Sonic General Discussion/Social thread

[Neptune Shiranui]

Wait, so if you do the bair you can do the airdodge any time and not in the IASA frames of bair?

Yes, it's a very good mind-game because they will think he's not able to do it.

 

[GunBlaze]

Yes, it's a very good mind-game because they will think he's not able to do it.

inb43.03removesit

 

[Nazo]

you can also wall jump after bair and airdodge immediately after. it makes recovering broken on stages with walls. It's definitely not suppose to be in this build but It's been abused for nearly 3 months now.


have fun always getting back to the stage, guys

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

They finally made Sonic's recovery better!

 

[Virum]

They finally made Sonic's recovery better!

We didn't update anything. People just discovered it.

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

We didn't update anything. People just discovered it.

I'm still Happy

 

[PillsBuryDopeBoy]

Guys im in the process of building a "best character versions" Project M file, what version was sonic the best in, 2.5?

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

Guys im in the process of building a "best character versions" Project M file, what version was sonic the best in, 2.5?

2.5 and 2.1 and why do you need to know?

 

[PillsBuryDopeBoy]

2.5 and 2.1 and why do you need to know?

Making a Project M file where every character has their best "version". Needed to know what version sonic was the best in.

 

[GunBlaze]

Making a Project M file where every character has their best "version". Needed to know what version sonic was the best in.

You want 2.1 Ike and Lucario coexist with 2.5 Sonic and 2.6 Ivysaur?!

God, if pre-alpha Wolf was available...

 

[PillsBuryDopeBoy]

You want 2.1 Ike and Lucario coexist with 2.5 Sonic and 2.6 Ivysaur?!

God, if pre-alpha Wolf was available...

lol Indeed, so far I have 2.5 bowser, 2.1 Ike and Lucario, 2.5 sonic, and 2.6 Ivysaur.

 

[Wizzrobe]

Guys im in the process of building a "best character versions" Project M file, what version was sonic the best in, 2.5?

Sonic was the best in 2.1 but he was also the best character still in 2.5

 

[GunBlaze]

Sonic was the best in 2.1 but he was also the best character still in 2.5

I believe he was far better in 2.5. 2.1 Sonic was as good IMHO

 

[Wizzrobe]

I believe he was far better in 2.5. 2.1 Sonic was as good IMHO

No one knwos how good 2.1 sonic was, the stuff u could do with his HA cancels were like the equivalent of sonic spin dash wavedash almost.

 

[GunBlaze]

No one knwos how good 2.1 sonic was, the stuff u could do with his HA cancels were like the equivalent of sonic spin dash wavedash almost.

If the Sonic Wiz speaks, my flawed argument has been demolished

 

[Neptune Shiranui]

2.1 Sonic's side-b was better than 2.5 version since it came out really fast and was cancell-able.

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

2.1 Sonic's side-b was better than 2.5 version since it came out really fast and was cancell-able.

Sonic's 2.5 Side B was slightly better because you can gimp Spacies

 

[GunBlaze]

2.1 Sonic's side-b was better than 2.5 version since it came out really fast and was cancell-able.

And then Down B came and ****ed up everybody

 

[Wizzrobe]

Sonic's 2.5 Side B was slightly better because you can gimp Spacies

thats the one thing 2.5 sonic did better with, he was better vs the spacies, but worse against everyone else compared to 2.1 sonic.

 

[Problem2]

Can Sonic footstool after he up-bs? I guess I could test it myself, but I don't want to set up Project M right now. #lazy

 

[Neptune Shiranui]

Yes he can, and he gets his up-b back too

 

[Player -0]

Yes he can, and he gets his up-b back too

Lolwhuuuuuut. Sonic + Jiggz OP.

 

[Solharath]

This just in, I'm still godawful at the Falco matchup. I feel so powerless in it. Lasers and priority for days.

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

This just in, I'm still godawful at the Falco matchup. I feel so powerless in it. Lasers and priority for days.

I can't really give you advice because I don't know what you struggle with vs Falco

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

I found out that all of Sonics aerial's can go through Pit's Arrows and Doc's/Mario's Fireballs and so on (Certain Projectiles)

 

[GabPR]

Falco is a pain if the player can use his lasers effectively. When im up against Falco pressure I prioritize getting out of it before going on the offensive. You want to avoid getting in situations in which he pins you down with laser approach and can either dair/shine you on shield or simply go for a grab. Like fox he can be chain grabbed and gimped rather easily with homing attack, sweet spot front tilt or even f-smash if he tries to go for an up b that wont sweetspot the ledge when he is offstage. (They will try to avoid using up b most of the time and go for the side b, so keep that in mind when edge guarding).

 

[alphabattack]

So I've been thinking about sonic's down b and it's repeating hitbox, and I thought that it could have some use for shield pressure. Is there any way to set this up? I wonder if it would work off of a down throw tech chase. Maybe dthrow, read the tech, then run into them and pump down b. Any ideas?

 

[shores]

yes, by god, yes it is good shield pressure. Most the people I play with on a regular basis decide it is better to just not go in shield ever, because it just turn in to a bad time. most people with shield when they feel threatened any way, so more often than not you can just approach and punish their retreat to shield by rubbing your body up against their shield. Once you start to incorporate this into your game people will be more cautious of when they enter shield so be weary of stray attacks to fend off approaches. Other than that you'll usually get more punishes of them not shielding and if they keep shielding you'll keep popping them up for aerial fallow ups when you start shield poking them. The only thing to worry about is good out of shield options like Bowsers up b. so know your match ups and realize when this is actually a good time to use this tactic.

 

[alphabattack]

Also, are there any advanced techs I should know for his side and down b's? I've heard of the spinshot, but I am a new sonic main. Lastly, If you hit the ground while in his side or down b, does it cause you to speed up? Cause I always here this woosh sound and it looks as if he goes faster. Thanks!

EDIT: Also! Can you pivot grab with Sonic's JC sideb? Thanks again!

 

[GoblinGamerKid]

Not sure how active sonic boards are, but earlier today when I was playing against a friends fox I did a pivot grab on him and noticed it made Sonics dash attack sound when I did it. (Running one way C-stick down analog other way and grab all done really fast)

So then I just started practicing it in training mode a lil bit more and I saw one of the times I was able to do the pivot grab, only it linked the startup attack from sonics dash attack into my grab and I been able to do it somewhat consistently. other times it will have sonics dash attack hit them and they get knocked too far away to grab while he still does his pivot grab animation. Just wondering if anyone knew about this or if its already known I only really started using sonic today :S

 

[Solharath]

It's old Brawl tech, it's a Dash Attack Cancel. You've probably heard of Dash Attack Cancelled Up Smash, or DACUS, and it's the same idea. The grab is just easier to do. Generally I've been putting it to use a bit more in my game as a mixup, and because I think the pivot grab has less lag? You can do a regular dash grab out of it as well.

 

[DireDrop]

Came to see if there was any new Sonic tech. Air dodge after Bair is going to be very helpful. Props to whoever figured that out.

 

[steelguttey]

EDIT: ignore

 

[KiNGMONiR]

GUYS! Come and share your thoughts. Say anything about Sonic, share random trivia, your fave move, your best Sonic moment, answer questions, or aaaaaaaaaaaaaanything:
http://www.reddit.com/r/SSBPM/comments/2a2wzb/number_34_sonic_the_lightning_fast_hedgehog/

 

[mtmaster]

So just out of curiosity any tips on countering Sonic. It seems like silly for someone who plays Sonic to ask about how to counter him, but I've never played against any other Sonic's other than my cousin, and I'm more experienced at the game than he is. Off the top of my head I know projectiles are a pain, or at least for me they are, but I know projectiles alone aren't the only means of countering Sonic. I guess I should be asking more so about counter pick characters for Sonic rather than simple tips on beating him.

 

[DireDrop]

How do you punish tether recoveries? I'm finding it impossible to keep them off the stage. They auto sweet spot (if they're in range) and if you try to ledge hog they do that little hop over you. I try punishing the hop but they always move out of range before I can get them. Any advice?

 

[mtmaster]

How do you punish tether recoveries? I'm finding it impossible to keep them off the stage. They auto sweet spot (if they're in range) and if you try to ledge hog they do that little hop over you. I try punishing the hop but they always move out of range before I can get them. Any advice?

It might not be the best advice but if you hit them before they pull themselves up (easier said than done), you can kill them that way.

 

[Solharath]

I tended to ruin Xaltis's day on stream at CEO by taking out his tether recovery with fair. I'd recommend learning to read their tendencies of when they're about to recover and tossing yourself inbetween them and the stage. If you've got a good read then Fair is good, but if you're unsure, Nair is great for putting them in a bad place.

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

I feel like Homing Attack works on punishing tether recoveries

 

[victinivcreate1]

Sonic mains! I ask you, how can I beat his spin dash? I am a wifi player, so timing attacks doesn´t always work out lol.

Specificcally, how can i differentiate between the side B and the down B?

Which move has more priority? side B or Down B?

Do these moves beat Side/Down B?
-Uncharged Shadow Ball
-Marth´s down tilt/ftilt
¨-Super Missile
-Homing Missile
-Uncharged Charge Beam
-Morph Ball Bomb
-Snake´s tilts
MK´s Dash Attack