno fan during the leak's lifetime in particular. Shadow's fans weren't so bad, but the B-K and Geno posters, ****-posters or not, were making me want to hide in my shell. After that mess, I suppose I can't blame some people for hating the characters and, even if to a lesser extent, hating anyone who's a fan or judging them immediately for being one.
Wait, what's the first part referencing? Grinch and the November 1st Direct were about a week apart.
You CLEARLY didn't read nor know the context of the current situation. Verge already confirmed that the list was leakbait thrown around the moment the list got out. It's not something the community is making up, HE said it. It's not something we are applying to every case here, because this particular case is actually having this situation behind the scenes. HIS WORDS. If he didn't put the SE list situation in the context of being leakbait, no one would be talking about it in such way, we would just bite on whatever he says immediately without second thoughts. Blame him before the community for setting situations in such way.
Yes, I know that it was a week apart with the leaks. But there is a reason why I stated if there was a direct in OCTOBER and one week apart. Having so much information to reveal, and they sit on it for a month with Sakurai openly stated as the link stated... more secretly then ever in mind. You get the jazz of it.
I'm decently on board with the whole idea that we just don't get a Square character this point (To my personal disappointment), but I don't think we should have expected him at the Direct in February either considering they didn't even bother showing Joker off properly at that point. No matter the timing of things, if the character isn't ready or planned to be releasing as the next, immediate character, I don't think will see them. So we won't really know until the final DLC is announced haha.
I’m well aware it was, but I definitely think a great many people were blinded by the potential of such a roster in that regard as almost every facet of that leak fell apart under scrutiny. It was never even close to the ESRB though, that had gameplay and multiple screenshots. This was one OKish looking banner and some bull**** paper trail that didn’t actually link to anything (something I pointed out multiple times, but people were not keen to hear it then and there was a lot of misinformation going around regarding the companies involved).
Leak bait only works when it's applied to a small group of people. Arthur Million is the prime example from Verge's own list, something everybody loves to conveniently forget. For Erdrick to be leakbait; Verge, Tansut, PolarPanda, Xenother And Hitagi had to have gotten it from the same source at SE. Verge's main Smash source who has since thrown their hat in the Erdrick ring seems to be affiliated with Nintendo, so SE leakbait absolutely should not affect his source. PolarPanda's source, I believe, is referred to as a Nintendo Ambassador. Not sure what that exactly means, but They are linked with Nintendo, not SE.
To clarify, Polar's source has not heard Erdrick. Polar is simply throwing her hat in and saying Erdrick sounds likely based on what other leakers have said.
Must have been something lost through the grapevine. Thanks for the clarification.
Nobody's arguing that the grinch leak had numerous holes, next to nothing going for it, and that many, many, people -yourself included- tried to point this out to no avail. However, you yourself even acknowledged that a lot of people did believe, regardless of its complete lack of quality especially compared to the ESRB leak.
Could be but I doubt it. Since a while ago, from around the DS era, SMT mainline series has been pretty much Nintendo-only and Persona minus spinoffs being PS-only. DQXI was kind of blurted by the developers alongside the 3DS and PS4 versions of it, so its a game that already released before now it kinda fuses both versions.
Yeah I think that both were inevitable, just that they were announced long before they were ready to be announced, and Nintendo had a hand in that. I think they wanted to show people that third parties were already on board, the WiiU was NOT instilling much confidence in the brand.
Seems to me you misunderstand a bit how it works when it comes to leaks. The reason they sometimes don't commit or wait to be more confidant is because they dont hear it from their main source. It's both for protection (of the sources) and to sift through information. He's come to say erdrick is in after a while and because one of verge's main sources backs erdrick. You seem to generalize it as if it's all the same, and that's not the landscape of getting good intel..
For those who forgot, someone in this thread--in which I don't remember if it was Polar or Zenyth--mentioned that Vergeben was practically going all in on Erdrick since February. They even posted a snapshot of the conversation. Most of his main Smash sources have said Erdrick. Add that and Tansut, a guy who recently came out explaining how he knew about Cloud months in advance, and it makes a convincing case on the leaker side of things. You might be right. Square Enix might be amazing at leakbait, but Smash Bros has historically proven it is not good at handling leaks. It balances out to Erdrick being a leakable character despite Enix putting out a list of seven names, especially as we get closer to a potential reveal in two months.
