[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[Nazyrus]

Just to be aware, Brave is also the name of a combat style from a Monster Hunter game
https://gematsu.com/2016/11/monster...nsive-continuous-attack-focused-hunting-style

At this point there will be a "brave" thing from every franchise you guys know, lol. Let's not…

 

[Deleted member]

The leakers seem more silent than usual. hmm

Well, datamine seems to have been a bit serious. Polar tried to quiet it down after all.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

Just to be aware, Brave is also the name of a combat style from a Monster Hunter game
https://gematsu.com/2016/11/monster...nsive-continuous-attack-focused-hunting-style

Brave can literally be anyone from any RPG series, at this point. I say that basically narrows it down on who it could be. I know we think it's Erdrick, but really this could be anyone, if we're talking from an RPG standpoint, especially if we're looking at the stats that came from Twitter. So, does everyone agrees that this character is more than likely from a character from an RPG series?

 

[Minik]

Even without leakers saying so though, the fact the DQ hero can actually directly be called brave puts them above the rest which are just fairly vague guesses for a codename.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Even without leakers saying so though, the fact the DQ hero can actually directly be called brave puts them above the rest which are just fairly vague guesses for a codename.

I mean, one could argue that "it's too obvious to have a character with a profile name that translated to Japanese literally means Brave".

But... I doubt the general public was going to translate it. It's just because we were told so from the beginning that it looks that obvious.
But I do think it was meant to be a vague nickname.

Or you know... There's a chance we're wrong.

 

[MattX20]

Even without leakers saying so though, the fact the DQ hero can actually directly be called brave puts them above the rest which are just fairly vague guesses for a codename.

We can't really say that is the case though, the codename may be a deliberate misdirect to anyone outside of the DLC development team as the term brave is very vague and there are a lot of JRPG series that use brave beyond DQ.

 

[PsySmasher]

We can't really say that is the case though, the codename may be a deliberate misdirect to anyone outside of the DLC development team as the term brave is very vague and there are a lot of JRPG series that use brave beyond DQ.

As a fellow skeptic, I definitely see why you’re not 100% on Erdrick (I’m only like 45% confident in him).

But I can’t see them intentionally using a misleading name for ONLY the “Brave” character, since Piranha Plant and Joker have codenames that clearly reference them.

-Packu literally means flower
-Jack can reference a lot of different Atlus related things, most notably their de facto mascot Jack Frost

 

[MattX20]

As a fellow skeptic, I definitely see why you’re not 100% on Erdrick (I’m only like 45% confident in him).

But I can’t see them intentionally using a misleading name for ONLY the “Brave” character, since Piranha Plant and Joker have codenames that clearly reference them.

-Packu literally means flower
-Jack can reference a lot of different Atlus related things, most notably their de facto mascot Jack Frost

True, but once again, we must remember that Square Enix has lied/misdirected people before, and given how difficult they were to work with, it sounds so damn unlikely to me they would get the DQ rights, hence the fact that the Tales series and Monster Hunter as recently brought up both have the term brave in their lexicons. Until we see undeniable gameplay footage, we cannot say with absolute certainty that it is a DQ character. Nintendo of Japan may have influenced the DLC, but I seriously doubt they wouldn't recognize that Dragon Quest has done quite poorly outside of Japan.

 

[Deleted member]

True, but once again, we must remember that Square Enix has lied/misdirected people before, and given how difficult they were to work with, it sounds so damn unlikely to me they would get the DQ rights, hence the fact that the Tales series and Monster Hunter as recently brought up both have the term brave in their lexicons. Until we see undeniable gameplay footage, we cannot say with absolute certainty that it is a DQ character. Nintendo of Japan may have influenced the DLC, but I seriously doubt they wouldn't recognize that Dragon Quest has done quite poorly outside of Japan.

This isnt Square Enix making the codenames though. And a good amount of the legal stuff wouldn't even be with SE but with just a few people; Yuji Horii, Akira Toriyama, and Koichi Sugiyama.

 

[Captain Fun]

-Jack can reference a lot of different Atlus related things, most notably their de facto mascot Jack Frost

Jack is also a playing card like Joker. There are a couple of ways to look at it so it makes sense as a codename.

We can't say for sure if Brave refers to any kind of DQ character but that is what some rumors seem to point to. I don't know if insiders have anything more concrete than the datamine but the DQ rumors have been around since before that. I'm not getting my hopes up, but we'll see.

 

[Deleted member]

>"Brave can describe to any RPG protagonist"
>Ignoring it's being used as a noun and not an adjective

Don't act like we didn't try to warn ya'll when Erdrick is confirmed

 

[MattX20]

>"Brave can describe to any RPG protagonist"
>Ignoring it's being used as a noun and not an adjective
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Don't act like we didn't try to warn ya'll when Erdrick is confirmed

Again, brave is not limited to just Dragon Quest. Brave Vesperia from the Tales series and Monster Hunter, both of which use it for titles/nouns.

 

[perfectchaos83]

SE giving legit or false info aside...

Out of curiosity, from the tales series, which characters could be potentially used as Yuri alts? I am not completely familiar with Tales aside a few games but most protagonists use different styles and weapons. Only one I could think of is Luke, and I would think that a Tales rep would need to have a lot of alts considering the amount of games and lack of continuity besides a few of them.

I guess Luke can kind of work for Yuri, but Tales protagonists wouldn't really be easily tossed into an "alt" skin. Yuri's no different as he throws in a lot of martial arts into his attacks too which isn't something Luke particularly does. It doesn't help that Yuri is a faster and more showboaty swordsman than Luke is.

 

[MattX20]

This isnt Square Enix making the codenames though. And a good amount of the legal stuff wouldn't even be with SE but with just a few people; Yuji Horii, Akira Toriyama, and Koichi Sugiyama.

My point being is that given the legal shenanigans, it makes no sense from a worthwhile business perspective for Nintendo of Japan who influenced the DLC choices. Given that there was no noteworthy fan demand pre and post Smash ballot for any DQ characters, even in Japan, it seems like a colossal waste of money for them. Just because it's iconic in just one country doesn't mean it will translate to sales outside of it. That, and Geno, Sora, and even Goku fans would be pretty pissed off that it's a character they didn't ask for. It's not like Joker who did actually have Western presence/demand.

 

[Deleted member]

My point being is that given the legal shenanigans, it makes no sense from a worthwhile business perspective for Nintendo of Japan who influenced the DLC choices. Given that there was no noteworthy fan demand pre and post Smash ballot for any DQ characters, even in Japan, it seems like a colossal waste of money for them. Just because it's iconic in just one country doesn't mean it will translate to sales outside of it. That, and Geno, Sora, and even Goku fans would be pretty pissed off that it's a character they didn't ask for. It's not like Joker who did actually have Western presence/demand.

A lack of fan demand doesn't mean it's a bad choice. Nothing will change the fact that Dragon Quest is a massively popular franchise in its home country. Hell, most of the executives who worked on it are probably fans of the series. Even Sakurai himself is a fan.
And, for the majority of players (casuals), they aren't nearly as heavily invested in character choice as the core Smash community. It just takes "hey this guy looks cool" for a lot of people to get them, whereas with the Fighter Pass they already have the sale they needed from a portion of the community anyways.

 

[MattX20]

A lack of fan demand doesn't mean it's a bad choice. Nothing will change the fact that Dragon Quest is a massively popular franchise in its home country. Hell, most of the executives who worked on it are probably fans of the series. Even Sakurai himself is a fan.
And, for the majority of players (casuals), they aren't nearly as heavily invested in character choice as the core Smash community. It just takes "hey this guy looks cool" for a lot of people to get them, whereas with the Fighter Pass they already have the sale they needed from a portion of the community anyways.

It does matter though, because unlike Corrin who was Nintendo owned, any DQ character that does poorly would be a pretty massive loss of money. And Sakurai made it clear in interviews that Western fan demand is very much taken into account, which was part of the reason Cloud made the cut.

 

[shinhed-echi]

My point being is that given the legal shenanigans, it makes no sense from a worthwhile business perspective for Nintendo of Japan who influenced the DLC choices. Given that there was no noteworthy fan demand pre and post Smash ballot for any DQ characters, even in Japan, it seems like a colossal waste of money for them. Just because it's iconic in just one country doesn't mean it will translate to sales outside of it. That, and Geno, Sora, and even Goku fans would be pretty pissed off that it's a character they didn't ask for. It's not like Joker who did actually have Western presence/demand.

Now I know you're just grasping.

Look, I'm not even sure you know what legal shenanigans they have to go through.
But I do know this.
If Square Enix and Nintendo could negociate 2 crossovers between Super Mario Bros. and Dragon Quest, I'm pretty sure 1 character, 1 stage, and a handful of midi music won't be the gigantic hassle people make it out to be.

P.s. there's been quite a few DQ Crossing over with Nintendo.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Given Vergeben's list and the rumors from PolarPanda, I find it hard to believe Brave isn't Erdrick, or all/8 of the DQ Heroes put together at least.

 

[Luigi The President]

>"Brave can describe to any RPG protagonist"
>Ignoring it's being used as a noun and not an adjective
View attachment 186010
Don't act like we didn't try to warn ya'll when Erdrick is confirmed

It's very fun watching people try and make up various longwinded tales on why it May Not Be Erdrick, Actually

 

[Deleted member]

I guess Luke can kind of work for Yuri, but Tales protagonists wouldn't really be easily tossed into an "alt" skin. Yuri's no different as he throws in a lot of martial arts into his attacks too which isn't something Luke particularly does. It doesn't help that Yuri is a faster and more showboaty swordsman than Luke is.

Thanks for the answer, hadn't played Tales games in a while. So I think we should be expecting a lone rep from Tales most likely if we get one.

My point being is that given the legal shenanigans, it makes no sense from a worthwhile business perspective for Nintendo of Japan who influenced the DLC choices. Given that there was no noteworthy fan demand pre and post Smash ballot for any DQ characters, even in Japan, it seems like a colossal waste of money for them. Just because it's iconic in just one country doesn't mean it will translate to sales outside of it. That, and Geno, Sora, and even Goku fans would be pretty pissed off that it's a character they didn't ask for. It's not like Joker who did actually have Western presence/demand.

Funny thing, there was zero demand for Joker on the ballot and he was well received. Also most of the legal issues with DQ are solved as long as SE and Horii are on board, and Horii likes Nintendo a lot.

DQ is not an unknown entity in the west either. While 5% of their sales are from the west, given the size of the franchise its bigger than almost every other RPG.

 

[MattX20]

Now I know you're just grasping.

Look, I'm not even sure you know what legal shenanigans they have to go through.
But I do know this.
If Square Enix and Nintendo could negociate 2 crossovers between Super Mario Bros. and Dragon Quest, I'm pretty sure 1 character, 1 stage, and a handful of midi music won't be the gigantic hassle people make it out to be.

P.s. there's been quite a few DQ Crossing over with Nintendo.

What I've learned through all this is that Square Enix, and especially the other 4 proxies are notoriously stingy to work with. And it's gotten to the point many Smash fans are terrified of any DQ content making into Smash Ultimate because of how it could affect the competitive scene.

 

[TheCJBrine]

What I've learned through all this is that Square Enix, and especially the other 4 proxies are notoriously stingy to work with. And it's gotten to the point many Smash fans are terrified of any DQ content making into Smash Ultimate because of how it could affect the competitive scene.

The DQ guys aren't even responsible for the competitive stuff that got shut down, nor SE. That was Dragonball stuff and that one Smash tourney was unrelated to DQ or anything like that (though I forgot what it was exactly, I think it was the hosts or some company unrelated to SE).

 

[MattX20]

The DQ guys aren't even responsible for the competitive stuff that got shut down, nor SE.

I know that, but that still doesn't stop the rampant paranoia caused by what happened to Dragonball FighterZ.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I know that, but that still doesn't stop the rampant paranoia caused by what happened to Dragonball FighterZ.

Why would Nintendo care about paranoia based on lack of research?

 

[PsySmasher]

It's very fun watching people try and make up various longwinded tales on why it May Not Be Erdrick, Actually

I mean, I’m not 100% sold on any DQ Rep.

But yeah, it feels like some people are going way too deep in trying to disprove Erdrick.

And while I can’t, in any way, deconfirm him, I do have my reasons as to why I’m not as confident as some of you guys are.

But I’ll save that for another post if any of you are interested in that.

 

[Untouch]

Lying about what happened to DBZF and who owns the rights to DBZ won't change who is getting in the game as DLC.

 

[MattX20]

Why would Nintendo care about paranoia based on lack of research?

Not Nintendo, the customer base that enjoys the competitive scene. I've seen quite a few players that enjoy it terrified of anything Toriyama-related making it to Smash Bros on the possibility of having the tournaments shut down like what happened with Shuesha and having all tournaments for FighterZ going forward only allowed under their sponsorship.

 

[Deleted member]

I know that, but that still doesn't stop the rampant paranoia caused by what happened to Dragonball FighterZ.

But the fact is they have nothing to do with it. "Paranoia" doesn't mean anything if there's nothing behind it.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Not Nintendo, the customer base that enjoys the competitive scene. I've seen quite a few players that enjoy it terrified of anything Toriyama-related making it to Smash Bros on the possibility of having the tournaments shut down like what happened with Shuesha.

Once DQ hits and nothing happens to the competitive scene, nobody will care. It wasn't Toriyama's fault. Nintendo isn't going to throw their negotiations out the window based on paranoia over a recent event, anyway, and they'd still make money from the majority if they hadn't negotiated whom they planned for yet.

 

[Untouch]

before:

Dragon Quest is impossible to get the rights for, it'll take too much time, therefore it can't be Erdrick!

after:

Oh no, okay Nintendo did get the rights for Dragon Quest but hyperbole based on quite literally nothing means they have to throw it away.

Getting annoyed with this honestly.
Toryiama does NOT own the rights to DBZ, that's Toei. He cannot shut down tournaments, he is not the copyright holder and cannot send C&D letters.

 

[MattX20]

before:


after:


Getting annoyed with this honestly.
Toryiama does NOT own the rights to DBZ, that's Toei. He cannot shut down tournaments, he is not the copyright holder and cannot send C&D letters.

I know Toriyama isn't the rights holder, currently that's Toei and Shueisha, the latter of which was responsible for what happened to FighterZ. The issue of paranoia over this whole thing, should Erdrick turn out to be one of the five, is not going away anytime soon, and it's tiring.

 

[Deleted member]

It's very fun watching people try and make up various longwinded tales on why it May Not Be Erdrick, Actually

It's giving me horrible flashbacks to prerelease and I just want it to end.

 

[Deleted member]

I know Toriyama isn't the rights holder, currently that's Toei and Shueisha, the latter of which was responsible for what happened to FighterZ. The issue of paranoia over this whole thing, should Erdrick turn out to be one of the five, is not going away anytime soon, and it's tiring.

But why does that even matter if literally nothing is going to happen??? I do not understand what point you're trying to make. That it's going to be an issue even though it's actually not but the *idea* if it being an issue is an issue in of itself?

 

[-Coco-]

What I find funny is this revisionist history that Joker was somehow a popular ballot character yet wasn't on any poll I've seen. But people use it as a point against Erdrick.

 

[Robertman2]

What I find funny is this revisionist history that Joker was somehow a popular ballot character yet wasn't on any poll I've seen. But people use it as a point against Erdrick.

JOKER WASN'T EVEN A THING DURING THE BALLOT WTF

 

[TheCJBrine]

Spoiler: Brave isn't Erdrick, it's this joker:

You gotta be brave to fight him.

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler: Brave isn't Erdrick, it's this joker:

View attachment 186019

You gotta be brave to fight him.

Just imagine the CHAOS if he gets revealed.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

What I find funny is this revisionist history that Joker was somehow a popular ballot character yet wasn't on any poll I've seen. But people use it as a point against Erdrick.

What are you talking about, you must not be paying attention!

Joker wasn’t even around during the ballot, Joker is character that didn’t even exist during the ballot! If anything, he’s a character that’s been asked for recently but people didn’t think he stood a chance, like Cloud!

 

[-Coco-]

JOKER WASN'T EVEN A THING DURING THE BALLOT WTF

What are you talking about, you must not be paying attention!

Joker wasn’t even around during the ballot, Joker is character that didn’t even exist during the ballot! If anything, he’s a character that’s been asked for recently but people didn’t think he stood a chance, like Cloud!

Sorry I misspoke. I don't mean Joker was around during the ballot, what I mean is that any smash poll I've seen after the fact has no presence of Joker or even Persona. As in I've never seen a Smash fanbase for Joker at all.

It's very fun watching people try and make up various longwinded tales on why it May Not Be Erdrick, Actually

I'm not 100 % convinced it's him. At the very least it could be a BD character or Yuri. I'm skeptical and don't wanna get btfo.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

There was a fanbase for Persona/Shin Megami Tensei in Smash.

Just as there was one and is one for Dragon Quest.

There was even a small one for Joker.

And that's not revisionist history.