[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[Luigi The President]

tf is a mungis

The boyz

....
...wait how tf is Sora a Disney rep if Squenix put him on the list of reps they're sending out for their own company hello

 

[Deleted member]

Imagine thinking Disney didn’t secretly buy out square decades ago but prevented the truth from coming out.

 

[Starblax]

The boyz

....
...wait how tf is Sora a Disney rep if Squenix put him on the list of reps they're sending out for their own company hello

Here's the skippy:

Disney owns Sora. Square publishes and develops KH. Disney usually asks Square for permission, and the other way around. Both would be a part of the negotiations.

It's weird, I know. Nintendo's worked very well with Disney before, and earlier this year they partnered for a competition or something to give away a Switch. If you want the article I can post it here, but the Universal park thing isn't necessarily in the way of their relationship. Also Square sucks but now they suck less so lol.

Either way, he's the only character to be not get completely screwed over by Erdrick, still somewhat screwed, but not entirely.

 

[Luigi The President]

Here's the skippy:

Disney owns Sora. Square publishes and develops KH. Disney usually asks Square for permission, and the other way around. Both would be a part of the negotiations.

It's weird, I know. Nintendo's worked very well with Disney before, and earlier this year they partnered for a competition or something to give away a Switch. If you want the article I can post it here, but the Universal park thing isn't necessarily in the way of their relationship. Also Square sucks but now they suck less so lol.

Either way, he's the only character to be not get completely screwed over by Erdrick, still somewhat screwed, but not entirely.

....but Sora's on the SE rep list...meaning they consider him one of their own.
I feel this should counter each claim there.

He's big screwed. The rest would be x1000 giga screwed. That's the most I can give you.

 

[Deleted member]

The way Disney’s deal with Square works means that if Sora was in, disney would likely just give they go-ahead while Sakurai works with square on development with Disney sometimes checking. So if sora’s on the list but it’s Erdrick instead, he’s still right-snoggered.

 

[Minik]

You know I really didn't want to say it but like all the listed characters could easilly work as mii sword fighters, barring geno and slime, geno already having a mii costume in the past.

 

[Starblax]

The way Disney’s deal with Square works means that if Sora was in, disney would likely just give they go-ahead while Sakurai works with square on development with Disney sometimes checking. So if sora’s on the list but it’s Erdrick instead, he’s still right-snoggered.

Maybe that's fair, but I'm still not giving up on him just yet.

 

[Nemuresu]

You know I really didn't want to say it but like all the listed characters could easilly work as mii sword fighters, barring geno and slime, geno already having a mii costume in the past.

I don't see any available sword that is as big as Sephiroth's Masamune...

 

[perfectchaos83]

If Sora's in Smash, SE would know. Whether they handle his representation or not is a different story.

 

[Ovaltine]

Honestly, Erdrick would screw over everyone on the list. If anything — and not saying this out of bias — Geno would probably be the least screwed with Crono second behind him. Crono would just require re-negotiating with everyone involved in Erdrick, for the most part, and Geno would only require Shimomura-san and Square. Crono still requires more wrangling with other companies and persons involved, though, hence him being second to Geno. Sora would require Disney (whose difficulty in negotiating with is very debatable), Sephiroth would need Uematsu-san's music (and he's unfortunately on leave due to his health, poor guy), and a second DQ rep would probably be out of the question.

Even then, at least for this Fighter's Pass, I doubt Square would have a double dip. It would definitely bolster Geno's and Crono's chances if we get more DLC, but that's a huge if that shouldn't even be thought of as happening right now, as it's pure speculation and community hope. It's all very hypothetical.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, Erdrick would screw over everyone on the list. If anything — and not saying this out of bias — Geno would probably be the least screwed with Crono second behind him. Crono would just require re-negotiating with everyone involved in Erdrick, for the most part, and Geno would only require Shimomura-san and Square. Crono still requires more wrangling with other companies and persons involved, though, hence him being second to Geno. Sora would require Disney (whose difficulty in negotiating with is very debatable), Sephiroth would need Uematsu-san's music (and he's unfortunately on leave due to his health, poor guy), and a second DQ rep would probably be out of the question.

Even then, at least for this Fighter's Pass, I doubt Square would have a double dip. It would definitely bolster Geno's and Crono's chances if we get more DLC, but that's a huge if that shouldn't even be thought of as happening right now, as it's pure speculation and community hope. It's all very hypothetical.

In the Geno thread I've seen some speculation that Nintendo may have just straight up bought all of SMRPG's assets from Square. If that is the case then I could see both a DQ rep and Geno getting in together, but I wouldn't count on it either.

 

[Luigi The President]

In the Geno thread I've seen some speculation that Nintendo may have just straight up bought all of SMRPG's assets from Square. If that is the case then I could see both a DQ rep and Geno getting in together, but I wouldn't count on it either.

What kinda nonsense speculation is this

 

[perfectchaos83]

In the Geno thread I've seen some speculation that Nintendo may have just straight up bought all of SMRPG's assets from Square. If that is the case then I could see both a DQ rep and Geno getting in together, but I wouldn't count on it either.

Is there any real reason to think this is the case outside of blind hopeful speculation?

 

[Ovaltine]

In the Geno thread I've seen some speculation that Nintendo may have just straight up bought all of SMRPG's assets from Square. If that is the case then I could see both a DQ rep and Geno getting in together, but I wouldn't count on it either.

To be perfectly honest, as much as that would be a dream come true, I just don't see that happening. The speculation on that front isn't founded on solid evidence at all, I'm afraid. I'm positive Square still has Geno on a chain.

free him

 

[RandomAce]

....but Sora's on the SE rep list...meaning they consider him one of their own.
I feel this should counter each claim there.

SE can say whatever name they want behind doors and pass it off for leaks, the thing with Sora is that they most likely know that people often refer to Sora as SE when Sora is owned by Disney.

Disney could make negotiations with Nintendo without even saying a single word to SE if they wanted to, but they don’t and instead usually works with SE when it comes to KH and Sora, most likely just giving the go ahead.

Though to be honest, I could see Sora happening in a sort of “Season 2”, he would be another hype bringer that is popular in the Smash fanbase that SE and Disney would most likely be willing to pull together.

 

[Deleted member]

To be perfectly honest, as much as that would be a dream come true, I just don't see that happening. The speculation on that front isn't founded on solid evidence at all, I'm afraid. I'm positive Square still has Geno on a chain.

free him

I figured the same thing honestly. I only skimmed through it so I wasn't sure exactly what it was all based on but I thought it was still worth mentioning.

 

[REZERO]

Durability mechanic isn't really

You know I really didn't want to say it but like all the listed characters could easilly work as mii sword fighters, barring geno and slime, geno already having a mii costume in the past.

I mean if you're looking for a generic moveset and a derpface, yes mii costumes are a great option.

 

[Robertman2]

Is there any real reason to think this is the case outside of blind hopeful speculation?

No

 

[Starblax]

SE can say whatever name they want behind doors and pass it off for leaks, the thing with Sora is that they most likely know that people often refer to Sora as SE when Sora is owned by Disney.

Disney could make negotiations with Nintendo without even saying a single word to SE if they wanted to, but they don’t and instead usually works with SE when it comes to KH and Sora, most likely just giving the go ahead.

Though to be honest, I could see Sora happening in a sort of “Season 2”, he would be another hype bringer that is popular in the Smash fanbase that SE and Disney would most likely be willing to pull together.

Dang a season 2 didn't even cross my mind for Sora. Yeah honestly a Season 2 bodes well for him better than probably most characters I think.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd be more interested as to why you didn't like it.

I personally liked it because it was the climax of the story up to that point, and it's right when everything goes to hell. Pancake man is around for that dungeon, and he's a fun character to mess around with, but also the music was fantastic, and generally I liked the chip mechanic and how it was able to create more intuitive puzzles not seen in P5, and especially moreso than the stupid *** spaceport.

Mother ****ing Whims of Fate

It's also aesthetically interesting.

Casino was fine aesthetic-wise and music was good(Persona hardly disappoints in this regard), but still I liked the Castle and the Museum pacing a lot more. I felt that it ended up a bit on the short side despite being one of the later dungeons, and how the spaceport dragged a lot(it doesn't help that I felt that the story was dragging for a bit before the casino) and it feels even shorter because its divided in half by a story event. I didn't liked a few of the gimmicks like the blackout corridor and some parts like the coliseum felt fillerish, but I say that Akechi and some of the other gimmicks were fun. I dont consider a bad dungeon, Its probably just after the Castle and Museum for me, but it left me wanting for more.

 

[Starblax]

Casino was fine aestheticwise and music was good(Persona hardly disappoints in this regard), but still I liked the Castle and the Museum pacing a lot more. I felt that it ended up a bit on the short side despite being one of the later dungeons, and how the spaceport dragged a lot(it doesn't help that I felt that the story was dragging for a bit before the casino) and it feels even shorter because its divided in half by a story event. I didn't liked a few of the gimmicks like the blackout corridor and some parts like the coliseum felt fillerish, but I say that Akechi and some of the other gimmicks were fun. I dont consider a bad dungeon, Its probably just after the Castle and Museum for me, but it left me wanting for more.

That's fair.

Then again I have no right to talk about the dungeons because the damn boat's my favorite one lol

 

[Deleted member]

I’ve been thinking about this for a bit while I’m ****ting, and I think the reason Geno hasn’t gotten in despite Sakurai’s approval of him is because he’s almost looking for an excuse to add him. PolarPanda (correct me if I’m wrong) said a while ago that the reason Isaac wasn’t added is because Sakurai still wants characters from living series in the game unless they’re a part of nintendo’s history/retro, and I think a similar train of thought applies to characters within series, such as Geno. When you look at k. Rool, another fairl fairly irrelevant character, he still held very prominent significance within the DK series, being the main antagonist for most of it. Same with Ridley. I think this is ultimately what’s holding Geno back, his lack of significance. Even within his own game, he was only a side character among others, although he was certainly fairly important, he ultimately is just too insignificant within a wider scope I think. This would explain why Geno also hasn’t been made an assist, I think Sakurai is trying to leave the door open for a geno to be playable, just in case anything happens to make him prominent again. Hence ‘looking for an excuse’ cause I can’t think of a better way to phrase it.

But I’m going in way too deep, those are just my unfounded ramblings.

 

[Robertman2]

Casino Palace best Palace because Shadow Sae is hot. Would gladly betray Thieves in order to smash her

 

[Deleted member]

I think the Geno thing is how you interpret it:
-Either Sakurai wants to add him but cannot yet due to other commitments and responsibilities he has with other series that he also wants/needs to push
-He couldn't found a way to implementing him before the Mii Gunner was developed and a costume is the most he is willing to do for Geno

 

[perfectchaos83]

I'll say this on Geno, I've always felt that if he were to ever be included, he'd be SE's 3rd Rep. So, If SE gets both of their flagship titles then I do think the door is open for Geno.

 

[-Coco-]

I'd like to note that the Erdrick comment was first meaning if it was 2 anons then the "credible" leaker imitated Erdrick's leak format and not the other way around.

first.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

As far as Geno is concerned, it also doesn't help that he's owned by another company, even if he is considered as a Nintendo character by most fans. He's still owned by Square. Geno is basically a third party character no matter how you try and spin it, and when you look at the current line up of third party characters they all hold some kind of significance towards the company they represent, holds gaming history behind them, or just comes from important, popular, and relevant games.

All of the other third party characters have something to at least fall back on even after getting into Smash, where does that leave Geno, even if he did get in what would Square do for him after he got into Smash, even when it's all said in done? As some has said, I do think that's the reason as to why he hasn't made it in.

 

[Luigi The President]

As far as Geno is concerned, it also doesn't help that he's owned by another company, even if he is considered as a Nintendo character by most fans. He's still owned by another company. Geno is basically a third party character no matter how you try and spin it, and when you look at the current line up of third party characters they all hold some kind of significance towards the company they represent, holds gaming history behind them, or just comes from important, popular, and relevant games.

All of the other third party characters have something to at least fall back on even after getting into Smash, where does that leave Geno, even if he did get in what would Square do for him after he got into Smash, even when it's all said in done? As some has said, I do think that's the reason as to why he hasn't made it in.

Port SMRPG to the Switch. Remaster it. Even collab on making a sequel (the game isn't some underrated little-selling cult classic like people tend to believe; thing sold ****ing BIG and is still on numerous best games ever made list).

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Oh not this **** again

I SUMMON THE POWER
OF THE MYSTIC
MUNGIS
DaybreakHorizon Nekoo

To be fair, Sora is a Disney character. As outlined in HMK's talk with Disney of Japan Executive Justin Scarpone, Nintendo would have to approach Disney, which could make negotiations for Sora a separate matter. Sure, Normura's approval is needed, but theoretically Sora could be added with minimal involvement from Square Enix, if any. At best Square Enix has a place at the negotiation table, but it's they're like Canada next to Nintendo's America in negotiations.

It's another nuance of Sora's rights, and we don't know if it'll be true until it either does or doesn't happen.

 

[Luigi The President]

To be fair, Sora is a Disney character. As outlined in HMK's talk with Disney of Japan Executive Justin Scarpone, Nintendo would have to approach Disney, which could make negotiations for Sora a separate matter. Sure, Normura's approval is needed, but theoretically Sora could be added with minimal involvement from Square Enix, if any. At best Square Enix has a place at the negotiation table, but it's they're like Canada next to Nintendo's America in negotiations.

It's another nuance of Sora's rights, and we don't know if it'll be true until it either does or doesn't happen.

w

what

i

i've been living my life a lie

w
why did y'all
why did y'all tell me he was a squenix

oh god
now i look like a clown

Starblax sorry mayne...

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

w

what

i

i've been living my life a lie

w
why did y'all
why did y'all tell me he was a squenix

oh god
now i look like a clown

Starblax sorry mayne...

Sora on the Square Enix list makes sense because he's incredibly popular. He's to the PS2 what Cloud is to the PS1, so it'd make sense that Square Enix would put him on the list even if they don't own the rights to use him.

 

[Luigi The President]

Sora on the Square Enix list makes sense because he's incredibly popular. He's to the PS2 what Cloud is to the PS1, so it'd make sense that Square Enix would put him on the list even if they don't own the rights to use him.

b-but i thought
i thought you and nekoo said
said he was a squenix
i-i need a moment

 

[perfectchaos83]

b-but i thought
i thought you and nekoo said
said he was a squenix
i-i need a moment

For all intents and purposes, he'd be treated as an SE rep by pretty much anyone not in the know.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

b-but i thought
i thought you and nekoo said
said he was a squenix
i-i need a moment

We did, because he is. Just technically.

Think of it like a joint custody case. Disney and Square Enix are Kingdom Heart's parents. Disney has custody of Kingdom Hearts, but because the two have a good relationship, Disney checks with Square Enix before they do anything major with the child. Both parents are present for the most part, it's just that Disney is THE parent.

I outlined most of this in my Square Enix character argument if you want to look over it again.

 

[Nekoo]

b-but i thought
i thought you and nekoo said
said he was a squenix
i-i need a moment

He's a Square-Enix face, and KH is listed under Square-Enix's biggest IP and Sellers.
There no doubt about that.
Sora is just copyrighted Disney because Disney weren't trusting Square back in 1999 when the begining of the idea was born. And could only let Mickey for ONE appearance of ONE minute for ONE scene and WITHOUT HIS FACE.

But now? Disney are like "Yo Square, Wanna make Sora suffers and Yell of despair btw, can u like, kill Mickey and everyone else? Tnx. Oh and here are our assest from our movies."

Disney, now have a complete blind trust on Nomura and Square-Enix.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

w

what

i

i've been living my life a lie

w
why did y'all
why did y'all tell me he was a squenix

oh god
now i look like a clown

Starblax sorry mayne...

Sora still makes sense to be here though, Square Enix still has control over what Sora does, Disney just there as a supervisor to make sure that everything is okay. So, yes Square has control over Kingdom Hearts, Disney just owns it; BUT they barely do anything with it. It's still more of a Square Enix IP than it really is Disney's.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Sora still makes sense to be here though, Square Enix still has control over what Sora does, Disney just there as a supervisor to make sure that everything is okay. So, yes Square has control over Kingdom Hearts, Disney just owns it; BUT they barely do anything with it. It's still more of a Square Enix IP than it really is Disney's.

False.

Disney is very in control of Kingdom Hearts. Everything Square Enix does has to be approved by Disney, and anything Kingdom Hearts is combed over by Disney legal. This why Sora isn't as likely as he should be, as Disney legal will likely be difficult to work with.

 

[Deleted member]

Sora is as much of a Square character as Bayonetta is a Platinum Games one.
In that they are, they're just not owned by the company they're associated with.
Same with Joker to an extent but Atlus just straight up owns him.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

False.

Disney is very in control of Kingdom Hearts. Everything Square Enix does has to be approved by Disney, and anything Kingdom Hearts is combed over by Disney legal. This why Sora isn't as likely as he should be, as Disney legal will likely be difficult to work with.

Okay, so maybe it's not that easy but it's also not that difficult as people make it out to be whenever this Sora/Disney conversation keeps coming up. Disney isn't that difficult. They are letting Nintendo revive, work on and letting it be a Switch exclusive game which is a popular Marvel game series (Marvel's Ultimate Alliance), and Marvel is owned by Disney, so the Nintendo/Disney working relationship is still there. People seem to ignore this for whatever reason!

The point is, the Disney/Nintendo relationship is still there, desptie what people may think. Sora is still very much a Square owned character and is treated like one, (if the HMK video is anything to go by).

 

[Idon]

Sora is still very much a Square owned character

But he literally isn't though.