[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[perfectchaos83]

A true 180º from the original FFXIV.

It's funny when you think about it, FFXIV 1.0 can be considered one of the worst MMOs but as it is from 2.0 on, it's a contender for the best. It's amazing how SE was able to turn that around.

 

[MajoraMan28]

Still impressed by how detached from reality the dev team is with certain things.
But it's cool to read for anyone who is into the series.

https://www.khinsider.com/news/Game...ulty-post-game-content-favorite-moments-14813

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I'll second what was said earlier about not being into MMOs as well, but FF14 really just took me there.

 

[Sigran101]

Man, this thread really died down. I guess discussion is kind of stifled now that almost everyone agrees on who it is.

 

[EarlTamm]

Man, this thread really died down. I guess discussion is kind of stifled now that almost everyone agrees on who it is.

I think it's more of a wait and see mentality than anything like that.

 

[Ovaltine]

Man, this thread really died down. I guess discussion is kind of stifled now that almost everyone agrees on who it is.

I think it's more of a wait and see mentality than anything like that.

I'd say it's that along with the consensus that this rep is definitely Erdrick. It kinda stifles any conversation for any other possible Square rep because, at least for Fighter's Pass, it's very unlikely that Nintendo would double dip, especially with stingy ol' Square. We don't know if there's future DLC or not outside of it, so we're working with just the confined four characters (obviously excluding Joker) that we know nothing about. Every other rep's chances, as a result, are abysmally bleak or nonexistent.

 

[Deleted member]

At this point, what's to say other than to not say anything at all?

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Man, this thread really died down. I guess discussion is kind of stifled now that almost everyone agrees on who it is.

Heh, not even that. No really knows who it is.

 

[3DSNinja]

I honestly don't get why because of leakers that either haven't been proven, or have been debunked, erdrick is xonfirmed. Especially since Cloud was only leaked a day before. I am actually thinking that Black Mage is bravw, because the 7 Squares seem like they are leakbait

 

[Ovaltine]

I honestly don't get why because of leakers that either haven't been proven, or have been debunked, erdrick is xonfirmed. Especially since Cloud was only leaked a day before. I am actually thinking that Black Mage is bravw, because the 7 Squares seem like they are leakbait

In my case, Erdrick isn't my preferred rep. It doesn't mean I'd hate his inclusion, especially since it'll make some people I know very happy, but I'd rather steel myself for the potential that the rep isn't my favored pick. On top of that, Tansut, the guy who leaked Cloud, saying it's Erdrick with some details on his alts feels a little damning to me.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

On top of that, Tansut, the guy who leaked Cloud, saying it's Erdrick with some details on his alts feels a little damning to me.

Hmmm. That said, that is admittedly only one thing, and one thing he got hours beforehand.

Let's be honest, the real reason there's not much discussion here isn't some alleged consensus that Erdrick is the one in. It's because there's not really been any clues or updates and at best, we've got hearsay to go off of.

Again, for all we know, there isn't even a Square Enix DLC rep coming.

 

[BZL8]

It is kind of hard to spectulate when things seem to point to Erdrick at this point. The only way for this thread to pick back up currently is if someone claims Square-Enix will get another rep or if someone of high-standing (whether that person is an insider, journalist, or an official communication) deconfirms Erdrick.

I am going to offer my thoughts surrounding DLC in light of a recently revealed game. Some of you already know about it but just in case, refrain from reading if you don’t want a datamined discovery in Smash to spoil you!

Spoiler

I had a few thoughts in mind in light of the reveal of Persona 5: The Royal, especially regarding the ponytailed variant (Jane) of Joker that was discovered by dataminers rummaging through Ultimate’s code. While I am of the mind that P5:R has to come to the Switch due to that datamined content, if “Jane” ends up in Smash Bros and is her sole appearance on a Nintendo platform (that is, P5:R remains PS4 exclusive), it presents several implications in regards to how Nintendo decided on what content should come with a character.

The notable implication would be that Nintendo doesn’t care and are happy to put a character in the game that won’t benefit them at all, which would throw out the idea of “corporate strategy” in terms of the Fighter Pass. If the above plays out (P5:R remains on PS4, and that character ends up in Smash), “Jane” would be the first character/variant whose game never has appeared on a Nintendo platform.

Of course, there is always the possibility the datamined info is dummy code and “Jane” won’t be utilized in the final game. Overall, the information we will get for both P5:R and Smash Bros, as it comes out, could have an impact on newcomer spectulation and implications regarding how Nintendo chose the roster.

EDIT: I am aware about Cloud’s inclusion back in the 3DS/Wii U era. This assumes that P5:R remains a sole exclusive to the PS4.

 

[GoodGrief741]

It is kind of hard to spectulate when things seem to point to Erdrick at this point. The only way for this thread to pick back up currently is if someone claims Square-Enix will get another rep or if someone of high-standing (whether that person is an insider, journalist, or an official communication) deconfirms Erdrick.

I am going to offer my thoughts surrounding DLC in light of a recently revealed game. Some of you already know about it but just in case, refrain from reading if you don’t want a datamined discovery in Smash to spoil you!

Spoiler

I had a few thoughts in mind in light of the reveal of Persona 5: The Royal, especially regarding the ponytailed variant (Jane) of Joker that was discovered by dataminers rummaging through Ultimate’s code. While I am of the mind that P5:R has to come to the Switch due to that datamined content, if “Jane” ends up in Smash Bros and is her sole appearance on a Nintendo platform (that is, P5:R remains PS4 exclusive), it presents several implications in regards to how Nintendo decided on what content should come with a character.

The notable implication would be that Nintendo doesn’t care and are happy to put a character in the game that won’t benefit them at all, which would throw out the idea of “corporate strategy” in terms of the Fighter Pass. If the above plays out (P5:R remains on PS4, and that character ends up in Smash), “Jane” would be the first character/variant whose game never has appeared on a Nintendo platform.

Of course, there is always the possibility the datamined info is dummy code and “Jane” won’t be utilized in the final game. Overall, the information we will get for both P5:R and Smash Bros, as it comes out, could have an impact on newcomer spectulation and implications regarding how Nintendo chose the roster.

EDIT: I am aware about Cloud’s inclusion back in the 3DS/Wii U era. This assumes that P5:R remains a sole exclusive to the PS4.

That's assuming Jane even is the girl in the trailer for P5R. In my opinion, it's much likelier that it's girl Joker from the dancing game.

 

[EarlTamm]

That's assuming Jane even is the girl in the trailer for P5R. In my opinion, it's much likelier that it's girl Joker from the dancing game.

Girl Joker does not have a pony tail though. And why would they choose that for an alt of all things?

 

[GoodGrief741]

Girl Joker does not have a pony tail though. And why would they choose that for an alt of all things?

I dunno, why would they choose a character that as far as we know isn't even Joker? The cop costume works in the way Shulk's shirtless costume works.

 

[BZL8]

I dunno, why would they choose a character that as far as we know isn't even Joker? The cop costume works in the way Shulk's shirtless costume works.

I don’t remember if it was this forum or another forum, but based on the way Maya, the software used to build the in-game character models for Ultimate, works, I think someone said that if a character were to have long hair and not a ponytail, there would be different lines of code for Jane. Someone can check if I am wrong.

 

[EarlTamm]

I dunno, why would they choose a character that as far as we know isn't even Joker? The cop costume works in the way Shulk's shirtless costume works.

And as far as we know it could be Joker. And Shulk was a case of wearing no gear in his original game, not a crossdressing costume you can only use in a spin off. I feel like if they were going to give Joker another set of clothes, it would be his school uniform. Half of Persona 5's gameplay has him in that after all.

Edit: Also Alph is a thing.

 

[Deleted member]

I dunno, why would they choose a character that as far as we know isn't even Joker? The cop costume works in the way Shulk's shirtless costume works.

If we're going off of previous info, Lucina and Dark Pit were originally going to be alternate costumes to Marth and Pit. Given what we know about "Jane" it's a safe guess that this girl is probably what the code refers to, and Sakurai is willing to incorporate her if he has to.

I just want to see what P5R does with her. That'll really decide this.

 

[GoodGrief741]

And as far as we know it could be Joker. And Shulk was a case of wearing no gear in his original game, not a crossdressing costume you can only use in a spin off. I feel like if they were going to give Joker another set of clothes, it would be his school uniform. Half of Persona 5's gameplay has him in that after all.

Edit: Also Alph is a thing.

Given what she says in the teaser, I think it's safer to assume that she's not Joker. And if she isn't Joker and is just a new Phantom Thief, why make her the Alph-style alt instead of any of the others?

Spoiler: Spoilers for Persona 5

I guess it could work if, even if she's not Joker, she works as the PC for a new section taking place while Joker's in jail and thus plays exactly like him.

I also find it weird that P5R is currently being marketed in association with PlayStation. I would expect that if the game gets never-seen-before content in Smash, it would be marketed more in association with Nintendo.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

We don't know if the girl in the trailer is even Jane. She could be. She also could be lying through her teeth, explaining why she doesn't seem like essentially a female Joker. Who knows. We'll find out her real role soon enough.

Jane is definitely the name of the costume we're getting for Joker, and the name actually makes it clear it's a female alt alone.

As for the whole Erdrick thing? No, he isn't guaranteed. He's not confirmed either. He's just a reasonable possibility right now. There's multiple possibilities. Though I wouldn't be surprised if he's in, as he really is unexpected for a lot of people, due to being a niche character at best(unless you're in Japan, and not everybody knows him by name either. Though that's a minority of people who aren't DQ fans. He's kind of a Cloud-level character. Not in the sense of being niche, since only one of them is, but you'd be surprised how many don't know who he is despite that. That's a good description of his Japanese presence; super well known but a minority of people won't know him by name). If the point of Joker is having somewhat niche characters for unexpected picks, it does fit.

 

[Ovaltine]

As for the whole Erdrick thing? No, he isn't guaranteed. He's not confirmed either. He's just a reasonable possibility right now. There's multiple possibilities. Though I wouldn't be surprised if he's in, as he really is unexpected for a lot of people, due to being a niche character at best(unless you're in Japan, and not everybody knows him by name either. Though that's a minority of people who aren't DQ fans. He's kind of a Cloud-level character. Not in the sense of being niche, since only one of them is, but you'd be surprised how many don't know who he is despite that. That's a good description of his Japanese presence; super well known but a minority of people won't know him by name).

Pretty much, that's the logical way to think about it and I frankly agree, but...

In my heart, he's pretty much guaranteed, mostly because I'm 100% positive Geno is dead in the water. :')

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Pretty much, that's the logical way to think about it and I frankly agree, but...

In my heart, he's pretty much guaranteed, mostly because I'm 100% positive Geno is dead in the water. :')

I can't give Erdrick more than maybe an 80% now myself. Once I understood the real reason Leakers are saying he's in(due to assuming the datamine of Brave can somehow only fit Erdrick, which isn't a reasonable approach), that only left Tansut and the 7 Names Leak. So he's still reasonable, but I won't pretend we have any hard information to justify him being a lock.

 

[Sigran101]

I'm still not 100% on Erdrick. The only real evidence is leakers. I'd believe them more if they didn't all just get leakbaited by Nintendo at the game awards.

 

[TheYungLink]

Given that we had the indie showcase direct last Wednesday, the pattern that a regular Nintendo Direct comes two weeks after means that next Wednesday, or next week in general, is the next Nintendo Direct.

There's not much to discuss, but in the meantime we all have games to play to wait out the next announcement. We don't need to congregate within this thread to "prove" that a consensus hasn't been reached; some of us have games to play, movies to watch, and classes to study for.

 

[MajoraMan28]

I'm still not 100% on Erdrick. The only real evidence is leakers. I'd believe them more if they didn't all just get leakbaited by Nintendo at the game awards.

Not just in TGA. The whole setting behind this is uncanny.
Having info on the rep this long before revealing raises some flags for me

Also, reminder that tomorrow comes FFVII for the Switch!!
This is THE Final Fantasy to play!!!

Also, ironically, Sony is copying Nintendo yet again and they will have their first Direct tonight in 2h30mins
And news on FFVII Remake, other Square projects, as well as Atlus and Capcom games are likely to show up.

 

[Deleted member]

Given that we had the indie showcase direct last Wednesday, the pattern that a regular Nintendo Direct comes two weeks after means that next Wednesday, or next week in general, is the next Nintendo Direct.

There's not much to discuss, but in the meantime we all have games to play to wait out the next announcement. We don't need to congregate within this thread to "prove" that a consensus hasn't been reached; some of us have games to play, movies to watch, and classes to study for.

Exactly, there are quite a few things we can play atm. FFVII is being released, and I think the SE sale is still on. Although the game is a bit difficult, I recommend picking Romancing Saga 2 as it's one of the most interesting RPGs out there.

 

[Teeb147]

I think nintendo's last direct was a great time to put out a bit more smash info, but clearly they dont mind making us wait :O

I still think we can get a smash direct in early april, but the thing going against that is in the case they were waiting for Atlus' timeline to reveal jane so that they can show her too. But the concert with info on p5r is the 24th of april, so that would put it very late in the month to both show a direct as well as give us joker.
I mean, it wouldn't be all unlike them to do it soon after the direct, but I just feel like they'd do the direct earlier than th 24th (especially with the nindies pattern). I'm actually really not sure how april is going to go, but somehow i think we'll be getting something early in the month too. I dunno what, but I'm going to try being a bit optimistic on it.

Now here's the thing, atlus says next info is on the 24th, but will they really skip P5R info at Sega Fes when they're supposed to cover persona there? Maybe just maybe they'll reveal enough into on that date and we might get some smash stuff earlier in the month. I'm not strong on that, but I do think it's possible and I hope for it.

But yeah besides that we just have to learn to be patient and enjoy or keep busy with what we have rather than just looking to what's coming

I'm going to be happy in any case if we do end up getting our new persona girl as jane. And I think that's just freakin incredibly likely because of everything.
And then the next reveal.. I still really hope it's who some of us think it is XD It is still a mystery tho. And that's cool too.

 

[BZL8]

The idea of it was in my head for some time, but what if Joker's Smash Bros. gameplay trailer were to debut during the Persona Super Live Concert? It would make sense to be honest.

I am kind of out of the loop on this so I might get things mixed up, but I heard claims that people were expecting a Square-Enix character reveal at TGA, but how did they not catch Joker? Not sure if it had anything to do with Metroid Prime 4's development troubles, but I don't think the decision to reveal Joker at TGA was a last-minute decision and I personally think Production I.G.'s work for Joker's trailer finished a while before TGA.

If Joker was truly a last-minute decision, I am sure we would have heard about Nintendo shuffling things around in the weeks leading up to TGA, whether MP4's troubles were known or not.

 

[Nazyrus]

I'm still not 100% on Erdrick. The only real evidence is leakers. I'd believe them more if they didn't all just get leakbaited by Nintendo at the game awards.

My stance precisely. They could all be leakbaited for anything at this point imo, DLC-wise. I don't have nor see a solid reason to believe a specific character yet.

 

[Teeb147]

My stance precisely. They could all be leakbaited for anything at this point imo, DLC-wise. I don't have nor see a solid reason to believe a specific character yet.

I'd think that different leakers would have different sources. And leakbait would only work if you tell different people different things so you can weed out who said what.

It also happens to fit with 'brave'. But .. we've already talked about all of this plenty. It never confirms, just ups the chances. I'm no anywhere as high as 80% :O
I definitely think it tips in erdrick's favor tho

 

[Deleted member]

I'd think that different leakers would have different sources. And leakbait would only work if you tell different people different things so you can weed out who said what.

It also happens to fit with 'brave'. But .. we've already talked about all of this plenty. It never confirms, just ups the chances. I'm no anywhere as high as 80% :O
I definitely think it tips in erdrick's favor tho

Right. The possibility of this being the greatest leakbait ever conceived is still looming, but I still have my hopes high.

 

[BZL8]

Honestly, this whole talk among insiders regarding Erdrick is giving me "Star Fox Grand Prix" vibes. As much as Erdrick is one of my picks, should a different Square-Enix character be chosen, especially one that is neither of the seven on the poll, this would only lead to stronger credibility that either something got mixed up in on the insiders' side (you sure talk about Dragon Quest and fighting games didn't get mixed up with Jump Force?) or Nintendo is having "sources" feeding insiders false info to blur things around. The former would be more likely in my opinion, given the circumstances surrounding "Grand Prix".

Of course, I'll be happy if Erdrick gets in, but if he doesn't in the end, I wouldn't be surprised if this whole talk ended up being a huge farce.

EDIT: Copy-pasting the ResetEra post in question if you can't read it. I've bolded the most important part of Jason's post.

So since I know a lot of you care deeply about this thing, let me make a quick comment. The way I constructed this story was very deliberate, and it was very heavily couched because I wasn't nearly as sure as I usually am when I report on these things. When I have confirmed something firsthand with my own sources who have direct knowledge of information, you'll see me be a lot clearer. (ie: "Sources: Watch Dogs 3 Is Real And Set In London.") When I'm sharing something that I think is true but can't confidently confirm (which is fairly uncommon), you'll see me be a lot more careful with my words, like this:

A piping hot new E3 rumor suggests that Retro Studios, the Nintendo-owned developer behind the Metroid Prime trilogy, is making a Star Fox racing game. These rumors have been floating around gossipy Nintendo fan and writer circles for at least a few weeks now, but they’ve only gone public today, suggesting that Retro’s new game is called Star Fox: Grand Prix.

We’ve heard the same from a source plugged into goings-on at Nintendo, and we’ve also heard from two other sources that the Austin, Texas-based Retro had a separate project that went through a rocky development cycle and may in fact be canceled.

The second part of that statement I am still very confident in. Retro has had a troubled last few years, from what I've heard.

But today I spoke to the person I referred to as "a source plugged into goings-on at Nintendo" in that article and they are no longer confident that Star Fox Grand Prix is real. I won't burn my sources or say anything that could possibly identify them, but it's very, very possible that this is one of those rumors that never had much air in the first place. A lot of Nintendo rumor-mongers talk to each other, a lot of things get lost in translation, and sometimes what appears to be coming from multiple sources might actually be coming from a ring of people sharing information with one another. That's why I try to be very careful when it comes to reporting on Nintendo-related gossip that comes my way. So much of that stuff has turned out to be bunk, even from extremely reputable reporters.

Ultimately, I don't know if Star Fox Grand Prix is real or was ever real. I'm not as interested in that question as I am in the question of how the recent Metroid Prime 4 deal came together (and just what's been happening at Retro over the past few years), but that's a story that has proven difficult to tell. Hopefully one day!

 

[Teeb147]

Honestly, this whole talk among insiders regarding Erdrick is giving me "Star Fox Grand Prix" vibes. As much as Erdrick is one of my picks, should a different Square-Enix character be chosen, especially one that is neither of the seven on the poll, this would only lead to stronger credibility that either something got mixed up in on the insiders' side (you sure talk about Dragon Quest and fighting games didn't get mixed up with Jump Force?) or Nintendo is having "sources" feeding insiders false info to blur things around. The former would be more likely in my opinion, given the circumstances surrounding "Grand Prix".

Of course, I'll be happy if Erdrick gets in, but if he doesn't in the end, I wouldn't be surprised if this whole talk ended up being a huge farce.

Considering how much japan loves Dragon Quest, I really doubt they'd give out false hope for it like that. And, Dai doesn't have a female alt.
I dont know much about Star Fox Grand Prix, not really sure what all went on there.

I really think it shouldn't be long before we get the next reveal, so we just need to hold out a bit for some info. ;p

 

[Deleted member]

I'm going to be happy in any case if we do end up getting our new persona girl as jane. And I think that's just freakin incredibly likely because of everything.
And then the next reveal.. I still really hope it's who some of us think it is XD It is still a mystery tho. And that's cool too.

I'm looking forward to your reactions (if they get in). Nice avi

The idea of it was in my head for some time, but what if Joker's Smash Bros. gameplay trailer were to debut during the Persona Super Live Concert? It would make sense to be honest.

I am kind of out of the loop on this so I might get things mixed up, but I heard claims that people were expecting a Square-Enix character reveal at TGA, but how did they not catch Joker? Not sure if it had anything to do with Metroid Prime 4's development troubles, but I don't think the decision to reveal Joker at TGA was a last-minute decision and I personally think Production I.G.'s work for Joker's trailer finished a while before TGA.

If Joker was truly a last-minute decision, I am sure we would have heard about Nintendo shuffling things around in the weeks leading up to TGA, whether MP4's troubles were known or not.

I have no idea. I only follow Vergeben and Tansut as reliable Smash leakers. Vergeben only said that the "SE rep" (in which he wasn't sure who it was until February) would be revealed first, so Joker ****ed him over there. Verge never said anything conclusive about TGA. Tansut said the Dragon Quest character wouldn't be announced any time soon in, like, December.

I'm still not 100% on Erdrick. The only real evidence is leakers. I'd believe them more if they didn't all just get leakbaited by Nintendo at the game awards.

Pretty much my stance. It feels so certain but there are still a lot of things going on inside we don't know.

 

[Sigran101]

Right. The possibility of this being the greatest leakbait ever conceived is still looming, but I still have my hopes high.

It wouldn't be the greatest leakbait ever conceived. It's got about as many people backing it and believing it as Prime 4 at TGA did. We just talk about smash a lot more.

 

[Deleted member]

EDIT: Copy-pasting the ResetEra post in question if you can't read it. I've bolded the most important part of Jason's post.

"But today I spoke to the person I referred to as "a source plugged into goings-on at Nintendo" in that article and they are no longer confident that Star Fox Grand Prix is real. I won't burn my sources or say anything that could possibly identify them, but it's very, very possible that this is one of those rumors that never had much air in the first place. A lot of Nintendo rumor-mongers talk to each other, a lot of things get lost in translation, and sometimes what appears to be coming from multiple sources might actually be coming from a ring of people sharing information with one another. That's why I try to be very careful when it comes to reporting on Nintendo-related gossip that comes my way. So much of that stuff has turned out to be bunk, even from extremely reputable reporters. "

Strange. It always feels like Smash info is just readily leaked with a higher batting average. Plus Tansut is implied to be someone on the Square side of things while Verge is more reliable on Smash. Nintendo being hard to leak is one thing, but two sources from different sides are saying the same thing here (which is "Dragon Quest"). Curious to see what went down if this is leakbait.

 

[Deleted member]

This talk about Erdrick leakbait or not is getting tiresome, a lot of this can only be proven or disproven much later and at this moment its just pretty much a back and forth. I think its ok for discussions to slow down, dont think its healthy nor fun to be 24/7 on speculation mode.

 

[Sigran101]

This talk about Erdrick leakbait or not is getting tiresome, a lot of this can only be proven or disproven much later and at this moment its just pretty much a back and forth. I think its ok for discussions to slow down, dont think its healthy nor fun to be 24/7 on speculation mode.

Yeah, at this point it's Erdrick or it's not. Nothing new will change until Sakurai reveals who it is.

 

[Deleted member]

This talk about Erdrick leakbait or not is getting tiresome, a lot of this can only be proven or disproven much later and at this moment its just pretty much a back and forth. I think its ok for discussions to slow down, dont think its healthy nor fun to be 24/7 on speculation mode.

But muh opinions

 

[MajoraMan28]

5 mins for the presentation, and I'm having stupid expectations.
What's wrong with me?