Spider-Manfia: (Game Over! Roles Posted)

[Mediocre]

Personally, I feel that Handorin is probably the best lynch candidate we've got right now... but I don't think he's mafia. I'm not even sure he's independent.

So I'm not going to vote for him. Other people are asking him the questions I want answered, and there's still plenty of time before we have to lynch anyone. Handorin's high on my list, but there are other players who I think are being forgotten in this rush to judgment on Handorin.

Frankly, the players are most interested in are people I consider strong, or at least intelligent players, who seem to be content with coasting.

Marshy, for example, has made six posts since the game begin, and has said almost nothing that could give anyone the slightest hint of which side he's playing for.

In his first and second posts he just promises to post later.

His third post has some actual content, but he stays away from actually expressing any real suspicion of any player. The fourth post is the longest one he's made, but again he only discusses gameplay mechanics. Fifth post he comments on other players ideas, but doesn't really give much of an opinion on the players themselves. His sixth post is just responding to a misunderstanding, and saying he's suspicious of everyone.

His first two posts are worthless.

His third, fourth and fifth contain content, but it's almost entirely limited to discussion of gameplay mechanics. He never brings up any actual suspicion of any player.

His sixth post is worthless.

Essentially, he's made three posts, and all of them are entirely about game mechanics and not at all about any suspicions he has.

Marshy? You seem to be giving us lots of information on how to play the game, and a lot of it is true. However, you seem unwilling to make any accusations towards any player in the game, and I'm bothered by that.

Is there a reason you've been playing this way? Can you stop doing it?

Until you answer my questions satisfactorily...

Vote: Marshy

Hey EE: can we get a mod prod on Medi and Yaya?

I'm not sure about Yaya, but I last posted on Wednesday. Does taking a one day break from a mafia game really require a mod prod?



FAKE EDIT IN RESPONSE TO TOM'S POST: Almost everything I said in this post applies to Eor as well as Marshy, but I decided I'd like to go after Marshy before I targeted Eor, because Marshy's inactivity and lack of contribution was even worse than Eor's.

 

[Circus]

Why should a townie try any less hard to live than a mafia member? 1 less town is 1 step closer for a mafia win. While the town takes more steps toward a win, shouldn't you be trying to avoid a mafia win at all cost? (Sounds like something I have heard before...)

Twisting my words around does not refute the point I'm trying to make. I did not say that a townie should try less hard to live; I said that their own life should come second to the good of the town as a whole. Do you agree with that?

I know, you've told me before. I got it. Hopefully you will enjoy my next playstyle more. Also, check out redcell's post above yours. Maybe you will listen to him.

I see the benefits you're alluding to but do not see how they justify the risk. I suppose I could chock this up to a difference in point of view. Because from where I'm sitting, bread crumbing a role that you don't have in order to try and protect some other PR is just inviting trouble into your house.

Or you could have simply stated you understood and I could have answered.

I asked you the question twice and you blew me off because you just assumed I didn't understand you. Which actually implies that you knew your terminology was confusing to begin with and used it anyway, perhaps intending for people to trip over it. Or maybe you changed your mind about what you meant after the fact. Either way, it all reads poorly in my eyes.

All of that said, I'm seeing what others mean by not wanting to narrow our sights too much. I probably have become a little too focused on you and your vote count is starting to gain more momentum than I'd like.

Unvote

6. No Lynch is an acceptable route when you are completely unsure about the lynches that the day has ended up boiling down to. It really is a logical fallacy of false dilemma when you are forced to make a real (excluding hypotheticals for discussion) decision between killing person A and killing person B, because there are always others who are playing who are lynch candidates and you can always No Lynch. However, if the day has had a good amount of discussion and feeling that this Day 1 has had, I feel that a NL would be the wrong decision and we should work towards one we are comfortable with today.

....

10. The answers that I got for question ten REALLY irked me because I seriously asked which you would rather kill if forced to kill one of them, and even underlined HAD to kill, and Circus still said he would rather kill neither. To be quite frank, I don't believe he deserves the insight he could gain from my opinion if he is going to refuse to answer it himself when I made my question quite clear.

I'm having a whole lot of trouble understanding why my answer to question 10 "REALLY irked" you. Please explain to me why a No Lynch can be acceptable in a real world situation but not in a hypothetical in a discussion. Doesn't the fact that I chose No Lynch (along with the reasons I gave for doing so) still tell you something? It's not as if I dodged the question. I gave my honest answer, operating under real world conditions.

Also, in my defense, I didn't ask you the questions back; only Handorin did. So I wasn't initially expecting this insight that I am now being denied. And really, even if my answer irked you to such an extent, I don't see why you feel the rest of the town doesn't deserve your input if you have it to give. Whatever I do to annoy you shouldn't keep you from sharing your input with the rest of the town.

7. For clarification to Handorin and Circus who failed to answer this question, a one-shot ability does not mean a 1-shot vigilante ability or a single nightkill. There are one-shot cops who have only one investigation for the whole game, there are 1-shot investigators or 1-shot custom roles like in TMNT when Cao had a 1-shot mutagen vialgun that allowed him to depower one player....

Okay. Well, I don't know how much it matters to you now, but in this case I would still advocate waiting. Using a 1-shot investigative or special ability before you at least have a solid hunch on someone just because you want to make sure it doesn't go to waste could very well result in a waste anyway. Although I do see more of a reason to use a 1-shot cop ability before you die because there is something to be said for finding an innocent on someone (unless there's such a thing as naive 1-shot cops?).

Vote:Yaya

Yaya, you are very, very quiet. And if I've learned any solid lesson from the mafia experiences I've had, it is that quiet players are ****ing scary. Surely by now you have an opinion on something other than a mafia executioner and posting restrictions. Have you reacted negatively to Eor's D1 posts the way Tom has? If not, did Tom's assessment of Eor sway you? What are your general feelings on Handorin and the way he's been playing?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

rockin i think telling nick "hando has been more helpful because he didn't fake a daykill" is silly. fake daykilling draws attention from everyone. this is his first game. you're telling me that he'd want to do that in his first game as mafia? not to say that clears him but i think your vote was weird. i don't think that negates all of the other useful posts he's made.

What if someone thought you had a Vig pr? What if for some gay reason that KevinM actually died right there, how would you explain yourself? 'Oh, it wasn't me! I don't have a vig power role.' What's your proof? And so what if you just gave them a false pr. Mafia would just check that off the list and may figure out the possible power role you got.

you really expect someone to care about all of this when it comes to faking? hesitating to fake a daykill for "some gay reason" confuses me. if someone wants to fish for reactions from a fake daykill they're not going to worry about it succeeding when their role says it won't and there's no other indication of that happening. i get what you're saying by avoiding letting the mafia know what your role is but them knowing that nick isn't a daykiller isn't such a huge blow to town right now i think.

i also dislike you answering questions directed at other players. it just makes things messy.

i think hando is indy or town. like some people said taking one for the team can be a good thing and he's emphasizing how making himself hard to read is good for town. seemed to be intent on living and being confusing but contributed a little more when pressed. i think if he was mafia he wouldn't have continued the quote wars with circus and nick and whoever else went at him. if i had to vote someone right now it'd be him but like others have said we have time and should take advantage of it

 

[#HBC | marshy]

as for someone thinking nick would have a vig pr i don't get that. what would make them think that? there was no flavor indicating he missed so i think most people would conclude that it wasn't real

 

[Handorin]

In addition, you've just about completely halted the game's scumhunting, (except of course that directed at you) and seem more intent on discussing mafia theory for your own benefit. On the whole, you appear to be hurting more than helping. I was on the fence in my last post, but I think I've seen enough reason to give you my vote.

Vote: Handorin

I didn't halt the games scum hunting. It's an on going process and we have plenty of posts between a few of us. It's not as if you can only scum hunt the people who are currently on someone's chopping block or the one asking questions.

So from what I gather from your post, instead of me posting in my defense, I should just stop talking. Then people will stop pestering me (lol?) and you can continue on your jolly old scum hunt.

Twisting my words around does not refute the point I'm trying to make. I did not say that a townie should try less hard to live; I said that their own life should come second to the good of the town as a whole. Do you agree with that?

Vanilla, in most cases yes. Power Role, no. They shouldn't have to sacrifice their life just for the good of the town if there is so much more they can do later.

I asked you the question twice and you blew me off because you just assumed I didn't understand you. Which actually implies that you knew your terminology was confusing to begin with and used it anyway, perhaps intending for people to trip over it. Or maybe you changed your mind about what you meant after the fact. Either way, it all reads poorly in my eyes.

My terms weren't confusing at all and it was not my intent for them to be. Everyone who had answered didn't have a problem with it. (Except Nic, I think. But he corrected his answer later once I explained)

All of that said, I'm seeing what others mean by not wanting to narrow our sights too much. I probably have become a little too focused on you and your vote count is starting to gain more momentum than I'd like.

Yah, you think? Before Tom posted, it was pretty much Me, Nic, you, and a side of Kiki. And it was 3v1. Fun times.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Only way people would think he has a vig pr, is if someone else who had one activated theres on the same player via pm to EE right after he made the fake one. The chances of that happening are really slim.

I don't really see how the fake day-kill negatively affected town. I would still like stronger reasoning from people like KevM and ROckin who felt the need to vote nic.

 

[Handorin]

Oh, btw. I have to be at work at 10am central tommorow. We had a really big storm here and the store just south of us lost power. If it doesn't go up, then we have to take their delivery area along with our huge one already. I'll likely be at work all day. So expect maybe one post in the morning if I wake up early enough.

 

[Rockin]

This post really set off some of my flags, but maybe its just Rockin's playstyle that continues to do this (as it obviously did and is in TLI Mafia). You start out by falling into the false dilemma of Handorin or Nick, and then voted Nick because he scared you with the fake daykill. You then comment that its "fine and dandy that he's trying to spark discussion" but if he "continues, he's only going to hurt the town." I don't follow that logic. If its fine that he is trying to spark discussion, then it's fine that he's doing it. If It's not, it's not. Pick one. You then say that he's not taking the discussion seriously, which would be acceptable if Nick laughed off the fake daykill, but that's the opposite of what he did. He admitted that it had its faults, and he has addressed everything and discussed everything. He is most definitely taking the discussion seriously, and I have been able to get more of an acceptable read off of him than off of you, Rockin. At the end, you remark that he should "knock it off or get lynched." Knock what off? As I remarked earlier in the post, while the fake daykill shocked me, I didn't find it find anti-town.


Don't confuse the anti-town sentiments you feel towards a random REAL day-kill with one that turns out to be fake. They are two different things.

The "fine and dandy that he's trying to spark discussion" is just me saying that it's good that he's sparking discussion. During the time people were questioning your reason for the font, I try to move the discussion something worth to talk about, like talking about who are Mafias might be. The only thing that urks me if they try to spark discussion in a BAD way, which was why I got on Nic on that as well as the following. "continues, he's only going to hurt the town.". The "Knock it off" part was just me saying 'don't do that again.' I didn't found that anti-town either. Just felt it was annoying. >>;;

You speak about my playstyle and way of posting doesn't look good in your eyes. Mind explaining please?

In all seriousness, the mafia can't know if he has a daykill or not, because the daykill format could have been evaporate: target_player or eat: target_player or electrocute: target_player or any sort of flavored daykill pertaining to his character. Also, what does "We are Town, we need to stick together and keep all kinds of PRs concealed," even have to do with Nick fakekill?

That quote is just me explaining what a group should really do. Of course, we can't tell who the heck is mafia and who's town...but still. It really has nothing to do with nick's fakekill. Just me personally speaking.

rockin i think telling nick "hando has been more helpful because he didn't fake a daykill" is silly. fake daykilling draws attention from everyone. this is his first game. you're telling me that he'd want to do that in his first game as mafia? not to say that clears him but i think your vote was weird. i don't think that negates all of the other useful posts he's made.

This wasn't a vote of me like lynching him off. It's just my way of saying to others to just 'stop it.' I'll take it off very soon.

you really expect someone to care about all of this when it comes to faking? hesitating to fake a daykill for "some gay reason" confuses me. if someone wants to fish for reactions from a fake daykill they're not going to worry about it succeeding when their role says it won't and there's no other indication of that happening. i get what you're saying by avoiding letting the mafia know what your role is but them knowing that nick isn't a daykiller isn't such a huge blow to town right now i think.

It wasn't the fact that he's faking. It was the fact that Mafia/independent could have that vig PR and just killed KevinM like that, easily framing Nick and possibly doing a mislynch of a townie/power role. I like to keep others alive till proven guilty of a lynch.

i also dislike you answering questions directed at other players. it just makes things messy.

Mexican BJ - His question was directed at everyone and I simply answered

Nickolas - Again, a question directed at everyone and I wanted to merely answer.

Handorin - oh god, that quote was too hot to pass up! XD I main MK. what could I do? LOL

Handorin (2) - I actually misread that. He was asking about Kirby King and Cirus

Kirby King and Handorin (3) - Those two I wanted to answer personally. I know sometimes people be asking questions to specific people, but I like answering these so as to both be in topic of the discussion as well as being helpful in my imput

Nickolas (2)- Okay, his comment right there pissed me off. It was my first game and I know I kinda messed up with that one. I don't mind accepting critiques from time to time. Hell, I'll take harsh ones. But when you insult on a game and just tell of your dislikes instead of something more constructive, then it hurts me. If no one has nothing good to say about something, then they should not say it at all. >_>

 

[#HBC | marshy]

i meant the 2nd hando quote and the kiki quote in that link where they both name specific players and you reply anyway. you say you want to be helpful but that could end up hurting. you could give the people they're looking for reactions from an easy way out.

and a mafia killer framing nick is so unlikely. there are almost never more than 2 killing roles in the mafia on swf.

 

[Rockin]

i meant the 2nd hando quote and the kiki quote in that link where they both name specific players and you reply anyway. you say you want to be helpful but that could end up hurting. you could give the people they're looking for reactions from an easy way out.

I understand. I'll keep my mouth shut upon those type of questions.

 

[Evil Eye]

No Good Spidey-Lovers:




junglefever (1): Handorin

Eor (1): Tom

Handorin (3): Nicholas1024, MexicanBJ, Sharpevil

Nicholas1024 (2): KevinM, Rockin

Tom (1): Kirby King

Marshy (1): Mediocre

Yaya (1): Nothing Rhymes With Circus

With 17, it takes 9 to lynch!

 

[Mediocre]

Hey, Marshy, I like how you're being more accusatory now. That's good.

I'd appreciate if you would explain why you were seeming to shy away from explanations before. Also, I'm wondering why you didn't bother to respond to my post, which was primarily focused on you. I would expect most posters to take notice of a vote and corresponding large post that targeted them, but you didn't acknowledge it at all. Why?

 

[Handorin]

Handorin - oh god, that quote was too hot to pass up! XD I main MK. what could I do? LOL

Play Melee.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Nickolas (2)- Okay, his comment right there pissed me off. It was my first game and I know I kinda messed up with that one. I don't mind accepting critiques from time to time. Hell, I'll take harsh ones. But when you insult on a game and just tell of your dislikes instead of something more constructive, then it hurts me. If no one has nothing good to say about something, then they should not say it at all. >_>

Understood. Well, I think you should have included more town power roles, and stripped 2 of the mafia of their power roles. Also, it probably would have been better had you reversed the town-mafia players. I mean, who would believe that peach is mafia? As for the flavor... that was more of a personal dislike. (Of course, since I've barely played mafia, this might not be the best instruction, but... its my take on the game.)

 

[Kirby King]

Question for everyone: if Kevin ended up dying after Nick's daykill (i.e. it wasn't a fake daykill), would you have voted to lynch Nick? Just a yes or no for now please.


Unvote

 

[Handorin]

Question for everyone: if Kevin ended up dying after Nick's daykill (i.e. it wasn't a fake daykill), would you have voted to lynch Nick? Just a yes or no for now please.


Unvote

Just a yes or no? Well snapz.

If nothing else changed besides it being real:
Yes

 

[#HBC | Mac]

It's not that simple, it would depend on the circumstances and how Nic explained himself. But he would definitely be a top candidate for lynch.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Rockin

I had a bit of suspicion about you voting me for my fake day-kill, but since everyone seemed to agree that it was idiotic (until Tom posted), I've kept it to myself. I know you could probably come up with some method of explaining it, but it also might be a scumtell... However, I don't think its enough info for a vote. (At least not just yet...)

@Everyone
After going through the past couple pages of posts, I think I now agree that although Handorin is likely independent/mafia, lynching him might not be the best idea until we get some more discussion on D1. So, Unvote . Let's put Handorin out of the spotlight for the moment, and discuss some other people.

@Tom
I wondered when someone was going to hit on the possibility that I might have a vigilante role with a different command... but I won't comment on it anymore.

Also, I agree that Eor has been unhelpful all game... and his Freudian slip thing didn't make much sense to me either. Due to the fact that he was also slow to respond about the question of what the Freudian slip was... I think it might be a scumtell. At any rate, Vote Eor, until he explains himself and contributes more to this game.

Finally, one question for everyone. Do you think that Rockin's vote on me should raise suspicion, and if so, would it be enough to merit a vote, or just an FOS?

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Kirbyking,

If that daykill HAD been real, I'd probably been dead by now.

 

[Evil Eye]

No Good Spidey-Lovers:




junglefever (1): Handorin

Eor (2): Tom, Nicholas1024

Handorin (2): MexicanBJ, Sharpevil

Nicholas1024 (2): KevinM, Rockin

Marshy (1): Mediocre

Yaya (1): Nothing Rhymes With Circus

With 17, it takes 9 to lynch!

 

[Rockin]

Play Melee.

I play both games (Mainly Brawl). Only cause it's more comfortable on my hands.

Understood. Well, I think you should have included more town power roles, and stripped 2 of the mafia of their power roles. Also, it probably would have been better had you reversed the town-mafia players. I mean, who would believe that peach is mafia? As for the flavor... that was more of a personal dislike. (Of course, since I've barely played mafia, this might not be the best instruction, but... its my take on the game.)

Okay, I'm gonna mention several things about the game and then I don't want this brought up again because we're suppose to be playing THIS Mafia game

1) It was my VERY first time making it

2) I know AFTER the game, I realized I didn't give Town better prs. I've told everyone I'll make sure they'll have better quality PRs.

3) Out of the group, Peach is fairly believed to be mafia. Wouldn't you think it's evil to send a plumber constantly to save your *** time and time again? Only to be promised a kiss on the cheek and cake? I found that very manipulative

@Rockin

I had a bit of suspicion about you voting me for my fake day-kill, but since everyone seemed to agree that it was idiotic (until Tom posted), I've kept it to myself. I know you could probably come up with some method of explaining it, but it also might be a scumtell... However, I don't think its enough info for a vote. (At least not just yet...)

As I explained to Tom, the vote was mainly just met for you to stfu. It's not enough of a reason to lynch.

unvote

 

[Evil Eye]

Take discussion of other mafia games that doesn't relate to this one to PMs/whatever, guys.

Yaya has requested replacement. I am trying to get in contact with Ignatius.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

I'd appreciate if you would explain why you were seeming to shy away from explanations before.

Question for everyone: if Kevin ended up dying after Nick's daykill (i.e. it wasn't a fake daykill), would you have voted to lynch Nick? Just a yes or no for now please.

no

Finally, one question for everyone. Do you think that Rockin's vote on me should raise suspicion, and if so, would it be enough to merit a vote, or just an FOS?

yes. fos.

 

[Tom]

Question for everyone: if Kevin ended up dying after Nick's daykill (i.e. it wasn't a fake daykill), would you have voted to lynch Nick? Just a yes or no for now please.

N o

 

[Mediocre]

Question for everyone: if Kevin ended up dying after Nick's daykill (i.e. it wasn't a fake daykill), would you have voted to lynch Nick? Just a yes or no for now please.

I'm assuming Kevin turns out to be town? If Nick daykilled him seemingly randomly and he turns out to be mafia, then I would have a lot of questions for Nick, but I wouldn't be voting for him.

However, even if the daykill had actually worked and KevinM had died, I would not have immediately voted to lynch Nicholas. Anger fueled quicklynches are never a good thing for the town, because they ignore other options, and all the emotion involved can easily act as a shield to protect the mafia from repercussions if they pile in on the vote.

He'd be a strong contender for a lynch later in the day (meaning game day, of course), but it would still be better to allow him time to explain himself, and we should still use whatever time we had remaining in the day toe explore other possibilities.

 

[Mediocre]

Also, Unvote: Marshy

 

[Evil Eye]

No Good Spidey-Lovers:




junglefever (1): Handorin

Eor (2): Tom, Nicholas1024

Handorin (2): MexicanBJ, Sharpevil

Nicholas1024 (1): KevinM

Yaya (1): Nothing Rhymes With Circus

With 17, it takes 9 to lynch!

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I also would not have lynched Nick. I'd want to know why the hell he would do such a thing. Would it raise my suspicion level? Hell yeah. But right now, with whatever the hell Hando is doing, It'd be a toss up between the two acting...just strange.

 

[Nicholas1024]

So, moving on... where has KevinM gotten to? After my fake daykill, he pretty much vanished from the scene. (His last post was #324) He used to be pretty active. Does anyone else find this suspicious at all?

 

[Kirby King]

Follow up for those who said they would vote for Nick: what would be your reasoning? Would it be because you'd think he was mafia? independent? Would it be punishment for using his daykill poorly? Some other reason?

Follow up for Mediocre: I said just yes or no

Nick: not really. He wasn't super active at the beginning of the game and in the games I've played people naturally waver in activity levels. That's not to say it wouldn't be nice to hear from him, but I don't find it particularly suspicious.

 

[Sharpevil]

I didn't halt the games scum hunting. It's an on going process and we have plenty of posts between a few of us. It's not as if you can only scum hunt the people who are currently on someone's chopping block or the one asking questions.

So from what I gather from your post, instead of me posting in my defense, I should just stop talking. Then people will stop pestering me (lol?) and you can continue on your jolly old scum hunt.

I wasn't suggesting you post less. I was suggesting you post more about other people.

Although now that I think about it, pointing fingers all over the place when you're being accused might be seen as scummy. I'm leaving my vote up, though, because nobody else seems more suspicious to me yet.

 

[Handorin]

I wasn't suggesting you post less. I was suggesting you post more about other people.

Although now that I think about it, pointing fingers all over the place when you're being accused might be seen as scummy. I'm leaving my vote up, though, because nobody else seems more suspicious to me yet.

I did not point fingers at anyone during the main part of the argument. Earlier in the game, I asked a few people on opinions on KK and Circus and that was it. I just had to keep bringing it up because people never answered.


You know I've heard it said theres beauty in distortion
By some people who withdraw to find their head
And they say there is humor in misfortune
No, I wonder if they'll laugh when I am dead

Why am I fighting to live
If I'm just living to fight
Why am I trying to see
When there aint nothing in sight
Why am I trying to give
When noone gives me a try
Why am I dying to live
If I'm just living to die

You know some people say that values are subjective
But theyre just speaking words
That someone else has said
And so they live and fight and kill with no objective
Sometimes its hard to tell the living from the dead

You know I used to weave
My words into confusion
And so I hope you'll understand me
When I'm through
You know I used to live my life as an illusion
But reality wil make my dream come true

So I'll keep fighting to live
Till theres no reason to fight
And I'll keep trying to see
Until the end is in sight
You know I'm trying to give
So come on
Give me a try
You know I'm dying to live
Until I'm ready to die

 

[Sharpevil]

I did not point fingers at anyone during the main part of the argument. Earlier in the game, I asked a few people on opinions on KK and Circus and that was it. I just had to keep bringing it up because people never answered.

No. I understand that. What I was saying is that what I had originally accused you of was not pointing enough fingers, but then I realized that people might not look too fondly upon that.

 

[Tom]

You know I've heard it said theres beauty in distortion
By some people who withdraw to find their head
And they say there is humor in misfortune
No, I wonder if they'll laugh when I am dead

Why am I fighting to live
If I'm just living to fight
Why am I trying to see
When there aint nothing in sight
Why am I trying to give
When noone gives me a try
Why am I dying to live
If I'm just living to die

You know some people say that values are subjective
But theyre just speaking words
That someone else has said
And so they live and fight and kill with no objective
Sometimes its hard to tell the living from the dead

You know I used to weave
My words into confusion
And so I hope you'll understand me
When I'm through
You know I used to live my life as an illusion
But reality wil make my dream come true

So I'll keep fighting to live
Till theres no reason to fight
And I'll keep trying to see
Until the end is in sight
You know I'm trying to give
So come on
Give me a try
You know I'm dying to live
Until I'm ready to die

wtf bud. Not really helping your case since you said you were changing your playstyle and you hoped Circus liked your new one, unless you were kidding about dropping the "if I'm totally random then I'll be completely unreadable" strat.

 

[KevinM]

@ Kiki

Considering I'd be dead, I would have to say no.

More to come, sorry everyone I was at a tournament and didn't give any warning so sorry for in the drop in activity.

I will also be attending another one tomorrow but will try and sneak on tomorrow night =).

Let me read through now.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Don't let mango turn you into a combo video this time. =D

 

[Eor]

I'm going to vote: Kirby King becuase he is introducing conversation that doesn't matter at all and wants us to discuss it. Us discussing what we'd hypothetically do doesn't work, because people won't respond with what they'd do but what they'd want people to think. It's a massive derailment and Kirby King knows better

 

[Handorin]

wtf bud. Not really helping your case since you said you were changing your playstyle and you hoped Circus liked your new one, unless you were kidding about dropping the "if I'm totally random then I'll be completely unreadable" strat.

I just like the song.

+It's kind the chorus is fitting at the moment.

 

[Kirby King]

I'm going to vote: Kirby King becuase he is introducing conversation that doesn't matter at all and wants us to discuss it. Us discussing what we'd hypothetically do doesn't work, because people won't respond with what they'd do but what they'd want people to think. It's a massive derailment and Kirby King knows better

I asked everyone for one word answers to a simple question. I then asked a follow-up question to a subset of those who responded (and only the people I thought had interesting answers). If you claim this is a "massive derailment," Eor, you must hold that (a) this discussion is fruitless, which I would argue already isn't true, (b) this discussion is preventing other discussion from taking place, when it's designed to target only those whose one word answers were of interest, minimizing its scope, and (c) this discussion has actually "massively derailed" other ongoing (presumably legitimate) discussion. I challenge you to prove your claim, or else admit that you're just throwing around baseless accusations to look important.

I'd also like to know what you think of Mediocre. Does his long-winded response to my question raise any flags for you, especially after Marshy posted about why we shouldn't be providing easy outs to questions that no one asked us?

 

[Handorin]

In regards to why I would vote for Nic, it would because I have seen day kill SKs before. So after some questions and such, it would be the likely result.