Sonic The Hedgehog: Community Matchup thread

Jim Morrison · Jan 7, 2009

ROY, if I make a post with the links to where all character discussions started (up to now), will you put it in post 3 too? Greenstreets is... Fail...

Chis · Jan 7, 2009

ROOOOY! said:
We really need moar Lucas mains here.
I know they did the match-up on their boards recently and I think had it as neutral.

The main point of this post is to tell everyone that the chart is updated on post 3, with the agreed match-up numbers put in an easy enough way to read.

I did that remember?

Tenki · Jan 7, 2009

Maybe ask a mod to change the link URL in the first post to the one in ROOOOY's post?

a Yoshi main had cited the 'chart in your matchup thread' once, and I'm sure all he read was the first post's chart.

note:
AFK
u do it.

Jim Morrison · Jan 7, 2009

Okay Tenki, your job is to ask a mod to do that, I'll make find the pages/posts and link them. This will be done after I finish my homework.

ROOOOY! · Jan 7, 2009

Yeah Gf2tw, I'll add those links onto the 3rd post.

Does anyone have any objections to the way the chart looks like?

I'm going for now though, might be back laters.
I need to revise.

Jim Morrison · Jan 7, 2009

I disagree with 50:50 on IC's, it should be more like 60:40 to IC's. But that's just my opinion to a mixed opinion of 2 boards... right?

Shugo-Chan · Jan 7, 2009

I disagree with Marth being that big of a counter I'd say 55:45 at most.. olimar is a LOT tougher than him imo

Camalange · Jan 7, 2009

Yah see Shugo...we usually just give others a higher advantage because in discussion we get a lot of...

My character can do this and Sonic is bad. 70/30, Marf's favor.

:/

It's not that big a deal really, it's not like these "ratings" are completley accurate in real matches.

Jim Morrison · Jan 7, 2009

Marth outranges you in every single move. Defensive Marth = 65:35 disadvantage. Offensive Marth = 60:40 disadvantage, defensive Marth owns offensive Marth. He can really just stay in place constantly brick walling with F-air, D-tilt, F-tilts and moves like that.

Olimar isn't as hard. He just seems more annoying because of his size, which makes him hard to SH approach. His grabs aren't as good as against other characters. Sonic can run trough his grabs. Smashes are a pain, but ASC > Olimars smashes.

Camalange · Jan 7, 2009

I personally think ROB is much harder than we credit though. I feel that's a legit 60/40, but we have 55/45. Ah well, I generally stay out of these discussions because I don't know too many matchups besides people on WiFi (which is NOT a legit way to base off matchups) however, I play 2 great ROBs reguarly and one of them just placed top 5 in a tournament we went to of 34 entrants...so I know he's good, lol.

Jim Morrison · Jan 7, 2009

MalcolmM · Jan 7, 2009

rob is ALOT harder than the matchup thread credits him for. but oh well....no1 plays good robs so they speak on their experience of how easy it is to beat bad opponents. i still havent beaten NLs rob with sonic...once. and i feel like im playing the match **** near perfect. but whats done is done...i think MK and marth are closer to even then peach is. but no1 listens to malcolm.

Jim Morrison · Jan 7, 2009

If you state reasons why MK would be 60:40/55:45?

MalcolmM · Jan 7, 2009

mayb next matchup discussion...whats done is done. metagame changes n all that nonsense lmao.

Jim Morrison · Jan 7, 2009

Lolwtf, next time we discuss MK will not be for 4 months I'm sure. Unless you request we revise the MK matchup.

ParanoidDrone · Jan 7, 2009

We still looking for Lucas input here?

Sonic's biggest advantage is the difficulty he gives Lucas when trying to land a KO. I generally feel very unsafe when using anything slower than ftilt simply because Sonic is That Fast(TM). I'd imagine your best best is to not let up with pressure and use your speed to punish everything you can.

I think I'm forgetting something...I'll edit this later if I remember it.

Jim Morrison · Jan 7, 2009

We like your input

. Yea, I too think being spasmic Sonic and running around like crazy will not hurt much. Just run away and back a lot.

Kinzer · Jan 7, 2009

Gf2tw said:
I disagree with 50:50 on IC's, it should be more like 60:40 to IC's. But that's just my opinion to a mixed opinion of 2 boards... right?

ICs are at a 45:55 against us if it makes you feel better.

Gf2tw said:
We like your input . Yea, I too think being spasmic Sonic and running around like crazy will not hurt much. Just run away and back a lot.

Uhm... no. You still have to be looking out, or the next thing you know you'll be flying to the ceiling faster than you can run Final Destination. It is true that you are free to go wild since all of Lucas' killmoves are highly unsafe against Sonic, but that doesn't mean they lose their power.

Shugo-Chan · Jan 7, 2009

Ahaha i know just imo after all. I fight marf on a daily basis so i just find it easier. Not noob marth players either lol. And yes ROB is a lot harder i fight my bros a bit and its very hard to beat him with shawnic :/

ParanoidDrone · Jan 7, 2009

Kinzer said:
Uhm... no. You still have to be looking out, or the next thing you know you'll be flying to the ceiling faster than you can run Final Destination. It is true that you are free to go wild since all of Lucas' killmoves are highly unsafe against Sonic, but that doesn't mean they lose their power.

Only once you've taken about 70% damage or so. Otherwise, you'll hit the ceiling a fraction of a second later than you would reach the end of FD.

<3 PK Love

thecatinthehat · Jan 7, 2009

lol.

Which character are we discussing?

Sorry but I haven't really lurked while I was banned.

Kinzer · Jan 7, 2009

Omelete.

thecatinthehat · Jan 7, 2009

lol.

I would understand what you mean by that.

I enjoy playing Lucas.

It's not that I **** Lucas.

I just enjoy the matchup.

RenegadeRaven · Jan 8, 2009

Is Sonic u-tilt > Lucas n-air?

prOAPC · Jan 8, 2009

Lucas nair is good for combos, rack up damage and eat shield, but has low priority
we Lucas players have different playstyles, some use nair, and other use dair, i'm a nairer, while some others like Tyr are dairers lol

RenegadeRaven · Jan 9, 2009

Haven't played a Lucas in a good while. But they don't seen too tough.

I don't think you have to worry too much about Lucas' side B spam. It's not as annoying as Ness' IMO.
Watch out for his Usmash. It's slow as ****, but it's **** strong. Don't roll into it, don't d-air into it. They might try to use it as a surprise approach. So watch out! Don't try to side step it. Just dash/roll away. Or shield if you think it's too late.

N-air - This move can be autocancelled, I think. And can be followed by a jab, Utilt, Ftilt, and Dtilt(maybe?). Maybe a Fsmash if you're too slow. It's a multi-hit move and can be spammed if autocancelled. It can rack up some nice damage. No clue on the priority of this move. Never used to use Utilt. So it might beat that move. I dunno.

Watch out for b-air/d-air spikes.

Can't get much from me. =(

Super_Sonic8677 · Jan 9, 2009

RenegadeRaven said:
Haven't played a Lucas in a good while. But they don't seen too tough.

I don't think you have to worry too much about Lucas' side B spam. It's not as annoying as Ness' IMO.
Watch out for his Usmash. It's slow as ****, but it's **** strong. Don't roll into it, don't d-air into it. They might try to use it as a surprise approach. So watch out! Don't try to side step it. Just dash/roll away. Or shield if you think it's too late.

Or hit them out of it if you're fast enough lol

ithrowthings · Jan 9, 2009

Can lucas shield a f-smash then grab you? I know Ness can and it makes it a big pain...

Kinzer · Jan 9, 2009

He should be able to, he has rope-Snake, but I would like somebody else to tell me I'm right. >.>

RenegadeRaven · Jan 9, 2009

Super_Sonic8677 said:
Or hit them out of it if you're fast enough lol

xD True, but I don't like risking it.
Besides, if you dodge it, you can usually punish him with almost whatever you want. =P

ShadowLink84 · Jan 9, 2009

Hey can someone test this out for me.
After releasing an opponent from a grab (into the air) I've been managing to chase after them and Fair them before they manage to attack me./ Of course a few characters end up too high and far away.

I've also managed to regrab a few MK's after an air release.
Mind you they'll pop into the air as long as they hit anything that isn't down. Just need to see if someone can verify this for me since I have no humans here to use. >_>

No humans to use...
humans...to use...
no...

IMMA ****ING ROBOT!

Mmac · Jan 10, 2009

Wow, did all the Sonic Mains get banned?

Also, What are the ratios to Sheik and beyond? Just want to know....

Terios the Hedgehog · Jan 10, 2009

Yeah. We're a bunch of spamming *******s.

Mmac · Jan 10, 2009

Terios the Hedgehog said:
Yeah. We're a bunch of spamming *******s.

Ah! I see what you are doing there!

*Was fooled

*

Terios the Hedgehog · Jan 10, 2009

Don't spoil it.

ROOOOY! · Jan 10, 2009

Mmac, look at post 3. The thread opener is on holiday for a few months, so I'm maintaining the chart there.
And ehhh, we really need to wrap up Lucas soon. This thread is dying.

Counterpicks?

Chis · Jan 10, 2009

Erm, no offence but this chart hurts my eyes

ROOOOY! · Jan 10, 2009

Well I'm sorry I'm not artistically talented. The main aim wasn't for prettyness.

Unless you mean it hurts your eyes because you don't agree with it, same here lol.

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Take Lucas to Rainbow Cruise?

Blistering Speed · Jan 10, 2009

ShadowLink84 said:
Hey can someone test this out for me.
After releasing an opponent from a grab (into the air) I've been managing to chase after them and Fair them before they manage to attack me./ Of course a few characters end up too high and far away.

I've also managed to regrab a few MK's after an air release.
Mind you they'll pop into the air as long as they hit anything that isn't down. Just need to see if someone can verify this for me since I have no humans here to use. >_>

No humans to use...
humans...to use...
no...

IMMA ****ING ROBOT!

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=213892

Done and done, it has every character's possibilities from air release and ground.

ShadowLink84 · Jan 10, 2009

Mmac said:
Ah! I see what you are doing there!

*Was fooled

*

Hylian will speak with you soon O_O

I am unsure about SHeik but I believe its 60:40 with Sheik.

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