[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[Teeb147]

The eyes to feet distance seems plausible but still doesnt convince me 100% honestly, some characters end up with really strange measure then considering the artstyle and that it doesnt explain Bowser being 33% bigger than Ridley. Unless we have a way to verify it, I doubt its a value that we can say it doesnt change too much.

What's bowser's value? Just looking at the game, bowser looks maybe 25% taller than ridley.

But anyway, maybe it doesn't matter too much. It'd be nice to see al the values, but ive already asked for them. not gonna keep at it.

 

[Luigi The President]

Brave stuff aside, let me extend some of that

Verge: hasn't personally called Erdrick yet asides the DQ ports stuff, the "unfortunately leaked" compiled S-E list had Erdrick as the most mentioned, also shot down Sora.
Tansut: calls on Erdrick and says he's not even far on development, backs partially of the 5channel rumor due to the character and genderswap costumes, can't say for the pallet swaps or the Alegard stage
GameXplain: Jon Cartwright thinks its 100% true with a gut feel, others are 90-95% or thinks Steve/Erdrick are happening.
SpawnWave: says Erdrick was talked in insider circles for a good while
LeakyPandy: tweeted about DQ a while ago, made claims about the DLC updates and TGAs, days later before the TGAs Leaky said most of the TGAs stuff fell apart.
Imran: not sure about the 5ch rumor, but provided an Tecmo-related interview he did with Shimbori dodging a question about Smash.
Xenother: backed Erdrick, also provided evidence him hearing and discussing about Erdrick to Hitagi many weeks ago prior.
Hitagi: had his own S-E name list as well, said it was looking to be a Dragon Quest newcomer. Later on said the S-E rep being DQ "is looking good"

other insider folks like Liam, Emily, king_zell, etc. have yet to say anything about the rumor

regardless what they say, we still don't know if Brave is really Erdrick. Tansut's claims feels very close to Brave's situation, but of course its not really convincing the skeptical public

Thank you for reconvincing me to 100% believe it's Erdrick instead of the 99% I had yesterday
God damn. What a list

 

[Deleted member]

What's bowser's value? Just looking at the game, bowser looks maybe 25% taller than ridley.

But anyway, maybe it doesn't matter too much. It'd be nice to see al the values, but ive already asked for them. not gonna keep at it.

He looks a bit taller and supposedly Boswer height was around 24 if I recall, but then yeah, its difficult to make conclusions with lack of data. Dunno what would you use this data for.

 

[Teeb147]

He looks a bit taller and supposedly Boswer height was around 24 if I recall, but then yeah, its difficult to make conclusions with lack of data. Dunno what would you use this data for.

24? Ok that's really good to know. Because that's close enough to double the amount of 'brave'. And I had a theory that maybe 13 is a default amount. It's almost smack in the middle, anyway.

 

[Deleted member]

If Erdrick was to cast multiple spells, a Monado Wheel sort of selection would be optimal. That or a Bonus Fruit/Thunder Tome deal where the properties and move depend on how long it's charged.

 

[Luigi The President]

I don't see how Erdrick, Girl Erdrick, and Luminary can all co-exist in one slot tbh

 

[Ovaltine]

I don't see how Erdrick, Girl Erdrick, and Luminary can all co-exist in one slot tbh

Same, but with that said, maybe Luminary's colors will be available as an alt, not necessarily Luminary himself?

Save Erdrick's hair from becoming greasy and flat

 

[Teeb147]

I don't see how Erdrick, Girl Erdrick, and Luminary can all co-exist in one slot tbh

Well i might've said the same about bowser jr. before they put em all in one slot.
I really wouldn't mind it, but does the name 'hero' fit the luminary? But yeah, even just the costume would be great. And really, even if erdrick doesn't change class in the game, changing classes is a huge thing of DQ, so I think it would make sense as a rep to have different costumes like that.

 

[Luigi The President]

Well i might've said the same about bowser jr. before they put em all in one slot.
I really wouldn't mind it, but does the name 'hero' fit the luminary? But yeah, even just the costume would be great. And really, even if erdrick doesn't change class in the game, changing classes is a huge thing of DQ, so I think it would make sense as a rep to have different costumes like that.

No
What I mean is that'd be 3 characters
Why would they do something so weirdly uneven
Erdrick, Girl Erdrick, Luminary...
...and no other DQ protag? Like what's the purpose then?

 

[Deleted member]

No
What I mean is that'd be 3 characters
Why would they do something so weirdly uneven
Erdrick, Girl Erdrick, Luminary...
...and no other DQ protag? Like what's the purpose then?

Advertisement I guess

 

[Luigi The President]

Advertisement I guess

Sakurai doesn't seem to pursue that route though. There wasn't a Ghostly Adventures Pac-Man.

 

[Ovaltine]

Sakurai doesn't seem to pursue that route though. There wasn't a Ghostly Adventures Pac-Man.

And thank God for that.

 

[Deleted member]

I always thought that if we had alts for Erdrick it would be like a Bowser Jr. + Koopalings situation where you have several alts but its unbalanced gender-wise. Only Female versions that work as alts would be Femdrick, 4 protag, Anlucia supposedly, and stretching the 9 protag since that one didn't had a hero class.

 

[Deleted member]

Sakurai doesn't seem to pursue that route though. There wasn't a Ghostly Adventures Pac-Man.

That's true but if the Character is Erdrick it isn't really the same thing, If Pac-Man were to have the Ghostly adventures design that would be his Default design and not an alt while with Erdrick Luminary would just be an Alt.

 

[Nazyrus]

The only way i could see so many DQ characters in smash is not everyone as playable. One playable, one AT, one spirit (or more than one AT and spirits, whatever), etc. Maybe Playable: Erdrick, AT: Slime, Spirit: Luminary. Or something along those lines.

 

[andree123]

Had anyone noticed that in the credits of Ultimate there are two empty slots in the voice actor list, they could be both be filled by the voice actors of Female and Male Erdrick.

 

[Luigi The President]

Had anyone noticed that in the credits of Ultimate there are two empty slots in the voice actor list, they could be both be filled by the voice actors of Female and Male Erdrick.

Uhh...no. Not how that works.
This implies the rest of the DLC voice actors would get nothing in the credits.

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

Uhh...no. Not how that works.
This implies the rest of the DLC voice actors would get nothing in the credits.

So the DLC will have 2 mute characters and 2 voiced characters?

 

[Deleted member]

Had anyone noticed that in the credits of Ultimate there are two empty slots in the voice actor list, they could be both be filled by the voice actors of Female and Male Erdrick.

*Cough* Joker *Cough*

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

*Cough* Joker *Cough*

Joker has the same voice actor as the Announcer.

 

[shinhed-echi]

No
What I mean is that'd be 3 characters
Why would they do something so weirdly uneven
Erdrick, Girl Erdrick, Luminary...
...and no other DQ protag? Like what's the purpose then?

Well that could be because:

1) That's all they could leak?
and/or
2) Back when it was leaked, that's just how far along the character was.

And there was supposed to be Andalucía, making them 2 males, 2 females. If logic would dictate that we could get 2 more males and 2 more females, there's a lot of male protags to choose from (Eight and Descendant perhaps? Or Solo from my avatar) And there's not many workable female protags... Only Solo's female counterpart Sofia, and the default female Celestrian from DQIX.

 

[Rumble Red]

If Erdrick was to cast multiple spells, a Monado Wheel sort of selection would be optimal. That or a Bonus Fruit/Thunder Tome deal where the properties and move depend on how long it's charged.

Something like Shulk's Monado Arts could happen, but I don't much like the idea of making a Dragon Quest character too complicated or gimmicky. DQ's mission statement (if you like) is being straightforward and accessible, so a character representing it should be relatively approachable.

I could definitely see spells like Zap or Frizz being chargeable into their more powerful versions, though. That's how spells work in Dragon Quest Heroes, and that could easily carry over.

 

[BluePikmin11]

https://nintendoeverything.com/saku...sh-bros-ultimate-creating-entertainment-more/

Sakurai talks about Dragon Quest Builders 2:

Happy new year! I say that, but… This was actually written at the end of the year. I haven’t taken a huge end-of-project break, and I haven’t traveled anywhere; rather, I took a three-day weekend over Christmas… And Dragon Quest Builders 2 took up all that time!!

And then there’s DQ Builders 2… I’ve been waiting for it! It’s a dangerous game though, I could get caught up in mining or prepping the soil forever! It just isn’t possible to finish the game without getting sidetracked at some point. I wonder if it’d be the one thing I’d take to a desert island… Only if it were completely empty, though.

you know what this means.

Spoiler

steve confirmed baby.

 

[Xigger]

The eyes to feet distance FACE-GROUND DISTANCE seems plausible but still doesnt convince me 100% honestly, some characters end up with really strange measure then considering the artstyle and that it doesnt explain Bowser being 33% bigger than Ridley. Unless we have a way to verify it, I doubt its a value that we can say it doesnt change too much.

I have to defend my baby FACE-GROUND DISTANCE™, so here's a picture of Bowser's face higher than Ridley. Ridley's eyes are 14 squares high, Bowser's are 18, it's about a ~30% difference.

NONE SHALL DOUBT THE POWER OF FACE-GROUND DISTANCE™

 

[Ovaltine]

I have to defend my baby FACE-GROUND DISTANCE™, so here's a picture of Bowser's face higher than Ridley. Ridley's eyes are 14 squares high, Bowser's are 18, it's about a ~30% difference.

NONE SHALL DOUBT THE POWER OF FACE-GROUND DISTANCE™

Dang, uh. That's really... just about right.

Xigger, in terms of the general idea of what those height parameters tend to point towards, I think you ended up nailing it. That makes everything about that theory make perfect sense now.

 

[Idon]

I have to defend my baby FACE-GROUND DISTANCE™, so here's a picture of Bowser's face higher than Ridley. Ridley's eyes are 14 squares high, Bowser's are 18, it's about a ~30% difference.

NONE SHALL DOUBT THE POWER OF FACE-GROUND DISTANCE™

So what you're saying is Erdrick could potentially be super hunched over.

 

[PsySmasher]

I have to defend my baby FACE-GROUND DISTANCE™, so here's a picture of Bowser's face higher than Ridley. Ridley's eyes are 14 squares high, Bowser's are 18, it's about a ~30% difference.

NONE SHALL DOUBT THE POWER OF FACE-GROUND DISTANCE™

That... actually makes sense.

I’m genuinely surprised that I get to say that sentence in this thread.

 

[Deleted member]

I have to defend my baby FACE-GROUND DISTANCE™, so here's a picture of Bowser's face higher than Ridley. Ridley's eyes are 14 squares high, Bowser's are 18, it's about a ~30% difference.

NONE SHALL DOUBT THE POWER OF FACE-GROUND DISTANCE™

Do you actually have the height value of every fighter? If we go by the video comparing heights, the face-to-ground distance is all over the place. I want to see K. Rool's and some others just to verify it. For some reason I feel when we're checking one box of the mystery we leave open another one.

 

[Xigger]

Do you actually have the height value of every fighter?

Unfortunately not, I haven't taken a look at the data myself, I just wanted to point out the correlations. But some of the users talking passionately about the data ought to have the full list

 

[fleshdude.gov]

I have to defend my baby FACE-GROUND DISTANCE™, so here's a picture of Bowser's face higher than Ridley. Ridley's eyes are 14 squares high, Bowser's are 18, it's about a ~30% difference.

NONE SHALL DOUBT THE POWER OF FACE-GROUND DISTANCE™

Ridley's height's 18, and Bowser's is 24, though.

Likewise, doing measurements with Ness and Mario, their heights by that logic would be 10 and 12. Their actual heights, however, are known to be 13 and 14.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

https://nintendoeverything.com/saku...sh-bros-ultimate-creating-entertainment-more/

Sakurai talks about Dragon Quest Builders 2:





you know what this means.

Spoiler

steve confirmed baby.

The man has great taste in games, I loved the first Dragon Quest Builders and I can't wait for the second one to come over here! One thing I really appreciate about Sakurai is that you can just tell he has a true passion for creating AND playing games. This shows in all the fine details he puts in them.

 

[shinhed-echi]

So what you're saying is Erdrick could potentially be super hunched over.

I mean, I've seen Erdrick in more hunched Battle poses than standing up Battle stances.

But IDK. Applied to him, it feels like a stretch. I Guess Erdrick won't feel real until it's real.

 

[Deleted member]

Unfortunately not, I haven't taken a look at the data myself, I just wanted to point out the correlations. But some of the users talking passionately about the data ought to have the full list

Issue is that trying to correlate in general seems to be off, as when we try to answer with a supposition we just end up creating another inconsistencies.

 

[DaxMasterix]

Inb4 the SE rep is Dragon Quest Builder

 

[Deleted member]

I have to defend my baby FACE-GROUND DISTANCE™, so here's a picture of Bowser's face higher than Ridley. Ridley's eyes are 14 squares high, Bowser's are 18, it's about a ~30% difference.

NONE SHALL DOUBT THE POWER OF FACE-GROUND DISTANCE™

I wish I knew Coding and stuff so I could just upload pictures for all of the character data and We all could have a much more grounded perspective. I'm surprised nobody has tried to dig into the Data yet.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

So what you're saying is Erdrick could potentially be super hunched over.

Well, essentially, it sounds like anyone who's naturally taller would be either hunched or squating. Sora is a keen example considering his usual battle stance.

 

[shinhed-echi]

So things might look good for #teamhunchederdrick after all!

Go team!
.........
That's the spirit!

 

[Teeb147]

True, Sora can lean forward. But Im not sure they'd have a standing animation like that. And I think a dq hero would be standing tall.

Well anyway, it's still just early stats. .I'm not sure what to think really, but we'll know more later.

 

[Untouch]

It doesn't have something to do with where the head is, I thought that too, but compare K Rool and Bowser.
K Rool is height 21, and Bowser is Height 24, but K Rool's head is higher as he's less hunched over.
I don't think it has anything to do with anything visually.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I'm trying to think of characters who hunch over drastically between idle stance and walking/jogging/running animations.

Charizard, K.Rool, Cloud, Little Mac, Inkling, and Duck Hunt come to mind for characters who stand tall for idle, and are closer to the floor when running.

As for the other way around, characters who hunch when standing but are taller when running, I can't think of many.
Wolf?