DireDrop
Smash Journeyman
In my experience, the Sonic who spins in the right place at the right time first wins. Sonic can't handle his own pressure, and he can't punish wiffed spin attacks very well either.
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Sonic General Discussion/Social thread
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That, plus whoever has a better punish game.
MU can feel kind of dumb when u both constantly hit each other with the same move (down b)
DireDrop
Smash Journeyman
I hope the Sonic ditto evolves beyond spinning first. It makes the MU feel really lame.
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
I feel like sonic dittos are kind of stupid all because of homing attack and down b trades
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Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
I Would kind of compare sonic dittos to Falcon,Falco,Fox Dittos you need Momentum
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Player -0
Smash Hero
Use the edit button please....
Solharath
[ZTD] CEO
You know, in 3.0 the changelist stated that Sonic would no longer double-jump out of Spin Jump if you used C-stick up, and I never checked this/don't remember if this was true, but in 3.02 Sonic will double jump if you C-stick up during Spin Jump.
I hope this gets fixed... again?
I hope this gets fixed... again?
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
I Think its fixed because when i tried t just now i still had a double jump
Solharath
[ZTD] CEO
Well that's not exactly what I'm saying. The idea here is that if you use Down-B on the ground and jump and press C-stick during it, Sonic will jump instead of performing a uair out of the move. I believe this still happens if you simply press up during it as well, despite tap-jump off. It's a very odd mechanic, and gets in the way more often than not.
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Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
Oh I Understand more clearly than yes it still works its weird though
I think this is a bug or a mix of multiple elements of the engine. I tested this out and sometimes sonic would do the u-air and sometimes do the DJ, it made no sense and there was no consistency in one of them happening so I hope it gets fixed to just one, preferably u-air.
DireDrop
Smash Journeyman
THAT'S bad. I hope that gets fixed soon. I agree Uair is the better option for it to default to. It also makes more sense, because doing an aerial is what Sonic does for the other 3 directions.
Solharath
[ZTD] CEO
Yeah I've been put in bad positions because I went for the Uair and got the DJ, turning my positional advantage into a disadvantage because something isn't working right. I'm sure this was an oversight because it clearly says in the 3.0 changelog that this has previously been fixed. You can get around this somewhat by holding a jump command during the entirety of the move, but with frames on the line and making some split second decisions, the difference between letting go and re-hitting jump or deciding on a uair can be the deciding factor when really you're just dealing with an overlooked bug is huge.
Sonic's I need some help again with a MU. What the heck do we have on Mario? That man has a good projectile, is hard to combo, and it feels hard to land a kill move. I fought Updog, a Mario in my region, and it went to game 3 last hit. Constant pill usage, I couldn't land a solid kill move, and I couldn't punish jab to downsmash on my shield reliably. It felt like 2.6 Sonic all over again. Once Mario hits a high enough percentage (140 or so) he can di upgrab so I can't follow up with a kill move. Down-b to nair wasn't landing either once he hit a high enough percentage. I fought M2K as well and at first I thought I would have a chance because I thought he would pick Fox but once he slid that cursor over to Mario I knew it was over, that match got streamed to and I just got bopped.
Btw I played Mapmark in tourney off stream, man Sonic dittos are fraudulent lol.
And about the ctick up thing out of a spin jump. I found if I actually go for a uair using up + a then I always get the uair. Maybe it has something to do with me playing with tap jump which allows me to always get it using up + a but that seems counter intuitive since tap jump is on.
Btw I played Mapmark in tourney off stream, man Sonic dittos are fraudulent lol.
And about the ctick up thing out of a spin jump. I found if I actually go for a uair using up + a then I always get the uair. Maybe it has something to do with me playing with tap jump which allows me to always get it using up + a but that seems counter intuitive since tap jump is on.
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Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
I Would say be a little more patient i guess I never fought a Mario to be Honest
Solharath
[ZTD] CEO
Go Link.
Against Mario is a difficult matchup, but if you keep to 45 degrees above him and bait out a reaction, using side-b to escape if Mario doesn't do anything that you can find punishable. I generally look to utilt firepills from a far distance, or go for footdive falls to cancel them out(shorthop dair repeatedly and without mercy. L_Cancel everything or get bodied). Sonic has some good stuff against Mario, but that's really if you nail him off stage, where you can make use of your varied option to take him down for good.
I hope to be playing our resident Mario's next weekend, L_Cancel and Zinoto, so I'll try to give more info then, but otherwise if you sense a cape, go for a homing attack and watch yourself fly. Between dair and your specials, you should always be able to come home against Mario if you're above him. If you're below,... eh, well, start planning your next stock.
Against Mario is a difficult matchup, but if you keep to 45 degrees above him and bait out a reaction, using side-b to escape if Mario doesn't do anything that you can find punishable. I generally look to utilt firepills from a far distance, or go for footdive falls to cancel them out(shorthop dair repeatedly and without mercy. L_Cancel everything or get bodied). Sonic has some good stuff against Mario, but that's really if you nail him off stage, where you can make use of your varied option to take him down for good.
I hope to be playing our resident Mario's next weekend, L_Cancel and Zinoto, so I'll try to give more info then, but otherwise if you sense a cape, go for a homing attack and watch yourself fly. Between dair and your specials, you should always be able to come home against Mario if you're above him. If you're below,... eh, well, start planning your next stock.
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
I think I will play at least a Mario this Summer time to learn the match up
Dang, glad to know it wasn't just me sucking at that particular MU and it's actually just legit hard for Sonic on stage. I've fought Squeak and Plank on multiple occasions in tournament, both of which play MK, and I know MK is supposed to be a hard MU and all but Mario felt a whole lot tougher with moves that cut through all of my balls and the added bonus of a great projectile. Maybe when I fight an MK of Plups caliber I'll discover how bad that MU can be x.x
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
Now we should talk about the Pit Match Up
LAYHR
Smash Rookie
I was watching a video of sonic and I saw him grab the edge using a dash attack or side b? Can someone tell me how to do this?
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
When you go off the edge to use side b at the ledge but you Hold the b button
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
May we please talk about the Pit Matchup
DireDrop
Smash Journeyman
Powershield all arrows perfectly.
GabPR
Smash Lord
Nair goes through arrows
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
That is extremely useful thanks for the advice!
Nazo
Smash Journeyman
You can also crouch cancel arrows if you're having trouble shielding or Nairing it.
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
If you crouch cancel the arrows will you still get the hitlag
Nazo
Smash Journeyman
@Pr0fessor Flash
Nah, it's pretty much like crouch cancelling any other kind of attack. you're free to do whatever you want after getting hit.
Nah, it's pretty much like crouch cancelling any other kind of attack. you're free to do whatever you want after getting hit.
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For pit's arrows, you can just spin dash under them. If he angles them down towards you, you could get hit but spin dash is so fast that it's hard for pit to consistenly hit you if your not predicable when you down b.
Neptune Shiranui
Shadow Streak~
Sonic can use Homing/Blast attack to bounce off Pit's arrows.
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
I kind of think it is a bad idea to use nair because while nair goes through arrows the nair gets stale as you use nair to avoid arrows
GabPR
Smash Lord
It has its uses
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
But if you are staling you nair its harder to kill
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GabPR
Smash Lord
It can be used defensively to get back on stage from the alternative of getting free arrows to the face. On the ground its better to power shield ofc, but there are the posibilities of situations in which a pit throwing an arrow too close to you can throw the nair as a way to approach. Of course these are situational.
DireDrop
Smash Journeyman
It is not. Stale moves only have less damage output. Knockback is unchanged.
http://www.ign.com/wikis/smash-bros-project-m/Stale_Moves_Stale_Damage_Output_but_not_Knockback
TwicH
Smash Apprentice
I don't know too much about the Pit MU but usually I try motivate him to use arrows by spacing so I can go for a quick Down-B if I see him bring out that bow. Off stage however... You just need to be good at gimping. He shouldn't be able to recover if you can hit Pit with at least one Dair or Fair. Thank goodness they nerfed his recovery. I forget this though: Can Pit use another Side-B if he gets hit out of it?
GabPR
Smash Lord
nope, he has to grab the ledge or land on the ground. On another topic... has anyone considered the posibility of using dair sweetspot as a combo extender on low percents with up throw (usually easier for me with a quick double jump for positioning) and in some cases after side b? Since the.sweet spot works like a spike similar to falco and marths dair, opponents are sorta stunned to the ground when they.get hit (I believe this can be done below.50 percent). I believe this permits a free smash, another grab or side b . Any thoughts?
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
Pit has a semi-predictable tech roll so tech chasing is in Sonic favor
Pr0fessor Flash
Smash Master
Sonic's nair also go through Mario's pills/fireballs which makes the match up a little easier but the Match up is still in Mario's favor
Player -0
Smash Hero
Dude, use the edit button.