[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[Rumble Red]

I'd actually prefer a smaller, more child-like Erdrick. Not like the NES-era chibi version, but something more like how he appears on the cover of the recent artbook, slimmer and cuter than his SNES design. It's true that at 16 he's about the same age as a lot of characters of his type in Smash, but... y'know, Shulk didn't have to be dragged out of bed to go save the world by his mom. Playing him up as a plucky kid would give him something of his own.

Not that I think he'd come out Ness-sized, but is anyone actually sure about that parameter?

 

[TheCJBrine]

Maybe he's a slow Young Link with Slime powers.

 

[Idon]

I can't stand the anticipation anymore, I just want to get it revealed already

 

[TreeBranch]

I would definitely prefer chibi Erdrick. I'm not too much of a fan of his other designs. Which one does the data support again?

 

[Deleted member]

I would definitely prefer chibi Erdrick. I'm not too much of a fan of his other designs. Which one does the data support again?

Brave is about the size of Toon Link, going solely off the ingame data, so that would likely be the NES style design.
However, without a model it's hard to determine their exact size since there may be parts of the model that aren't counted in the height (such as Isabelle's hairdo, etc.)

 

[GoodGrief741]

Ah, okay. I'll take that. My bad.
Edit: in the future you should start with that so it doesn't sound like you are calling someone a liar.

Didn’t know there was a protocol to tell somebody they made a mistake.

 

[Jboy1010]

That moment when Geno and slime are very high contenders again... unless you count a kid erdrick or crouching sora

 

[Fatmanonice]

I'd actually prefer a smaller, more child-like Erdrick. Not like the NES-era chibi version, but something more like how he appears on the cover of the recent artbook, slimmer and cuter than his SNES design. It's true that at 16 he's about the same age as a lot of characters of his type in Smash, but... y'know, Shulk didn't have to be dragged out of bed to go save the world by his mom. Playing him up as a plucky kid would give him something of his own.

Not that I think he'd come out Ness-sized, but is anyone actually sure about that parameter?

It's one of those "give or take" things. Note how Isabelle and Toon Link are the same height if you go by their actual heads. Whether the actual in game model is more or less, it probably wouldn't make that much of a difference. The takeaway is that Brave is pretty short and the final size is not likely to be significantly different.

 

[fleshdude.gov]

Brave is about the size of Toon Link, going solely off the ingame data, so that would likely be the NES style design.
However, without a model it's hard to determine their exact size since there may be parts of the model that aren't counted in the height (such as Isabelle's hairdo, etc.)

It'll be original toon Erdrick but his hair isn't part of his hitbox and it ends up doubling his height

 

[Calane]

I was under the impression that the whole "shorter than Luigi" thing was proven false due to this post:



According to this, there's nothing indicating how tall or short "Brave" actually is. The height/size stuff apparently only changes how big or small a character's model is (like making Kirby giant, or Bowser really small). Am I misinformed about the situation or something?

 

[StormC]

He had nothing to do with the ballot. He was chosen long before it. It was Sakurai`s own decision. Bayo was the ballot character.

Neither was added because of the ballot. Both have data existing as early as 4/15/2015. The timeline required for these characters to be licensed and implemented within 15 days of the ballot starting is borderline unfeasible.

Sakurai said Cloud was the most requested/popular Final Fantasy character, never anything about the ballot. Bayonetta was said to just score highly, not that she was necessarily picked because of it.

 

[kirby3021]

If the stats look like a mid-weight floaty zoner, I wonder if Neku from TWEWY might fit the bill? Just a thought.

 

[osby]

Neither was added because of the ballot. Both have data existing as early as 4/15/2015. The timeline required for these characters to be licensed and implemented within 15 days of the ballot starting is borderline unfeasible.

Sakurai said Cloud was the most requested/popular Final Fantasy character, never anything about the ballot. Bayonetta was said to just score highly, not that she was necessarily picked because of it.

You don't necessarily need to negotiate and design a character to put place holder data for them to the game.

 

[Fatmanonice]

That's the thing though, if it's Kid Erdrick, the intel we've been getting is probably wrong because everyone was insisting it was the adult version and the female version that people also insisted was coming too does not have a canon child design. I also doubt it's a "chibi" version because Smash tries to follow the intended designs of characters. For example, Pit and Simon were simply updated from their original designs and chibi is literally a simplification. It would be like if Link suddenly showed up in Smash as a new version of Toon Link.

 

[shocktarts17]

If the stats look like a mid-weight floaty zoner, I wonder if Neku from TWEWY might fit the bill? Just a thought.

hmm...
You know from watching videos it looks like it does kinda fit, maybe someone who has played the game can confirm but he sure looks like a floaty, slidy, zoner fighter.

 

[StormC]

That's the thing though, if it's Kid Erdrick, the intel we've been getting is probably wrong because everyone was insisting it was the adult version and the female version that people also insisted was coming too does not have a canon child design. I also doubt it's a "chibi" version because Smash tries to follow the intended designs of characters. For example, Pit and Simon were simply updated from their original designs and chibi is literally a simplification. It would be like if Link suddenly showed up in Smash as a new version of Toon Link.

Mega Man though.

You don't necessarily need to negotiate and design a character to put place holder data for them to the game.

It's possible I guess, but it seems like a risk to put in placeholder data before you're even sure the character can be used.

From what I understand though, based on what dataminers have said, the time it takes to test and implement that kind of data in a patch takes longer than two weeks.

 

[Deleted member]

Like I said before, thinking the codename can give different results and the copy pasted data gives inconclusive results as to what the moveset would look especially when we have zero idea about what "brave" looks like. By the stats alone, and if the height size indicates ness-size character, and adding the weight I would think its a character that its a bit chubby.
If it's Erdrick, another option is that he would be using an updated kid Erdrick design from Toriyama. And the design would look like the ones in DQIX.

 

[Calane]

I'm pretty confused here. What's making people believe that "Brave" is Ness-sized?

 

[Fatmanonice]

StormC Megaman's not chibi though unless you're referring to something else.

 

[shocktarts17]

I'm pretty confused here. What's making people believe that "Brave" is Ness-sized?

Not an expert, but even if the data is incomplete you could compare what you have to the rest of the cast and see roughly what you can expect. In this case even if we don't have the model if we compare the height to other characters it's closest to Ness.

 

[ZenythSmash]

I'm pretty confused here. What's making people believe that "Brave" is Ness-sized?

the same people still haven't got the message from Mizumi saying height doesn't matter and parameters will get changed like Plant and Sm4sh!Cloud

 

[shocktarts17]

the same people still haven't got the message from Mizumi saying height doesn't matter and parameters will get changed like Plant and Sm4sh!Cloud

Changed =/= completely redone.

What we can see when we look at what is here is a rough idea of what the character will be like, its clear they are designing this character to have similar stats to other zoners and have a certain size. Some things may change but those overall things probably won't.

 

[Calane]

Not an expert, but even if the data is incomplete you could compare what you have to the rest of the cast and see roughly what you can expect. In this case even if we don't have the model if we compare the height to other characters it's closest to Ness.

Yeah, but the size/height stuff doesn't really mean anything. It just sizes the model up or down and has nothing to do with how tall or short the character actually is.

I just posted it, but I'll post it nice and big so everybody sees it.

 

[Deleted member]

If anything sizes seem to be pretty inconsistent and depend more on the artstyle going for the character...

 

[shocktarts17]

Yeah, but the size/height stuff doesn't really mean anything. It just sizes the model up or down and has nothing to do with how tall or short the character actually is.

I just posted it, but I'll post it nice and big so everybody sees it.

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Well it's not like they are gonna design the model huge/tiny and then size it up or down, they probably know roughly what size they're aiming for and put that in.

Even if they didn't it doesn't mean we know nothing, if one character has stat x,y,z and I know stat x and z for another character we can make some rough comparisons even without the rest of the data.

If anything sizes seem to be pretty inconsistent and depend more on the artstyle going for the character...

That didn't look right so I found this

I think the other one was edited.

 

[shocktarts17]

crap double post

 

[Rumble Red]

"Kid" Erdrick isn't a child version of Erdrick, he's just drawn in a different style.

Toriyama's art style has varied a lot over the years. Check out liquidmetalslime's avatar, that cutie pie's usually drawn as a Conan the Barbarian rugged beefman. I don't think Erdrick's likely to be itty bitty, but there's some wiggle room, and "canon" appearance isn't too important.

 

[kirby3021]

hmm...
You know from watching videos it looks like it does kinda fit, maybe someone who has played the game can confirm but he sure looks like a floaty, slidy, zoner fighter.

I would definitely say he is floaty and I think slidy fits the bill too, and a lot of the psychs he uses involve a ranged aspect. He has a very diverse moveset to choose from in TWEWY, but I always pictured him as more of a zoner than a brawler or swordfighter. If they announce a second TWEWY on the upcoming direct (whenever that happens), that might shoot up his chances drastically.

 

[StormC]

StormC Megaman's not chibi though unless you're referring to something else.

I'd say he's pretty "chibi" in the sense that he is superdeformed. His design is based on his NES sprite, not his concept art. Erdrick might be based on his NES concept art but still conveys that superdeformed look.

 

[Deleted member]

I think the other one was edited.

Mine was from E3 actually (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L93H7YC-83o 11:04 mark if you want to check), sizes during combat vary a lot due to the characters performing different actions. In particular your picture seems to be them performing taunts while in mine they are just in regular poses for battle.

 

[Calane]

Well it's not like they are gonna design the model huge/tiny and then size it up or down, they probably know roughly what size they're aiming for and put that in.

Even if they didn't it doesn't mean we know nothing, if one character has stat x,y,z and I know stat x and z for another character we can make some rough comparisons even without the rest of the data.

The point is that nothing is indicating the character is small. If "Brave" is indeed Erdrick, he could very well be using his taller design and is just being sized in a way that looks right next to the rest of the cast. Like ryumo suggested, I'm sure artstyle and such has a lot to do with how characters are sized.

Edit: Also, I'm pretty sure animations and whatnot might effect how a character is sized as well.

 

[StormC]

I feel like non-DQ fans will be a lot more endeared to the character if he's superdeformed, but it doesn't seem like there's any reason to believe he will be.

Shame.

 

[shocktarts17]

Mine was from E3 actually (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L93H7YC-83o 11:04 mark if you want to check), sizes during combat vary a lot due to the characters performing different actions. In particular your picture seems to be them performing taunts while in mine they are just in regular poses for battle.

I guess, hard to argue with the video I just don't remember them all being basically the same size.

The point is that nothing is indicating the character is small. If "Brave" is indeed Erdrick, he could very well be using his taller design and is just being sized in a way that looks right next to the rest of the cast. Like ryumo suggested, I'm sure artstyle and such has a lot to do with how characters are sized.

I mean sure it very well could end up that way, but even if the height is different they are still saying the rest of the data doesn't really fit a sword fighter either.

I mean I'm not saying it can't be Erdrick, as far as I know he's still a likely option, I just think that the data is pointing in a different direction than some of the leakers and its worth considering the possibility that its not going to be Erdrick.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I'm pretty confused here. What's making people believe that "Brave" is Ness-sized?

According to the data, Brave's height is about "14" which puts it with the characters I posted earlier. I have seen what Mizumi said about height but I don't think it will change significantly and, like I said in my post about this, I think he was referring to how things like hair and hats don't necessarily count, like with Isabelle's bun thingy.

 

[Deleted member]

I guess, hard to argue with the video I just don't remember them all being basically the same size.

They look that they have pretty similar size during the combat due to varying grades of crouching. If we go by the sizes that U Untouch gave us before, Ridley and Samus have the same size which is a comparison that doesn't make a lot of sense as Ridley is slightly taller than Samus and is even taller when standing.

Also the problem with analyzing the frames and data is that it still doesn't give us anything regarding the character, since the character could be a new implementation of an archetype and they could be experimenting a lot.

 

[shocktarts17]

They look that they have pretty similar size during the combat due to varying grades of crouching. If we go by the sizes that U Untouch gave us before, Ridley and Samus are the same size a comparison that doesn't make sense as Ridley is slightly taller than Samus and is even taller when standing.

Also the problem with analyzing the frames and data is that it still doesn't give us anything regarding the character, since the character could be a new implementation of an archetype and they could be experimenting a lot.

Like I said earlier, I don't think any of this means it can't be Erdrick just that it's worth considering that it might fit some other options a little better.

 

[Calane]

According to the data, Brave's height is about "14" which puts it with the characters I posted earlier. I have seen what Mizumi said about height but I don't think it will change significantly and, like I said in my post about this, I think he was referring to how things like hair and hats don't necessarily count, like with Isabelle's bun thingy.

The height/size stuff only changes how big or small a character's model is. It just sizes a model up or down. If that's indeed the case, then it tells us nothing about how tall or short the model actually is.

That's exactly how Mizumi's post reads, so forgive me if I'm misunderstanding something.

 

[Sigran101]

Didn’t know there was a protocol to tell somebody they made a mistake.

When you're telling people that someone's posts are false, you should clarify if they acknowledged that if they did. Otherwise it sounds like an accusation. Just to avoid confusion.

 

[Deleted member]

When you're telling people that someone's posts are false, you should clarify if they acknowledged that if they did. Otherwise it sounds like an accusation. Just to avoid confusion.

I think you're looking too much into it, the post wasn't accusing anyone of anything just that the info was mistaken.

Like I said earlier, I don't think any of this means it can't be Erdrick just that it's worth considering that it might fit some other options a little better.

Seeing which character fits better seems a rather pointless task at the moment, considering the possible liberties and approaches to characters but whatever.

 

[Untouch]

I don't think "height" relates to the model since there's another value that scales it, which is what I think Mizumi was talking about.
Bowser's "height" is 33% larger than Ridley's.