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AndreaAC

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Dude this is radical!

I gotta learn to draw like this
xD Hehe, Thanks a whole bunch, Noi! Glad you like it!

:o Oh, but you already draw amazingly, and on top of that, with a unique style! :3
 

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78 Day Theory conflicts me. The only way it makes sense is if we consider meteorological fall starting September 1st, which would support Banjo's release afterward. Otherwise, autumn 2019 starts on the 23rd of September, so that wouldn't line up.
It wouldn't be the first time they gave a broad statement. The final Smash 4 DLC and Pirahna Plant were given a window of sometime in February, with us always assuming later in the month (due to statements like "we're hoping for this timeframe" which didn't sound reassuring).

Corrin/Bayo were the first week of February, while Pirahna Plant was a few days before February even started.


Three mods? One of them being Red Ryu?

Yall in trouble, now. ÒwÓ
There are always more hiding in plain sight. You'd be amazed how many invisible users there are just about anywhere at any given time.
 

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I think another thing to discuss while talking about Pokemon is that we all tend to look back at our favorite gens with rose-tinted glasses.

I love Black and White, but I do think it's kind of funny that we're all praising those games while complaining that Sword/Shield probably won't have post-game content or break the formula much. Not to say that Sword/Shield's criticisms are unfounded.

In fact, once you got past all the whining and genwunning about the designs, a big criticism with Black/White back in the day was that they were still formulaic. It fixed the climax problem of previous games by combining the story climax with the Champion Battle, but it still followed the "collect 8 gym badges then go fight the champion" structure that's been around since Gen 1. Post game content was really lacking to. You had the Black City / White Forest I guess, but that was a far cry from the Battle Frontier.

It just kind of seems strange to me that we're treating those games like groundbreaking masterpieces these days. That's certainly not how people saw them at the time of their release.
 
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Cosmic77 Cosmic77 :3 I think it's done! I had to rush things up because I will be having a trip later in the day! :D I am honestly proud of how Zacian came out! (I might release the PNG of this pic later).
ngl, this pic make me want this dog Pokemon over Lycanroc.

It's that good.
Three mods? One of them being Red Ryu?

Yall in trouble, now. ÒwÓ
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I think another thing to discuss while talking about Pokemon is that we all tend to look back at our favorite gens with rose-colored glasses.

I love Black and White, but I do think it's kind of funny that we're all praising those games while complaining that Sword/Shield probably won't have post-game content or break the formula much. Not to say that Sword/Shield's criticisms are unfounded.

In fact, once you got past all the whining and genwunning about the designs, a big criticism with Black/White back in the day was that they were still formulaic. It fixed the climax problem of previous games by combining the story climax with the Champion Battle, but it still followed the "collect 8 gym badges then go fight the champion" structure that's been around since Gen 1. Post game content was really lacking to. You had the Black City / White Forest I guess, but that was a far cry from the Battle Frontier.

It just kind of seems strange to me that we're treating those games like groundbreaking masterpieces these days. That's certainly not how people saw them at the time of their release.
yeah, Gen 5 was great but it definitely didn't do anything particularly new other than a greater focus on story. S/M has the most innovation the franchise has had in years and I'm surprised it doesn't get as much attention for it.
 

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It wouldn't be the first time they gave a broad statement. The final Smash 4 DLC and Pirahna Plant were given a window of sometime in February, with us always assuming later in the month (due to statements like "we're hoping for this timeframe" which didn't sound reassuring).

Corrin/Bayo were the first week of February, while Pirahna Plant was a few days before February even started.



There are always more hiding in plain sight. You'd be amazed how many invisible users there are just about anywhere at any given time.
Oh. I still predict mid-July for it happening, but Nintendo usually come out of nowhere with their announcements, so anything is possible.

Tfw you thought Mods couldn't go ninja but then you learn that they can.

Well. Im... gonna just leave that alone right there.
But a lot of people here do that...
 
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There are always more hiding in plain sight. You'd be amazed how many invisible users there are just about anywhere at any given time.
revealing that there are secret police suddenly drops my trust :nifty: show yourselves, cowards
 

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No "it" option in the pool? How are we supposed to push the responsibility on insentient objects?
 

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The Pokémon series is going through a major shift, so is the fanbase.

I try not to comment on the national dex controversy anymore, it always ends up in arguments and no one’s willing to listen to my points. But I’ve been thinking about this for a while and I thought I’d get it all out in one big ol Poke-post.

While I kinda speak pretty objectively here, these are all still my opinions. It’s cool if you disagree.
Do I even have to say what’s going on with the Pokémon community right now?

After the incredibly controversial Nintendo treehouse presentation where we learned not every Pokémon would be in the new games the fanbase has been going insane. Memes about smuggling Pokémon into Galar and N64 trees and hovering Wingulls. And most of all, constant #Bringbackthenationaldex posts. And after Masuda’s recent message (which was basically “no lol”) it’s gotten even worse. Suddenly Sword and Shield are games birthed from Satan’s butthole, and if you like them you’re a baby eater who should be burned alive!

...Okay that’s an exaggeration. But it certainly seems like that sometimes.

But this sudden shift in tone wasn’t completely random, the national dex was simply the straw that broke the Camerupts back.

Let’s take it back to almost a decade ago. 2010.

Pokémon Black and White came out, to...mixed reactions. Some praised it as one of the best Pokémon experiences yet! Others raked it over the coals for daring to be a Pokémon game without Pikachu and Charizard! Gamefreak wanted gen 5 to be a bit of a soft reboot, so for the first time since gen 1 the only Pokémon available during the main story are the new ones. At the time, people hated this. And while most agree this game was pretty cool now, back in the day you’d think it was spawned from Cthulhu’s urethra. “A garbage Pokémon? An ice cream Pokémon?? These games are ****! Where’s Mewtwo?” It’s all you seemed to hear about these games. Nothing about the cool story, or the fun characters, or the bad *** that is Hydreigon. All people seemed to care about was the ice cream Pokémon and how it replaced Eevee. I’m pretty sure the modern idea of a genwunner was spawned in this era of the series.

Masuda (who is now seen as an evil Thanos monster for snapping away everyone’s Pokémon, but in 2010 he was the guy responsible for black and white) had to have taken this hard. He poured his heart and soul into these games, he’d do interviews and write on his blog and just go on and on about his ideas and how excited he was. And I’d say his work payed off! But no one was focused on that. All that mattered was Trubbish. If I spent years of my life on my magnum opus and people only payed attention to one aspect that isn’t a big deal in the first place, I’d be devastated. Now I can’t say for sure, but I think this is where some of the modern problems of Pokémon came from. But we’ll get back to that.

Flash forward to 2013. Pokémon X and Y are not only the newest generation of Pokémon games set to release in October, but they’re in the THIRD DIMENSION! That’s right, the game’s have jumped from the DS to the 3DS and are now in 3D! I still remember how I felt seeing a 3D main series Pokémon game for the first time. It was really something special. Now throughout these games hype season expectations were sky-high. Black and White 2 were amazing, and we all expected these games to follow that trend. But upon the game’s release we realized that wasn’t quite the case. Don’t get me wrong, the games were fine. But they were just that, fine. They were decent enough, serviceable, run of the mill Pokémon games. The last pair of games were amazing, these were okay. That’s not what I was expecting.

These games felt rushed. The story was virtually non existent for the first half of the game, then clumsily shoved in your face during the second half. The box legends of the games did nothing substantial in the story except for being captured off screen by Team Flare (Speaking of Team Flare, their the worst team in the whole series). It just felt incomplete, like there was more to be done here. Were these problems fixed in the Z version?

No. There was no Z version.

X and Y were also very affected by the black and white backlash. In Unova there were no past generation Pokémon. In Kalos there’s nothing but past gen Pokémon! You like Hoppip? There it is! Poochyena fan? He’s right over there! You like Stunfisk? No you don’t. No one likes Stunfisk. But he’s here anyway. Sure there are 70 new Pokémon, but who cares about new Pokémon? All the oldies are here! You never have to worry about a Unova situation again!

But most of all, more than any other region. There. Was. Kanto. The regional dex? Pumped full of Kanto. You like the Kanto starters, here ya go, we’re just giving them away! That fancy new mega evolution gimmick? The majority are from Kanto. Charizard and Mewtwo got two megas. Because they’re from Kanto, and that makes them perfect. Gamefreak clearly saw people on Facebook were pissed that Zubat wasn’t in Unova, so they made sure they never left Kanto out again. Stroking that Kanto nostalgia boner 24/7. We’re still feeling the ramifications of this to this day.

X and Y were deeply impacted by fan backlash. They were a turning point for this series, but not the ultimate turning point. That comes later.

One year later, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire released. The culmination of fan demand that rivals the cries for Ridley in smash, Hoenn was finally confirmed and by that November we had the games in our greedy paws. These games, while feeling more complete than X and Y before it, still suffered from some of the same problems. Namely lack of difficulty and barren post game content. Which was made worse by the teasing of the battle frontier. Why put in a reference to the battle frontier if you never intended to implement it!?

Well the answers simple. Masuda, now a changed man from the Black and White backlash, seems to think that mobile games are the future. According to him, in this modern world where kids have so many entertainment options in the palm of their hand, why would they feel compelled to waste their time in a post game facility? They’ll play the story and be done with it, so what’s the point of adding anything after the story? Ignore the millions of older fans who would love post game features, they don’t matter. We all laughed at his ideas on mobile games, but little did we know his opinion would be validated in just a few years.

Both X and Y and ORAS had a plethora of issues. But we excused them by saying things like “it’s their first 3D game, give em a break” “they had to make hundreds of models, so they had less dev time” and other similar sayings. We always made excuses for Gamefreak.

In 2015 there was nothing. We were all positive there would be a Z version to fix up X and Y, but there was no such thing. During Pokémon’s year long absence Yokai-Watch got pretty big with Japanese children, Gamefreak’s target audience. And even though Pokémon is so big absolutely nothing could destroy it, I still believe Gamefreak got a little shook.

2016 was an absolutely huge year for Pokémon. But not for the reasons you may think. Before we get to that, let’s dive into the main topic. For their 20th anniversary Gamefreak launched the 7th generation of the series. Taking place in the bright and sunny alola region, Pokémon Sun and Moon enter the ring!

These games were a vast improvement on X and Y. Everything they did Gen 7 did better. Better story, better evil team, better music, better characters, harder difficulty (okay it was still easy but it was slightly more difficult) it was definitely a step up. And yet, their were still problems.

While I personally enjoyed the story of Lillie and her family drama, I agree with the sentiment that it was way too intrusive. You couldn’t walk five steps without somebody stopping you. And these cutscenes weren’t exactly well animated. Tell me if this sounds familiar.

Fade in. Hau takes three steps, stops, turns, takes three more steps towards you. “Hey main character! I sure do love malasada! Here’s some revives!” Hau then walks three steps, stops, turns, and walks three more steps off screen. Fade to black.

That’s it. That’s every cutscene with every character. Aside from the few pre rendered ones which actually look pretty good, this is what you’re doing for most of the game. If you like these characters like I do, it may not be so bad. But if you hate these guys the experience is probably excruciating. Not to mention your character has the exact same reaction to everything. You just got a Z Crystal? :). Team Skull kidnapped a Pokémon! :). Lusamine’s about to destroy the world with her alien fetish! :). The player characters actually seem to emote in Sword and Shield, so that’s a plus. Alola also lacked meaningful post game content, and while it was more difficult than X and Y it was still piss easy.

So while Sun and Moon were most certainly a step up in every way from the games before it, they still weren’t amazing. The hype for sun and Moon was incredible, we were whipped up in such a frenzy we nearly lost our minds. Every new trailer, every new theory or leak, every new Pokémon got us even more excited. And we swore the line used in the first trailer “It all comes together!” meant this game was gonna be the ultimate Pokémon game. So when it was just another Pokémon game, we were pretty disappointed. Well I wasn’t, but others were. In the end Pokémon Sun and Moon were fun. And while that’s all I need, others not so much. But Sun and Moon weren’t the only Pokémon games released that year.

What if Pokémon were in real life? Okay not actually in real life, but on your phone? That’s right, it’s time to talk about POKÉMON GO! The game that saved/killed the series!

I wasn’t alive for the original pokemania. The cultural phenomenon that hit the world in the late 90s when Pokémon first got big. The all encompassing excitement for these pocket monsters that was shared by everyone, from the school playground to the workplace. But I imagine it was similar to the summer of Pokémon Go. It was insane, everyone was doing it. And I do mean everyone. With normal Pokémon games you needed the game and a Nintendo console. With Pokémon Go all you needed was a phone. And everyone has a phone! That means everyone could get in on this trend, and it certainly felt like it. My mom was into it! I don’t think my mom has ever played a video game in her life, that’s crazy!

And yet, as much fun as we were having, little did we know what was happening behind the scenes. Masuda (The evil goblin monkey responsible for killing all your Pokémon) had felt that mobile games were stealing away all the kiddies for a while now. And Pokémon Go’s success sealed the deal. He now had real evidence that mobile was the way to go. A huge chunk of the Pokémon series’ total revenue earned in their entire existence was from Pokémon Go. That’s a big deal, and Masuda knew. He was probably saying a lot of “Told ya so”s back at Gamefreak HQ.

After winning back the hearts of children from Yokai Watch, Pokémon was at the top again and Gamefreak knew what they had to do. Kids and casual players are the big money makers, they’re the ones we need to market to.

Cue 2017, where everyone’s dreams of Gen 4 remakes were dashed by the reveal of Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon. That’s right, if you enjoyed Pokémon Sun and Moon you can now enjoy it again with very little changed!

...why?

These games sparked a truckload of questions. Why do they exist? Why aren’t they DP remakes? Why aren’t they Pokémon Stars? And most surprisingly, Why aren’t they on the Switch.

Nintendo’s newest hybrid console was doing amazing. After launching with Zelda’s newest legendary title and with the promise of a new Splatoon and a new 3D Mario in the way, They were on top of the world. Especially after the failure that was the Wii U, this was great to see.

Seeing as how this console was a hybrid between a home console and a handheld, many were wondering if Pokémon, one of Nintendo’s premier handheld series, would make the jump. And by wondering, I mean screaming. And in an almost sad attempt to make up for the mostly confused reactions to USUM, Gamefreak Confirmed that the next Pokémon games would be on the Nintendo Switch. Much to the fans joy!

We put up with the Ultra games for the whole of 2017. We put up with how they were the same damn games as before with an even worse story. We put up with the slightly improved but still not great post game. We put up with Mantine Surf and Alola Photo Club. We actually enjoyed the new Ultra Beasts and the Ultra Necrozma fight, they were pretty cool. We put up with everything, because we knew they games we truly wanted were coming.

Well...they weren’t coming yet.

We arrived in 2018 on a rainbow of hope. For the first five months of the year we would filled with dreams of the next generation! The first home console generation! Sure there was a dumb rumor that said the next games were Kanto remakes that incorporated Pokémon Go mechanics, but that’s stupid! They would never do that!

...right?

May 30th 2018 was a terrible day. I woke up with a crappy song stuck in my head, I saw a boring Star Wars spin off, I came home with a splitting head ache, I felt terrible, and to top it all off. To end this terrible day. The Pokémon game i’ve been waiting for...wasn’t coming this year.

Instead we got LET’S GO PIKACHU & LET’S GO EEVEE. Kanto remakes that borrow elements from Pokémon Go and are all around super casual!

...yay?

Needless to say this is not what I wanted. The fanbase wasn’t having that much fun either. Motion controls? In my Pokémon games? Blasphemy! How could this be the big Pokémon Switch game? Well it wasn’t, the big switch game was coming in 2019. This was just something to cash in on the sweet, sweet casual market in the meantime.

You see, Pokémon Go was a huge hit. And one of the reasons it was a huge hit was because at first, it was only Kanto Pokémon. Whether you like it or not Kanto is the most recognizable region of Pokémon. If you walk up to some random guy on the street and say “name one Pokémon that isn’t Pikachu” they’ll probably say someone from Kanto. So to have only the Pokémon everyone recognized in an app everyone could play, it really brought in the casuals. These guys weren’t epic gamers, these guys were your parents and your nieces and nephews. So they decided to make a game for these dorks. Get some casual cash, and maybe get them to buy the next game.

And don’t get me wrong there’s nothing wrong with casual gamers. I think it’s wonderful that video games are reaching more people than ever before. I’m just not that big a fan of mobile game mechanics in my home console games. That’s just me.

Every time someone aired a grievance or concern about these games they’d get the same response. “These games aren’t for you. Wait until next year” as if the games were immune to criticism. Another example of fans waving away problems with the games because the big one was coming later.

Throughout 2017 and 2018 we powered through These games, because the game we wanted was coming next.

When LGPE released and I played it, it became apparent to me that it was not worth the uproar. These games were fine, if a little boring and safe for my tastes in Pokémon. It didn’t matter either way though, because the games I really wanted were on their way! At least I had Smash to keep me occupied until then.

We rode into 2019 on an even bigger rainbow of hope than before, knowing for sure that this was the year! This was the year our dreams came true!

February 26th 2019 was an amazing day. I woke up early in the morning, too early actually. I spent the hours by watching it’s always sunny and Brooklyn 99, until it was finally time. I rushed downstairs to grab my favorite flavor of ice cream vanilla chocolate chip, I turned on that Pokémon direct. And I watched in complete awe as I was shown my next Pokémon adventure. POKÉMON SWORD & SHIELD! I chose my starter (which would change eventually but that’s another story) I chose my version (Sword, baybee) and I got ready for November!

Finally, after two years of games I didn’t want. This game is for me! This game is exactly what I needed! And honestly I still feel that way, even after everything that’s happened.

After months of no news and an awesome Pokémon direct, every seemed to be in place for these games to be amazing!

And then disaster struck.

I don’t need to give you another recap, point is now everyone hates this game and I’m dumb bad dumb baby bad bad for liking it.

Right now I’m gonna break this game down into what I feel are the major goods and bads. It sounds simple but trust me, it gets complicated.

Let’s start with the one that’ll get me the most upvotes on r/ Pokémon. THE BAD:

The graphics: While I don’t think they look quite as bad as people make them out to be, they are pretty underwhelming. The Pokémon models new shading looks really great imo, but the overworld textures leave...a lot to be desired.

The animations: The Pokemon animations as they are right now are serviceable. Yes, even double kick. Do you really expect them to animate a four minute action sequence for 600 different Pokémon for a base negative twenty power move? However, the day I stopped giving the animations a pass is when they said they cut Pokémon for better animations.
...Are you kidding me? We’ve got Wingull hovering like drones and you cut precious Qwilfish for this???
This uh...this ain’t it chief.

More Kanto pandering: The champion of the region has a Goddamn Charizard. Unless there’s a secret new gimmick and Charizard gets a new form, that’s bull ****. Cut it out.

Dynamax: Pokemon get beeg. I admit there could be more to this, and I’m interested in seeing more, but as of right now that’s it.

The lack of national dex support: Yeah, this is really dumb. Unless there’s something in this game that was so incredibly crazy they just had to cut out Pokémon so this game could function, there is no real reason to not allow certain Pokémon to be transferred. And they’re not even gonna patch em in later? They’re just gonna rot in Pokémon Home until I get lucky with the next games? Come on guys...

And here comes the part that’ll get me crucified. We all know that saying anything good about Pokémon Sword and Shield is illegal, so after this I’m gonna hafta go on the run. Get those torches and pitchforks out, start the angry mob and get ready to lynch me, cuz here comes THE GOOD:

The graphics: Told ya it’d be complicated. Compared to other games on the market these games aren’t exactly graphical triumphs. But compared to other Pokémon games they’re beautiful! Especially the models. I know they’re reused but that shading man! It gets me. Maybe I have low standards but I think this game looks great.

The animations: I told ya it’d be complicated. Why didn’t you believe me? The character animations have been greatly improved in my opinion. Look at Sonia twirling her hair, look at Nessa waving at the crowd, look at Hop and Leon. Even your character emotes this time. Everyone is bursting with personality!

The Pokémon: I love these guys, one of the reasons I play Pokémon is for new monsters. I don’t even care about the old ones if I get great new ones. And these guys do not disappoint. Sobble, Scorbunny, Grookey, Corviknight, Yamper, Wooloo, even Impidimp! I adore all these babies and I cant wait to train them!

The Characters: I am very, very interested in the story this time around. Maybe it’s because the character design is so strong. How will Hop and his brother Leon interact? Is Leon actually the villain? Who are the evil team? How will the legendaries play into this? It makes me so excited!

Dynamax: There’s more to this feature that meets the eye. It’s a combination of Z Moves and Megas, it makes your Pokémon Kaijus for a time, and if leaks are to be believed this feature hides secrets. Secrets that I can’t wait to discover.

The Wild Area: I love this. I love this so much. An open world area in a Pokémon game? Hell yeah! I can’t wait to just spend hours wandering around this place. Gamefreak makes very, very slow improvements over time. And I fully believe this is the first step to a fully open world Pokémon game...in like, 12 years.

Max Raids: Teaming up with your friends to take on giant Pokémon roaming the world. That’s rad.

The music: We haven’t heard much, but from what we’ve heard I think this soundtrack is gonna be incredible. Gym leaders get their own unique battle theme, that’s awesome!

The little things: When I play Pokémon I self insert. It’s a fantasy I get to live out where my life isn’t ****, I’m a trainer in an amazing world! And the little touches add to that fantasy. In gym battles, the crowd cheers when you knock out a Pokémon. And they sing along to the gym battle music! There’s even a little animation of you and your Pokémon celebrating after you beat a gym leader! And the gym leaders talk smack while you’re battling! And it’s all just so good!!!

Look. These games definitely have problems. Big problems. Problems that make the game unplayable to some people, and that’s okay.

But I really hate when people act like there’s absolutely positively zero redeeming qualities in this game. And I hate it even more when people act like the folks who do see redeeming qualities in this game are nothing but gamefreak bootlickers. Like it’s impossible to see anything fun in this game. Like they refuse to acknowledge that there is good in this game. You think it’s ****, therefore everyone must be and if they don’t they’re the product of nosferatu snorting coke while pregnant.

On the flip side, not everyone who’s upset is a toxic, mindless rage monster. There are legit issues with these games and they deserve to be criticized.

I just wish the fanbase would stop attacking each other, y’know? But this is the Internet, that ain’t happening any time soon.

The Pokémon fanbase, and the series as a whole is about to undergo a metamorphosis. An evolution, if you will.

After years and years of making excuses for the games by saying “the big one is coming next”, the big one has finally come and a ton of folks aren’t satisfied. This national dex policy change has upset many, and a lot of them straight up won’t buy the game. But for every person leaving the fanbase ten more come in. Boycotts probably won’t work, this game is gonna well amazingly regardless. At most it’ll sell 15 million instead of 15 million and one. Gamefreak is gonna get off Scott free with this. Maybe they’ll listen, and for gen 9 they’ll have a big everyone is here moment where they reveal every Pokémon is transferable. It’d be nice, but I don’t think so. They clearly don’t like this decision, but they’re sticking to their guns and in the end their sales won’t be impacted enough to make them care.

If this change really is permanent, I believe the fanbase will adapt. They’ll be mad for years, but you can’t be mad forever. Everyone that wants to leave will have left, and the fanbase will consist of those who don’t really care about the change and those who came in after the change. The Pokémon series will continue, it’ll probably be doing even better than it’s doing now, but it won’t be the same. Unless someone on the inside changes their mind, the era of having every Pokémon in one game is over.

Gamefreak has stated that their current priority is TOWN. Yeah, that game no one cares about. Why would they not prioritize the next big Pokémon game? Well, I don’t think Gamefreak dislikes making Pokémon games. But I think they want to be known for more. I think if you do the same thing for decades, even if you still love doing that thing, it’s natural to want to stretch your creative wings and try something different.

The problem comes from the fact that Gamefreak simply doesn’t have enough time.

They were juggling Ultra Sun and Moon, Let’s Go, TOWN, and Sword and Shield at the same time. And for a small studio that is a lot of manpower split between different projects. So why don’t they hire more people? They simply don’t want to.

Yeah, that’s stupid.

They like being a small studio, yet they want to develop tons of things at once. Why don’t they get another studio to help? They simply don’t want to.

Once again, that’s stupid.

But that’s how it is. You can try and make your voices heard but if this is how they wanna run things you can’t change anything. The games won’t be delayed, the anime and merchandise depend on the game releasing at a certain time. I still think patches are the way to go, but I don’t think they’ll go for it. Pokémon is too big and too many people just don’t care for it too fail. I’m not saying don’t criticize, do that all you want, but I don’t think it’ll amount to anything. Or maybe I’m just a Debbie downer, who knows.

Personally, in my eyes the pros of Sword and Shield outweigh the cons. I’m gonna buy it, and I’m gonna have the time of my life. For you, that may not be so. And that’s also okay. There’s no need to fight about this, y’know?

I hope Gamefreak expands their work force, or has another studio help one day. If they want a million projects then fine, but you have to have the recourses or it’s not gonna work out the way you want it. We could get truly amazing Pokémon games, games worthy of the title “biggest multimedia franchise on earth”, but they have to try harder. They have to expand their workforce and they have to really step it up. I believe it’ll happen one day, we’ll see.

In conclusion, be kind to each other. Things are about to get weird in this series and tearing each other apart isn’t gonna make things any better. If you’re buying the game, then have fun! I hope to play with you come November. If you’re not buying the game, then you do you. It’s not like I can stop you.

Attacking other internet people really doesn’t get you anywhere, so cut it out. That goes for both sides.


TLDR: I spent hours on this, I’m not letting you off the hook that easy. Scroll back up and read. Thanks.


If you’ve read up to here, then thank you. This isn’t really meant to be a message, I’m just rambling. Wanted to get this off my chest. I have no clue what the future holds for Pokémon. I have hope that it’ll get better, but I’m not psychic. We really just gotta wait and see. But whatever it is, I’m in for the long haul. This is my favorite series period, it’s one of the defining aspects of me as a human being. I can’t just abandon it, wherever this ride takes me I’m going.

So uh, yeah. Thanks for reading. Have a lovely day!

Bye!
Here is my take on this whole situation.

I’m in the backlash to the backlash camp right now. I get why people are not happy with the changes, and they have a right to be unhappy with it.

But the constant memes and bashing is getting annoying at this point where I kind of want to preorder it out of spite. Mostly since some responses to me saying I was ok with saying I was making Pokémon worse or supporting bad business practices. Because i’m not really angry over no national dex? Like I catch what I can in each game and until bank happened. I never transferred anything in newer games outside of 3rd to 4th gen.

I think the game looks fine because I value artist design over graphics. I hate the comparisons to stadium, stadium only had battles/mini games and nothing as larger scope as the newer titles. The battles are more animated but in stadiums not so much elsewhere with a limited movepool and Pokémon. Yes they can improve more but I am fine with it as is.

I get the complaints I get why people are mad, tbh I was disliking let’s go more than any main title game outside of maybe original ruby sapphire. But man I just am sick of the complaining at this point because it never lets up. At least with battlefield 5 and fallout 76 there was something new to it on every and a while, sword and shield is just going in circles with the memes and complaining.

I’m gonna get the game one way or another. People have a right to be mad but over the past month it never has let up.
 
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yeah, Gen 5 was great but it definitely didn't do anything particularly new other than a greater focus on story. S/M has the most innovation the franchise has had in years and I'm surprised it doesn't get as much attention for it.
It seems like Pokemon fans are really bad at appreciating their games before they age.

revealing that there are secret police suddenly drops my trust :nifty: show yourselves, cowards
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I think another thing to discuss while talking about Pokemon is that we all tend to look back at our favorite gens with rose-colored glasses.

I love Black and White, but I do think it's kind of funny that we're all praising those games while complaining that Sword/Shield probably won't have post-game content or break the formula much. Not to say that Sword/Shield's criticisms are unfounded.

In fact, once you got past all the whining and genwunning about the designs, a big criticism with Black/White back in the day was that they were still formulaic. It fixed the climax problem of previous games by combining the story climax with the Champion Battle, but it still followed the "collect 8 gym badges then go fight the champion" structure that's been around since Gen 1. Post game content was really lacking to. You had the Black City / White Forest I guess, but that was a far cry from the Battle Frontier.

It just kind of seems strange to me that we're treating those games like groundbreaking masterpieces these days. That's certainly not how people saw them at the time of their release.
Black/White had an entire section of Unova walled off until the postgame, filled with items, trainers, towns, and Pokemon to find and explore, and Elite Four rematches. That's more than anything we've seen in the 3DS era of Pokemon. While it was certainly still formulaic, the focus on new Pokemon and the expansion of the storyline helped keep it fresh. XY felt like a retread of gen 1-4 with more handholding, unlikeable characters and nothing significant to do after you beat the Elite Four.
 
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so up on my secondary tryouts list:

:ultkirby::ultryu::ultgnw:

man this is tough
 
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Black/White had an entire section of Unova walled off until the postgame, filled with items, trainers, towns, and Pokemon to find and explore, and Elite Four rematches. That's more than anything we've seen in the 3DS era of Pokemon. While it was certainly still formulaic, the focus on new Pokemon and the expansion of the storyline helped keep it fresh. XY felt like a retread of gen 1-4 with more handholding, unlikeable characters and nothing significant to do after you beat the Elite Four.
I guess that's kind of fair, but having replayed Pokemon Black very recently, the main campaign was really short.

I guess those areas sort of were "postgame" as they were post-Elite Four, but it feels kind of artificial.
 

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Tbh buying something just to spite others just contributes to the problem, because it just creates more back and forth mud flinging between both sides

If you have the cash, are legit interested in the game and like what you have seen, just buy it, used or not for said reasons instead of just trying to dunk against faceless angry internet fans.

This is pretty much is the biggest poopstorm in over 20 of Pokéman and taking the wallet decision with impulses simply will not help to find an agreement between the sides and maaybe even GF.
 
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I propose that we all come to an agreement on Pokemon and decide to mass buy Pokemon Sleep instead. That'll show em.
 

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I think another thing to discuss while talking about Pokemon is that we all tend to look back at our favorite gens with rose-colored glasses.

I love Black and White, but I do think it's kind of funny that we're all praising those games while complaining that Sword/Shield probably won't have post-game content or break the formula much. Not to say that Sword/Shield's criticisms are unfounded.

In fact, once you got past all the whining and genwunning about the designs, a big criticism with Black/White back in the day was that they were still formulaic. It fixed the climax problem of previous games by combining the story climax with the Champion Battle, but it still followed the "collect 8 gym badges then go fight the champion" structure that's been around since Gen 1. Post game content was really lacking to. You had the Black City / White Forest I guess, but that was a far cry from the Battle Frontier.

It just kind of seems strange to me that we're treating those games like groundbreaking masterpieces these days. That's certainly not how people saw them at the time of their release.
I will say, what really got me into Pokemon White at the time was the fact that all the Pokemon in the game were new. I was starting to suffer from some serious "Zubat fatigue" if you will, and the mix up of including all new Pokemon was exactly the sort of shot in the arm the franchise needed to me when I first played those games about 8ish years ago. The fact that the work had gone into making all these new Pokemon attracted me in a way other games had not for some time. And while I know the story sometimes gets overrated and I'm not personally super invested in Pokemon stories, I do remember it feeling more substantial than other games. Plus, those were games genuinely pushing the DS to its limits as well.

They weren't perfect games, but they were the exact right thing at the right time for me as a fan and I was willing to overlook the lack of a substantial post game because everything else seemed to have so much effort behind it. Then Pokemon X went and did the exact opposite and I didn't care enough to play it at the time.

Sword and Shield can easily do lots of great stuff like Black and White did to make up for other shortcomings, I just need to see that stuff first haha (And the Wild Lands, General Move to HD, Great Pokemon designs, etc. are all solid first steps, they just also now have to make up for Dexit and the E3 showing haha).
 

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Firstly, got Chrono Trigger and Shadow Dragon today. Because of the B2G1 sale at GameStop, I also got Final Fantasy 2 and 3 on DS, as well as Ass Creed Unity (to complete the collection...except for Rogue) and Tekken 7.

Secondly.

The National Dex controversy, for me specifically, has lost any good will because of the actions of people taking it way too far on social media, as it usually happens with things of this nature. I may engage in cordial conversation about Pokemon Sword & Shield, but I completely disagree with how the cause has been handled.

I support the National Dex coming back. But I do not support how "fans" are going about it.
 
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In fact, once you got past all the whining and genwunning about the designs, a big criticism with Black/White back in the day was that they were still formulaic. It fixed the climax problem of previous games by combining the story climax with the Champion Battle, but it still followed the "collect 8 gym badges then go fight the champion" structure that's been around since Gen 1. Post game content was really lacking to. You had the Black City / White Forest I guess, but that was a far cry from the Battle Frontier.
Honestly, none of the initial paired games like DP or BW have anything on par with the Battle Frontier. Even GS' Kanto if you count it was very limited by the caveats that had to be made to squeeze the region in, so it only lasted so long while you could get hours upon hours from the BF. So that's more a fault of GF's direction from the beginning then any particular game.

Now I will give BW credit in that when compared to others like it, it provides more to do then usual like the Six Sages sidequest and Black City/White Forest, but it pales in comparison to any third version aside from Yellow and Crystal.
 
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Honestly, none of the initial paired games like DP or BW have anything on par with the Battle Frontier. Even GS' Kanto if you count it was very limited by the caveats that had to be made to squeeze the region in, so it only lasted so long while you could get hours upon hours from the BF. So that's more a fault of GF's direction from the beginning then any particular game.

Now I will give BW credit in that when compared to others like it, it provides more to do then usual like the Six Sages sidequest and Black City/White Forest, but it pales in comparison to any third version aside from Yellow and Crystal.
HGSS and DP had their own battle frontier.
 

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I think another thing to discuss while talking about Pokemon is that we all tend to look back at our favorite gens with rose-tinted glasses.

I love Black and White, but I do think it's kind of funny that we're all praising those games while complaining that Sword/Shield probably won't have post-game content or break the formula much. Not to say that Sword/Shield's criticisms are unfounded.

In fact, once you got past all the whining and genwunning about the designs, a big criticism with Black/White back in the day was that they were still formulaic. It fixed the climax problem of previous games by combining the story climax with the Champion Battle, but it still followed the "collect 8 gym badges then go fight the champion" structure that's been around since Gen 1. Post game content was really lacking to. You had the Black City / White Forest I guess, but that was a far cry from the Battle Frontier.

It just kind of seems strange to me that we're treating those games like groundbreaking masterpieces these days. That's certainly not how people saw them at the time of their release.
I don’t know, I loved gen 5 back in the day and still think it’s the peak iof the main games. Even at the time I saw a lot of praise for its high new Pokémon number and finale plus it’s challenge. I do remember gen 6 and 7 received a lot f poor initial reactions. I did like Black city and white Forest too in black and white 2. They offered a decent amount of extra hours and had cool stuff if you played with friends. I can see why it wasn’t a huge post game though. Gen 5 was pretty big overall though imo
 

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Black Tower/White Treehollow were chad af
Specially since you earn Exp there to grind and tackle post-game areas.
 

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I don't care that much since this scene was during the credits, but I don't think the joke was inappropriate enough to warrant being removed.

Actually, I don't think it was inappropriate at all.

 

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I don't care that much since this scene was during the credits, but I don't think the joke was inappropriate enough to warrant being removed.

Actually, I don't think it was inappropriate at all.
kind of ruins the lore that stinky pete did make barbie an actual important-ish character
 
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I don't care that much since this scene was during the credits, but I don't think the joke was inappropriate enough to warrant being removed.

Actually, I don't think it was inappropriate at all.

It's pretty funny, but its not really subtle enough to be the sort of adult joke that can make its way into a kids movie.

edit: thought this was a deleted scene, not something that was removed in the rerelease
 
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I don’t know, I loved gen 5 back in the day and still think it’s the peak iof the main games. Even at the time I saw a lot of praise for its high new Pokémon number and finale plus it’s challenge. I do remember gen 6 and 7 received a lot f poor initial reactions. I did like Black city and white Forest too in black and white 2. They offered a decent amount of extra hours and had cool stuff if you played with friends. I can see why it wasn’t a huge post game though. Gen 5 was pretty big overall though imo
Oh, don't get me wrong, I loved (and still love) Black and White. I've spent countless hours with those games.

But they aren't without their flaws and I think its kind of funny that some (although not all) of the narratives we see targeted towards modern are kind of reflective of ones we saw towards the DS games back then. People have accusing Gamefreak of being lazy for as long as I remember, for instance.
 

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I played through Pokemon White for the first time on a crappy emulator running at half speed in a language I didn't understand. It did something right for me to get to the end of the game in that state. My replay last year only cemented to me that it's one of the best-paced, enjoyable games in the series.
 
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