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[ciaza]

Our Aussie server has/d a veteran that does nothing but sandbag, simply because he lives in Western Australia where they give less than a **** about anything than East Siders. (About absolutely anything btw, not just SSB). On top of that he has 7 frames delay, so when we play him he never tries to combo at all, and rather plays defensively and focuses on spacing.

I found that really helped me get better by learning that play styles and defensive manuevres are jsut as important as flashy combos. Though I would like him to try at times I have a few others on the server who have a lot more experience.

Anyway just a quick cool story with somewhat relevance .

 

[rpotts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRV3K6XJj3I

wasn't worth making a new thread for, but i regularly do searches for ssb64 sorted by most recent on youtube, and this is a new, decent combo video by Afro, who I hadn't heard of. It's got some good stuff, some basic some cool. *almost* everything is a legit combo too, training mode combos btw...

 

[DMoogle]

Our Aussie server has/d a veteran that does nothing but sandbag, simply because he lives in Western Australia where they give less than a **** about anything than East Siders. (About absolutely anything btw, not just SSB). On top of that he has 7 frames delay, so when we play him he never tries to combo at all, and rather plays defensively and focuses on spacing.

I found that really helped me get better by learning that play styles and defensive manuevres are jsut as important as flashy combos. Though I would like him to try at times I have a few others on the server who have a lot more experience.

Anyway just a quick cool story with somewhat relevance .

This sounds like the opposite of sandbagging. o.O

 

[Skrlx]

some day I will visit Australia and play smash with asianaussie and the other d00dz

 

[Lawrencelot]

Yay we moved up... no own section but I think this will help as well

 

[Mahie]

This sounds like the opposite of sandbagging. o.O

I agree, and I also agree with the fact that sandbagging and flashyness in freeplay helps improving. Repeating the same stuff over and over means you won't learn anything new.

 

[Stormcrow2]

I agree, and I also agree with the fact that sandbagging and flashyness in freeplay helps improving. Repeating the same stuff over and over means you won't learn anything new.

Agreed. x 2

 

[asianaussie]

Not playing homo and doing crazy, not-gonna-work stuff does not necessarily equate to sandbagging. It's called 'having fun'.

 

[earthadept]

sandbagging == having fun

 

[ciaza]

This sounds like the opposite of sandbagging. o.O

Well, I guess half and half really, he can combo even on that delay but he chooses not to, so you can't say he's trying to play his best, but then again he does try in other aspects of the game.

 

[DMoogle]

Actually, any time you DON'T counterpick, you're sandbagging.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Actually, any time you DON'T counterpick, you're sandbagging.

Hi my name is SilentSpectre and I don't counterpick people. Im the biggest sandbagger EVAH

 

[Fireblaster]

Hi my name is SilentSpectre and I don't counterpick people. Im the biggest sandbagger EVAH

Bad logic. SilenctSpectre counterpicks everyone with falcon.

 

[NixxxoN]

counterpicking in friendlies is simply being gay
also people should forget about the "who does better vs who" attitude
player >>> character

 

[Mahie]

counterpicking in friendlies is simply being gay
also people should forget about the "who does better vs who" attitude
player >>> character

Character > Player > Character is more accurate imo.

 

[Skrlx]

the characters matter a little but the player matters more.

Gav (pikachu/kirby/falcon) vs superboomfan (samus)

Who's gonna win? The character "advantages" he may have are so puny that they don't even seem to exist when you're playing a pro like boom

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

the characters matter a little but the player matters more.

Gav (pikachu/kirby/falcon) vs superboomfan (samus)

Who's gonna win? The character "advantages" he may have are so puny that they don't even seem to exist when you're playing a pro like boom

Certain matchups are that bad that it can effect how close a match is. If someone is good enough to at least know the matchup well, they can possibly win vs someone much better than them.

Ive won vs Kirby's before with Samus..there are worse matchups. Take a good Jigglypuff and face vs a Luigi who knows the matchup. The Jigglypuff will probably have problems.

 

[asianaussie]

Samus's matchups are surprisingly alright if the player has a good grasp of techchasing, wall combos, spacing, etc.

 

[dandan]

Samus's matchups are surprisingly alright if the player has a good grasp of techchasing, wall combos, spacing, etc.

samus is all about spacing. that is why i love playing her so much.
a good spacing samus can be dangerous, just watch jaime.

 

[DMoogle]

I hate playing a trigger happy Fox more than any other character playing any type of style by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

[The Star King]

I hate any sort of projectile spam.

I also hate defensive play with good defensive characters like Kirby/Pika.

Basically, I suck at approach, it's my biggest weakness, and I don't know how to learn... it's infuriating *rages* *cries* */ wrists*

 

[Stormcrow2]

Yeah... kirby's nair and bair and pikachu's bair have insane priority and makes certain matchups really stupid. Even with pretty good djc with ness I have an almost impossible time defeating "good" (not even pro) level kirbys on dreamland. The matchup is just stupidly hard because if kirby gets a couple bair and nair attacks to knockme off the stage, then it's a sure death because kirby can either jump into the pk thunder and then use super recovery to get back onto the stage, or use dair. Same thing with good pikachus and bair spam.

 

[DMoogle]

Ness vs. Kirby is consistently a very tough match-up.

By consistently, I mean that it's not all that high variance. Results generally aren't going to change all that much from style to style (assuming similar skill) and match to match.

 

[The Star King]

Yeah... I wish Ness had the Melee f-air, that would help with his approach problems so much.

Yay we moved up... no own section but I think this will help as well

MLG is just feeding crumbs to starving orphans to keep them quiet, my friend. Personally, I want the full course meal.

 

[firo]

I think Kirby v Ness on dreamland is not nearly as bad as v Pikachu. Kirby just isn't as quick and doesn't have the throws or quick moves to get Ness off the stage and edge guard him with ease like Pikachu can. Not to say that the matchup is easy, but Kirby is at least a little lighter and has a bit more trouble recovering which can give Ness some openings.

 

[The Star King]

Kirby vs Ness is possibly the worst matchup in the game IMO

 

[NixxxoN]

Kirby vs Ness is possibly the worst matchup in the game IMO

Explain why plz? Cuz i think there are several clearly worse matchups

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Worst matchup as in most boring, or most one-sided? If it's the most one-sided matchup, then the matchup chart needs an update.

 

[asianaussie]

I think Jiggs gets some of the worst matchups if you ask me. Fox is hell, Luigi is only slightly better, Kirby can utterly dominate and Pika has no trouble 0-deathing her.

 

[earthadept]

kirby vs. jiggs isnt bad
and jiggly has an easy time 0-deathing all the chars you mentioned, except luigi i guess

 

[Mahie]

That's when she manages to get a grab.

 

[earthadept]

oh well i meant it's easy to do them. getting that first grab or drill on the other hand...

 

[Blue Yoshi]

There are multiple moves that lead to a grab (or 0-death in general). The ones I use the most are down-air, fair, nair, uair (if I want to be fancy), utilt, sing (against someone who doesn't know how to get out of it faster)... but yeah, basically any aerial can combo into a grab (Dair and Nair are the best ones).

But yeah, Puff easily gets the worst matchups in the game.

Though I find it wierd... I like the Puff vs Fox matchup. It's one of my favourite puff matchups. It's still insane Fox advantage, but there's something about it that I like... oh well, I guess I'm just wierd

 

[ballin4life]

Grabs do not combo that well with jiggs. Grab aerial doesn't even work on pikachu above 20%

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Every character is different for puff. Pikachu, you either have to get a grab at low percent, or do a different combo. Falcon and Fox, anything works lol.

Although it is true that Grab doesn't combo into anything past 20% (**** tent excluded), that doesn't mean that Puff's grab isn't good (which it is insanely good).

But yeah... Puff doesn't need grab combos to do well (though they help a ton... depending on the character). I've combo'd characters to death without grabs... you just need to know what you're doing I guess lol

 

[StealthyGunnar]

sandbagging - intentionally losing or giving up a set in order to win big money later

so, u lose to get into the loser's brackets where u know ull own them all so u got an easy road to the grand finals

 

[DMoogle]

sandbagging - intentionally losing or giving up a set in order to win big money later

so, u lose to get into the loser's brackets where u know ull own them all so u got an easy road to the grand finals

Uhhhhhhh these must be some weird brackets, because that strategy doesn't make any sense at all with the brackets that I've seen everyone been using.

And losing intentionally in side games for low stakes to convince your opponent to up the stakes, then pulling out the "big guns" is straight up hustling, and totally unethical.

 

[ballin4life]

I'm pretty sure that's the original definition of sandbagging

 

[The Star King]

Wow I meant Pika vs Ness in that a bit back wow

 

[Frogles]

either way you're right. kirby vs ness is just as bad as pika vs ness.