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[DMoogle]

Can't decide whether to root for the GIants or the Patriots. The patriots win too much, but they're so patriotic...

I bet A$ is sad that Green Bay didn't make it =p

ICWUDT. I get it all the time.

 

[ballin4life]

i dont see what you did there

 

[Vinylic.]

nature sucks

especially when it's cold, windy, and covered in slush

I would like to have your life as I specifically love that kind of nature.

 

[Olikus]

man jiggs nair is soo good. pivot ->nair beats like allmost every approach attemp.

 

[The Star King]

so i'm staying up late tonight to watch Federer vs Nadal. should be FUN

I haven't watched tennis in a while and I used to watch a ton. Maybe I should start catching up ;P

 

[Olikus]

I haven't watched tennis in a while and I used to watch a ton. Maybe I should start catching up ;P

same goes with me. I followed nikolay davydenko for a while. Really cool playstyle, and allways just being a tad behind nadal and federer. Two last years his been much worse for some reason, maybe the age is catching up on him. SO havent watches too much lately. Guess I need a new favourite to follow. Gael Monfils pretty cool.

 

[Battlecow]

So, I was playing sheer today, and I was feeling pretty good because I was winning and stuff

and after a while, he asks me why I never try any non-standard falcon combos (I have a really stolid playstyle, I actually thought that I was playing pretty flashy for me with random up-B's and pivot-grabs and nairing out of fthrow even though sheer doesn't DI out of fairs, which will show you how low I set the bar for "creative" play). He wasn't mad, he was just curious. Anyways, I told him that I was more interested in winning than in being cool, and that I used whatever was dependable.

King Funk is prone to saying the same things, but I'm interested to know- is being flashy important to improvement? Let's say that I'm concentrating on my spacing, I'm trying to figure out the best way to avoid this, that, and the third, I'm paying close attention to every aspect of my game, but every time I get a grab I use the quickest and dirtiest route to the kill--will this impede my progress? Good players are generally flashy, but I'm not sure about the cause and effect there.

 

[ballin4life]

davydenko is busying throwing matches for the russian mafia

 

[asianaussie]

learning flashy stuff is one of the best ways to familiarise yourself with a lot of your character's little nuances

moreso in traditional fighters than smash, but still

also you'll get called boring

boringcow

 

[ballin4life]

flashy stuff is useful occasionally. with falcon there are certainly times I kill someone with a "flashier" combo when uairs -> upB would not have killed

 

[asianaussie]

yeah, tipper u-air is an especially useful ender and low-percent edgeguard, as is pivot off edge > aerial

idk if those are *flashy* though

some flashy stuff like pivot reverse d-tilt (i have edgeguarded with this before) is dumb though

 

[SSBPete]

being flashy can improve your control with the character i.e. tech skill

sometimes when an up-b wont ko an opponent, a falcon punch or slightly more flashy ending will suffice

i dont know how true this is, but i've always thought that being super flashy can actually intimidate your opponents too

 

[Battlecow]

Yeah, I'm not talking about when it's more effective. I can do uair-pawnches and stuff (I mess them up sometimes but that's obviously a problem and it's the kind of thing I'll have down pat soon). But honestly, on dreamland against fox/falcon, it's pretty rare that some fancy thang (really fancy, not like pivot off aerial or tipper uair [LOL notflashy]) would get you the kill. People just feel bad about fthrow-dair.

There might be some merit in the control hypothesis, though, and there's definitely merit in the boringcow hypothesis.

 

[asianaussie]

if it makes you feel better, i feel perfectly fine being f-throw d-aired if the opponent taunts after

moreso if i just beat them on hyrule

rushdown, of course

 

[The Star King]

flashy stuff is useful occasionally. with falcon there are certainly times I kill someone with a "flashier" combo when uairs -> upB would not have killed

I think he mostly meant impractical. If it killed when something standard wouldn't then it was practical even if it was flashy. I'm basing this assumption off him contrasting flashiness with "going for the quickest and dirtiest route to a kill".

It's hard to say, but I'm leaning towards no. Going for jab -> shinejab -> upsmash when just jab -> upsmash would have killed isn't going to help much. I definitely don't think you should do the same stuff over and over, though - you should try to search for better options. i.e. a ton of people in this community would Fox dtilt/utilt -> dair, but I thought this was dumb after replacing the dair with an uair and finding it way better. I guess what I'm saying is don't accept community standard as the best option.

I try to play flashy because I find it fun, not because I thought I would improve from it.

BTW I think it's funny that Sheer called you out for that when he's pretty stagnant himself (or at least his Fox is) IMO.

 

[asianaussie]

being flashy with falcon still takes less actual techskill than being stagnant and boring with fox

 

[ballin4life]

what i meant was that practicing flashy stuff when it isn't necessary will allow you to do it in those few cases when it is actually helpful

 

[clubbadubba]

^^ wut ballin said. And this is coming from least flashiest playerest ever.

That being said I enjoy standard comboing my opponent every time and/or gimping them, so I'll do it and enjoy it when I can cuz in the end its all about how much fun I'm having

 

[DMoogle]

i dont see what you did there

My legal name is Aaron Rogers, believe it or not.

EDIT: Battlecow knows because I had to send him $100 via Paypal for Superboom's Apex win.

 

[KnitePhox]

Superboom's Apex win.

so i guess everyone outside of the 64 community says "Superboom" seems weird cuz its been boom around these parts afaik...???

lol

 

[TANK64]

practicing flashy stuff when it isn't necessary will allow you to do it in those few cases when it is actually helpful

^^It all comes down to this sentence.

Also, things like consistence edge canceling, or other "flashy" movement that many not be necessary (or even hurt your gameplay while you start it implement it) will end up helping control your char so much better; it will improve you gameplay in the longrun and contribute to your spacing.

That's why I think that isn't not a coincidence that the very top players are often so technical. To be the very best you have to know everything about you char (all the chars?), and every nook and cranny about this game- have every option. They all had to practice those seemingly random rare "flashy" things at some point to learn them.

Tavo flashy may not be necessary (as he's obviously already mastered his techskill), but other top players I think just see more options and can execute them.

also what StarKing said about not always accepting community standard as best is so true. (and anything that isn't community standard might be viewed as "flashy" ehh?)

Hope that addresses your question Battlecow.

 

[DMoogle]

so i guess everyone outside of the 64 community says "Superboom" seems weird cuz its been boom around these parts afaik...???

lol

Um, I'm in the 64 community AFAIK. I say Boom sometimes too, I just like to mix it up I guess.

 

[SheerMadness]

what i meant was that practicing flashy stuff when it isn't necessary will allow you to do it in those few cases when it is actually helpful

Great quote.

Look at Tavo's Falcon on hyrule. He's really flashy AND most of his combos end in death.

Upsmash upair falcons don't have anywhere near the success Tavo has on hyrule. All his "flashyness" and experimentation has resulted in timing and move knowledge normal falcons* don't have, which leads to much greater success in comboing.

So yes, IMO, being flashy is an essential step in improving.

EDIT: Isai is another great example. He simply has much greater move and timing knowledge than everyone else which results in much higher death combo success rate.

 

[cheeseball341]

Learning techskill with fox helped me implement more sophisticated movemnt. Which in turn helped me with "spacing".

I dunno if falcons like that though.

 

[ballin4life]

My legal name is Aaron Rogers, believe it or not.

EDIT: Battlecow knows because I had to send him $100 via Paypal for Superboom's Apex win.

eh no 'd' tho

 

[Battlecow]

You guys are probably right

I should do cooler things

guess I'll bring the ol' 64 home this weekend and try out random **** in training mode

 

[malva00]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bsxMrffXKU&

3:17 XD

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You know you're getting better when you're constantly fast falling everything.

 

[M!nt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bsxMrffXKU&

3:17 XD

lol D. Falcon's a pretty cool guy.

 

[clubbadubba]

o hey guys wutsup

 

[jimmyjoe]

Ahahaha
10laughsies

 

[KnitePhox]

LOL

1000 LOLs

 

[clubbadubba]

Sooo my internet is not reliable enough to play online for any period of time. Looks like i'ma have to rough it on console for a while

 

[Olikus]

Sooo my internet is not reliable enough to play online for any period of time. Looks like i'ma have to rough it on console for a while

Join the club!

 

[King Funk]

Console is cool, but I'm really proud of all that I learned purely from online play. I hope more online players like me show up at events like Apex because playing on console for the first time is such a great experience.

 

[The Star King]

I'm getting 3rd at the next Apex BTW

Spoiler

I'm probably going to regret posting this.

 

[ballin4life]

cool livestream forum bros

still no competitive events = WTF though

 

[DMoogle]

cool livestream forum bros

still no competitive events = WTF though

I had no idea this was coming. I honestly don't have a clue as to how decisions are made on this website, and can't seem to find out either.

So much for being a representative...

 

[Dext3rM.]

Console is cool, but I'm really proud of all that I learned purely from online play. I hope more online players like me show up at events like Apex because playing on console for the first time is such a great experience.

agree i proudly learned all online in a lot of frames hope to go to the next apex, would be fun !!

 

[Olikus]

did the livestream section dissapear allready? You must be sherlock holmes to find all 64 sections O__O

why cant all be at one place?