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Pokemon doesn't need a rep from every Gen. I wouldn't object to it, but that's a lot of unnecessary stress on Sakurai, even moreso now that new Gens are released every three years instead of four. If SwSh doesn't get a rep in the upcoming DLC, Sakurai could potentially have three Gens that he'd have to add Pokemon from.
You know, us pokemon fans are pretty spoiled. We get to be fans of the one franchise that's garunteed a new fighter every Smash game, and while there's naturally a bit of a bias towards gen 1 there's still a really good selection, and I'd argue that there's a strong case for all of them being included. Not to mention pokeballs being one of the funnest items in the game.

I'd happily accept more pokemon newcomers regardless of gen, but I'm still really satisfied with what we've got.

On that note, lets pour one out for all the Zelda fans who haven't gotten a unique character since Melee.
I know that now. And that makes a degree of sense....

I just think it would make sense to only have the “generation” change with the system and have multiple regions just be part of the same generation. You could even probably tie them together in more interesting ways if you did that.

Oh well. What’s done is done.
Even when on the same system, Pokemon tends to go through big changes between generations. Gen 4, for instance. had fully static sprites and battle screens while Gen 5 on the same system fully animated all 500+ pokemon and added zoom in effects when using certain moves to boot. Not to mention Gen 5's color palette being very different from other pokemon games, giving it a pretty distinct tone.

Then there's the fact that its simply beneficial for TPC and GF to promote things in waves to keep interest in upcoming and recent games. Although it does sometimes cause certain pokemon to get overshadowed. RIP my boy Null's chances of getting an official plush.
 

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Am playing through Lunar: Eternal Blue. I just reached the library city and my goodness are there a lot of cheeky jokes on book shelves:

101 Paths to Success Volume 5: Devious Tricks
Basic Magic Volume 3: Killing Barney Made Easy
Inspirations Volume 2 -
"See a Penny. Pick it up. All day long, you'll have a good bowel regularity."
101 Pickup Lines Guaranteed to Make the Grade
Understanding Magic Volume 6: Training Pets With Shocks
1001 Ways to Skin a Cat Volume 1: Cafe Traditions
Basic Magic Volume 1: Piffs and Poofs
Understanding Magic Volume 1
- "Magic requires great powers of concentration. To develop these skills, try this: Eat two boxes of laxatives and concentrate on not using the bathroom."

Working Designs really went full ham with their localization of this game even compared to their previous games. I've already run into dialogue jokes about President Clinton, Dirty Harry, Guns n' Roses, Friends (sitcom), and a surprising amount of sexual innuendo. It's a charming game, but man have a lot of these jokes not aged well/I'm surprised this game came out with a KA Rating. I'm not even sure I can even mention some of the jokes/puns without getting in trouble here.

Am using the official guidebook and yes the jokes in it are equally bad. :ohwell:
 

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On that note, lets pour one out for all the Zelda fans who haven't gotten a unique character since Melee.
This is one of the big things that everyone forgets about, somehow. There's much, much more to Legend of Zelda than just Link, Zelda, and Ganon, but that's all we've had for the past 18 years. One of the best-selling, award-winning, and world-famous video game series of all time has gotten almost nothing throughout Noipoi Noipoi 's entire life.

And it's not like Metroid where there's the issue of "Well, there really aren't a lot of characters to choose from," because three of them are already Assist Trophies: Skull Kid, Midna, and Ghirahim. Any of those three are an easy pick for a character, but there's several more who are good candidates who would add unique personalities and moves to the cast.

Yet for some reason, the character a lot of people were trying to hype up last year during Ultimate's hype train was... Impa? I don't understand. She's one of the most boring characters in the entire series, if only because Sheik's cooler in just about every way. I could see her maybe as an alternate costume, like Olimar/Alph, instead of an Echo Fighter like many people wished for, but even then I don't see the appeal.
 

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Yet for some reason, the character a lot of people were trying to hype up last year during Ultimate's hype train was... Impa? I don't understand. She's one of the most boring characters in the entire series, if only because Sheik's cooler in just about every way. I could see her maybe as an alternate costume, like Olimar/Alph, instead of an Echo Fighter like many people wished for, but even then I don't see the appeal.
The appeal mainly comes from Fire Emblem Warriors which depicts her as a ninja-warrior who can channel Sheikah magic and has a no-nonsense personality.

Personally, I like Impa slightly more than Sheik because at least she's somewhat relevant in the games she appears in whereas Sheik has nothing going for her beyond a plot-twist that doesn't add much and a cool turban.
 

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I feel if it wasn't for their Assist Trophies being revealed at the E3 demo Midna and Ghirahim would've been a lot more popular during speculation last year. Both have always been popular characters in the franchise and Midna in particular I don't think has lost a step despite Twilight Princess getting older, so I'm sure if the door was left open people would've been more vocally rallying for them. Skull Kid did manage to avoid that and did have a good rally behind him, though I think him being tied to a rumor that turned out false took some wind out of his sails towards the end.
 

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This is one of the big things that everyone forgets about, somehow. There's much, much more to Legend of Zelda than just Link, Zelda, and Ganon, but that's all we've had for the past 18 years. One of the best-selling, award-winning, and world-famous video game series of all time has gotten almost nothing throughout Noipoi Noipoi Noipoi Noipoi 's entire life.

And it's not like Metroid where there's the issue of "Well, there really aren't a lot of characters to choose from," because three of them are already Assist Trophies: Skull Kid, Midna, and Ghirahim. Any of those three are an easy pick for a character, but there's several more who are good candidates who would add unique personalities and moves to the cast.
I think part of the issue might be that there's too many good characters with none standing far higher above the rest, so fans are kind of split between them. It was easy for DKC fans to rally behind K.Rool and Metroid fans to rally behind Ridley because those guys only really had Dark Samus and Dixie Kong to compete with.
Yet for some reason, the character a lot of people were trying to hype up last year during Ultimate's hype train was... Impa? I don't understand. She's one of the most boring characters in the entire series, if only because Sheik's cooler in just about every way. I could see her maybe as an alternate costume, like Olimar/Alph, instead of an Echo Fighter like many people wished for, but even then I don't see the appeal.
I think people are just more inclined to rally behind who they see as likely. Impa wasn't the most popular character, but the fact that she was recurring made her seem more likely in eyes of a lot of Smash Fans, since it dodges the "no one-off Zelda characters" fan rule. Likewise Skull Kid got a huge boost in support after Loz18 trolled the fanbase and Ghirahim was popular during Wii U speculation because of Skyward Sword's relevancy.

And just to be clear, I think Skull Kid and Ghirahim both had the potential to be great additions, and I'm not the kind of person to gatekeep people for "bandwagoning", so I'm not saying this judgingly. I'm just stating why I think the situation is the way it is.
 

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This is one of the big things that everyone forgets about, somehow. There's much, much more to Legend of Zelda than just Link, Zelda, and Ganon, but that's all we've had for the past 18 years. One of the best-selling, award-winning, and world-famous video game series of all time has gotten almost nothing throughout Noipoi Noipoi 's entire life.

And it's not like Metroid where there's the issue of "Well, there really aren't a lot of characters to choose from," because three of them are already Assist Trophies: Skull Kid, Midna, and Ghirahim. Any of those three are an easy pick for a character, but there's several more who are good candidates who would add unique personalities and moves to the cast.

Yet for some reason, the character a lot of people were trying to hype up last year during Ultimate's hype train was... Impa? I don't understand. She's one of the most boring characters in the entire series, if only because Sheik's cooler in just about every way. I could see her maybe as an alternate costume, like Olimar/Alph, instead of an Echo Fighter like many people wished for, but even then I don't see the appeal.
The Zelda fanbase is so desperate to get a new character that they're putting all of their focus on promoting the character who they think has the best shot. Unfortunately, no one can agree on who that character is, so the support gets divided among popular characters (Skull Kid), recurring characters (Impa), and relevant characters (Champions).
 

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The appeal mainly comes from Fire Emblem Warriors which depicts her as a ninja-warrior who can channel Sheikah magic and has a no-nonsense personality.

Personally, I like Impa slightly more than Sheik because at least she's somewhat relevant in the games she appears in whereas Sheik has nothing going for her beyond a plot-twist that doesn't add much and a cool turban.
I'd argue that Sheik is much more prominent than Impa. Impa only makes three appearances in Ocarina of Time, and none of them that significant. First, she teaches you Zelda's Lullaby and escorts you out of Hyrule Castle. Second, she flees with Zelda from Ganondorf. Third, you go rescue her in the Shadow Temple and she becomes a sage. Based on that alone, she's not much more notable than, say, Saria. Like you said, the appeal mainly comes from Hyrule Warriors, but a lot of other characters are cool in that game, too.

Meanwhile, Sheik meets you regularly as an adult, telling you cool bits of wisdom and teaching you Guns N' Roses songs. The twist doesn't add much to the plot (and it's laughably terrible when executed in Hyrule Warriors), it is notable for giving Zelda more of a role than damsel in distress... which she goes back to immediately after changing back from Sheik, so Nintendo tried to have their cake and eat it too, it seems. Same thing happened in Wind Waker, oddly enough. But the idea of Princess Zelda being able to take on this alter ego and become a wise ninja to help Link in his quest is one of the more unique elements to Ocarina of Time's story.

I think people are just more inclined to rally behind who they see as likely. Impa wasn't the most popular character, but the fact that she was recurring made her seem more likely in eyes of a lot of Smash Fans, since it dodges the "no one-off Zelda characters" fan rule. Likewise Skull Kid got a huge boost in support after Loz18 trolled the fanbase and Ghirahim was popular during Wii U speculation because of Skyward Sword's relevancy.

And just to be clear, I think Skull Kid and Ghirahim both had the potential to be great additions, and I'm not the kind of person to gatekeep people for "bandwagoning", so I'm not saying this judgingly. I'm just stating why I think the situation is the way it is.
Well, Impa is recurring, but the iteration of Ocarina of Time is an outlier. All other versions of Impa have her as an old woman, while OoT has her as a younger ninja, so the Impa that people are asking for has just one iteration (outside of Hyrule Warriors, where a lot of things were reiterated).

I also thought that it must be a "no one-off Zelda character" rule, but then I realized that many Fire Emblem characters on the roster are also one-off characters, so either that's not really a rule, or there's a double-standard going on. Several other characters are also "one-off" characters in the sense that they only appear in one game, so recurring characters doesn't seem to be that much of a limitation. To top it all off, Sheik also only appeared once, yet she's never gone anywhere. I think the issue is moreso that there's too many characters to choose from at this point, so narrowing down who is too daunting of a task.

If there'd been a steady pace of Zelda characters, we could've had Skull Kid, Midna, Ghirahim, and, maybe Mipha now or as a character in the next game. Throw Zant and Vaati into the pool, too. That'd be the same kind of pace Pokemon and Fire Emblem got. I'm really curious as to what the behind-the-scenes reason is for why there's no new Zelda character, since I'm sure it's going to be some weird reason none of us would ever guess.
 

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Ya gettin Tingle. Take it or leave it.
Tingle could have a pretty good & entertaining moveset, especially if they used elements from the DS games where he was the main character.

I be cool with it imo if that's the case.
 

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Just a reminder that THIS is a legit thing that's happening.
So there are rumblings of an "Infinity Saga" Box-Set. For those that don't know The Infinity Saga is the first 3 Phases of the MCU. So from Iron Man all the way to Spider-Man: Far From Home. And yes, oddly enough, Far From Home is going to be the last Phase 3 movie just as Ant-Man was the last Phase 2 movie.

I don't think people realize how monumental a box set like this will be. I really don't. Let me just recount something. All the movies present in the box set by year, and their owners.

  1. Iron Man (Paramount)(2008)
  2. The Incredible Hulk (Universal)(2008)
  3. Iron Man 2 (Paramount)(2010)
  4. Thor (Paramount/Disney)(2011)
  5. Captain America: The First Avenger (Paramount/Disney)(2011)
  6. The Avengers (Disney)(2012)
  7. Iron Man 3 (Paramount)(2013)
  8. Thor: The Dark World (Disney)(2013)
  9. Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Disney)(2014)
  10. Guardians of the Galaxy (Disney)(2014)
  11. Avengers: Age of Ultron (Disney)(2015)
  12. Ant-Man (Disney)(2015)
  13. Captain America: Civil War (Disney)(2016)
  14. Doctor Strange (Disney)(2016)
  15. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (Disney)(2017)
  16. Spider-Man: Homecoming (Sony)(2017)
  17. Thor: Ragnarok (Disney)(2017)
  18. Black Panther (Disney)(2018)
  19. Avengers: Infinity War (Disney)(2018)
  20. Ant-Man and The Wasp (Disney)(2018)
  21. Captain Marvel (Disney)(2019)
  22. Avengers: Endgame (Disney)(2019)
  23. Spider-Man: Far From Home (Sony)(2019)
SO! That's 23 movies. 4 movie studios. 11 YEARS. There's only two BIG movie studios that aren't included in this insane collection. Warner Bros., who obviously owns DC and no Marvel characters, and 20th Century Fox, who just got bought by Disney and owns X-Men and Fantastic 4. That's insane. This is literally the film industry's Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. A single set where nearly EVERY big name studio in the industry is present.

(There's suggestions that Far From Home isn't necessarily a part of The Infinity Saga but I feel like it would be strange to leave it out since it is, absolutely, the last movie of Phase 3. Though it is possible it is left out of the box set)

I gotta start saving for this big *** mother ****** if it comes true.

Edit: Just noticed 2009 was the only year in the past decade + that didn't have an MCU movie...
And guess who started saving for this big mother ****** and already has one preordered. Yep, this guy.
 

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Reaaaaal tempted to get that Infinity Saga boxed set, but it's like 500 bucks. I'd snap it up immediately for 200, but 500? **** that noise, lol

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I giggled at Leonie and Jeralt.

Oh, and Raphael looks just as dumb here as he is in the actual game.
Thanks!
My favourite things in the picture are:
1. D U M M Y T H I C C Rhea
2. Alois looks like Wario (Annette in the purple thing looks like a fart cloud.)
3. Caspar trying to do what Scrappy-Doo does. (fight monsters.)
4. Dedue (Push-ups with massive arms.)
5. Smol Bernie
6. Brown derpy dragon
7. All of the others.
 
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Alright. Who are you switching in? Your other mons are Mismagius, Chandelure, Trevenant, Delmise, and Mimikyu. And your team is Ghost Type.
I'll swap out Trevenant.
I finally watched the video and it was great! xD Makes me wish that the whole Ubisoft Theme park wasn't so far away and they did all the cool stuff Disney does. I mean, heck, I wouldn't mind seeing a replica of some of the vessels from Assassin's Creed, specially The Morrigan.

As for the stuff he mentioned, it's rather useful! What caufgt my attention the most was the level of realism something worn out or damaged can give in comparison to something that is not. Doing environments/Landscapes has been something I always struggle with, but I should learn. However, TRYING to follow Bob Ross tutorial is a nightmare. xD Specially in digital media. I swear, I tried it once.
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I giggled at Leonie and Jeralt.

Oh, and Raphael looks just as dumb here as he is in the actual game.
Raphael is a good, simple big boi.

I would say "protecc him", but the truth is, he probably do a better job at protecting others than I ever could.:drsad:
 

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Re: the whole Zelda newcomer discussion from earlier, I'd _refer to get a one off character than Im_a who I've never found _articularly interesting

But yeah, a central _roblem has been deciding who the best one off character would be to rally round

For recurring characters, all you've got is Im_a, Tingle and ... Beedle

I guess there's also Vaati, but I don't really count his as recurring as he hasn't a_ _ eared for years and I doubt he'll ever a_ _ ear again in a non-Ca_com Zelda title
 

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You know what.... just thinking about logistics here, it would make more sense if @Taylor F had Gengar and @JDCabrera had Hoopa. Hoopa is a much more powerful Pokémon (befitting someone higher up the ranks), and JD’s team is Ghost/Dark, matching both of Hoopa’s forms. Maybe we Switch one last time?
Re: the whole Zelda newcomer discussion from earlier, I'd _refer to get a one off character than Im_a who I've never found _articularly interesting

But yeah, a central _roblem has been deciding who the best one off character would be to rally round

For recurring characters, all you've got is Im_a, Tingle and ... Beedle

I guess there's also Vaati, but I don't really count his as recurring as he hasn't a_ _ eared for years and I doubt he'll ever a_ _ ear again in a non-Ca_com Zelda title
If I were picking new Zelda characters, it would be Tingle, Tetra, Vaati, LttP Ganon, and Impa as a Sheik Echo.
 
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You know what.... just thinking about logistics here, it would make more sense if @Taylor F had Gengar and @JDCabrera had Hoopa. Hoopa is a much more powerful Pokémon (befitting someone higher up the ranks), and JD’s team is Ghost/Dark, matching both of Hoopa’s forms. Maybe we Switch one last time?


If I were picking new Zelda characters, it would be Tingle, Tetra, Vaati, LttP Ganon, and Impa as a Sheik Echo.
Sure, we can switch those Pokémon.
 

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So I'm not spending more money. I've been trying more natural remedies for my dogs ears. Used coconut oil along with garlic with a saucepan and then applied it. Hopefully this will help her.

Also she's got a cracked nose. Nothing a little olive oil can do.
 
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this might be a controversial take, but I feel like we already have all the essential Zelda reps covered.

Zelda doesn't have as many recurring characters compared to something like say, Super Mario or something, and the ones it does have, pretty much just the Triforce holders, already give you the general idea of the franchise's typical structure.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love me some more Zelda characters, but most people feel like it's criminally underrepresented, which I think is a bit far from the case.

That's my opinion at least
 
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this might be a controversial take, but I feel like we already have all the essential Zelda reps covered.

Zelda doesn't have as many recurring characters compared to something like say, Super Mario or something, and the ones it does have, the Triforce holders already give you the general idea of the franchise's typical structure.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love me some more Zelda characters, but most people feel like it's criminally underrepresented, which I think is a bit far from the case.

That's my opinion at least
I would agree with you if people didn’t also feel the need to cram the game full of as many one-off Fire Emblem characters as possible. I say add in a few more Zelda characters. Throw in Impa as an easy Sheik echo. Throw in SNES Ganon. Throw in Tingle and Tetra for the toon era. Maybe throw in Vaati if Capcom is willing to play ball (and why wouldn’t they be). Makes as much sense as including Corrin and Roy. Nintendo’s number two guy behind Mario (three if you count Pokémon) deserves to have at least as many characters as Fire Emblem
 
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I would agree with you if people didn’t also feel the need to cram the game full of as many one-off Fire Emblem characters as possible. I say add in a few more Zelda characters. Throw in Impa as an easy Sheik echo. Throw in SNES Ganon. Throw in Tingle and Tetra for the toon era. Maybe throw in Vaati if Capcom is willing to play ball (and why wouldn’t they be). Makes as much sense as including Corrin and Roy.
FE is in a similar situation with series like Final Fantasy and Persona.

Most of the games are their own unique stories with almost no recurring characters whatsoever, with the exception of a couple direct sequels here and there

Unlike, Zelda, which while the recurring cast may be small, they exist, and they already tell you plenty about the series.
 
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FE is in a similar situation with series like Final Fantasy and Persona.

Most of the games are their own unique stories with almost no recurring characters whatsoever, with the exception of a couple direct sequels here and there
Still doesn’t mean it needs a new character in Smash every single time a new installment comes out. If that didn’t happen I’d be a bit less harsh on it. But a character shouldn’t get into smash just because they exist.
 

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Still doesn’t mean it needs a new character in Smash every single time a new installment comes out. If that didn’t happen I’d be a bit less harsh on it. But a character shouldn’t get into smash just because they exist.
you say that but you want more zelda characters
 
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Still doesn’t mean it needs a new character in Smash every single time a new installment comes out. If that didn’t happen I’d be a bit less harsh on it. But a character shouldn’t get into smash just because they exist.
Do we really have to do the whole "why each Fire Emblem character was added" thing all over again?

No Fire Emblem character is in Smash just because they exist, they all had their reasons.
 

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you say that but you want more zelda characters
Quotas are only bad if they're for something I don't like.

I want Nintendo’s second biggest franchise to have a presence in Smash that reflects it.
I'll point out stages and items and you'll say they don't matter as much as characters.

I don't think anything constructive ever comes from Zelda rep argument.
 
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