Mango said the PR is gonna go down for a while because SoCal sucks
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SoCal Melee PR 12/29/2013 Update
- Thread starter HugS™
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The Greater Leon
Smash Hero
make it top 5 :/
DanteFox
Smash Champion
Isn't part of the PR's purpose to motivate socal to NOT suck?
well it's been over 2 months since it's been out and still, no one cares besides the people on the list.
MacD
Banned via Administration
plus like 3
NeighborhoodP
Smash Hero
told you guys atlus sucks
and if you think connor ***** but tofu doesn't... when tofu is like 2x the spacie connor is... ***** you need to get better so tofu stops sandbagging on you
and if you think connor ***** but tofu doesn't... when tofu is like 2x the spacie connor is... ***** you need to get better so tofu stops sandbagging on you
Incronaut
Smash Ace
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interesting form of motivational speaking...
I'm aiming for 4th *****, you won't touch me if you can't get past Pnoy!
For once I agree with DanteFox. This motivates the rest of the region by providing a realistic, tangible goal for everyone. Whether we look like a joke or not is not only irrelevant but up to us as well. Removing the PR, however, does nothing but reduce the goals that people can shoot for. Basically the only thing people can really strive to achieve is Top 3 (getting money) which is very difficult when Mango, Zhu, and Lucky attend. The fact that we have a PR is not the reason why certain people (not even socal as a whole) are losing their competitive drive.
I'm a perfect example, I went to tournaments but didn't give a **** about where I placed until the PR was posted (also took a long break from tournaments for ~2 months), then I got pissed when the PR came out and now I'm 100x better than I was at Feb 9th. To be completely honest, I never thought I could even be this good, I thought I hit my ceiling (but turns out it was just another typical wall I had to climb over).
The PR already boosted a lot of peoples' drive to improve, taking it down would only worsen the situation.
Agreed. Boss if you played them (atlus/tofu) more often you would see just how hard it is to beat them. Too bad he moved so I can't take that spot from him =(
Lovage
Smash Hero
now you have to take it from lovage
what a cop out
what a cop out
choknater
Smash Obsessed
did fly really beat zhu?
AHHHH ****ING ****
rep that ic's man
i like ur beard and hair
do u still have it
ahh ****
AHHHH ****ING ****
rep that ic's man
i like ur beard and hair
do u still have it
ahh ****
2 more tournaments until the next update? I'm gonna try my heart out at UCLA and SCSA then!
I wanna say I'm gonna play gayer, but I don't know how =/
I wanna say I'm gonna play gayer, but I don't know how =/
The Greater Leon
Smash Hero
wear only a speedo
i'll team with you if we both do that 1000% serious
i'll team with you if we both do that 1000% serious
NeighborhoodP
Smash Hero
Sounds like you're one of the only examples and you're making your argument just because that's how you feel, not because it's reality. The PR might've motivated a few people, but as a whole it has failed spectacularly. If Mango keeps it up then it's like any random noob can come in and say, "We ***** the 4th and 5th best in SoCal."
The PR hasn't done its job so at the very least make it top 5 only. And honestly it should be taken down because the PR is supposed to represent competition, and SoCal is one of the least competitive spots in the country nowadays.
DanteFox
Smash Champion
So basically you're saying we should just give up.... like you did.
edit: besides, the PR has only been up for, what, 2 months? I'd say the improvement we've seen since then, justifies keeping the PR around. I mean, aren't we better than we were 2 months ago? The PR gives us a way to quantify top talent, allowing us to compare us to other regions, and to keep track of improvement over time, at least for some people. So why not?
Nasty_Nate
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****** youve never even started
embracethe12
Smash Lord
i really wanna play zhu in tourney.
but it's never happened.
but it's never happened.
NeighborhoodP
Smash Hero
I'm saying the competitive environment is already non-existent... get real, if you ever traveled to norcal or watched videos from EC / South / Canada then you would know this already.
Or maybe if you ever even went to a tournament. Don't get it twisted son, you may post a lot on smash boards but you definitely do not represent anything about the community
Kira asked me the other day why no one cared he ***** Lucky and Fly in tournament. Exactly my point.
Are "we" better than we would have been 2 months ago if the PR didn't exist? Doubt it. People improve all the time; people are always going to be better 2 months into the future than they are at present time...
Plus you're overlooking the fact that Mango is almost always right, and P is especially almost always right.
joeplicate
Smash Master
I agree with this statement
Nasty_Nate
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wtf. I care, but its hard to get hype since there are NO VIDS
I appreciate people bringing recording equipment, but please focus on getting good people on the recording tvs, not just yourselves and friends
Atlus8
Smash Master
I can't take tournaments much more serious because we all play each other ALOT!!! I can easily see myself going all out if I go to NorCal or another state!
that's not an excuse to not take tournaments seriously.
Rosedemon
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I think it is. Theres only so many times Zhu vs Mango can be interesting.
If a tournament isnt having a slew of upsets (a few CGCs) every few times, or the bracket doesnt get stacked with hella good people out of nowhere (our recent davis tourny) and its literally the same people playing the same people over and over, and that sounds awesomely boring.
If a tournament isnt having a slew of upsets (a few CGCs) every few times, or the bracket doesnt get stacked with hella good people out of nowhere (our recent davis tourny) and its literally the same people playing the same people over and over, and that sounds awesomely boring.
Atlus8
Smash Master
It is to me!
pockyD
Smash Legend
norcal is too good
GSUB
Smash Lord
Kira, I care.
I just don't know how to show it
:/
I just don't know how to show it
:/
MacD
Banned via Administration
once the bracket was posted poeple could have gone
"omg kira beat fly and lucky... WTF omg kira that's crazy i don't get it, how the **** did you get so good, **** dude that's sooooo crazy, good ****"
i dno't remember anyone not at the tourny posting like omg WTF, and i don't remember many people at the tourny going omg what?!?!?!?!!?
"omg kira beat fly and lucky... WTF omg kira that's crazy i don't get it, how the **** did you get so good, **** dude that's sooooo crazy, good ****"
i dno't remember anyone not at the tourny posting like omg WTF, and i don't remember many people at the tourny going omg what?!?!?!?!!?
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2. Describe how the PR has failed. Explain how it is the PR's fault as opposed to individual players.
3. Why you gotta be so negative, just because you're not part of this community anymore doesn't mean you have to shut it down. Even if what you're saying is reality there's no reason to bring everyone else down with you.
EDIT - ahah, maybe i expected too much from beating fly/lucky, maybe people didn't think it was too out of my reach, maybe they would have "cared" more if more people saw the matches in person, maybe they thought it was a fluke (in lucky's case). I think Connor was the only person who really saw both matches? thanks for the support connor, same to gsub and macd and anyone else who didn't know how to express it. People didn't really say much to Fly for beating Zhu except those who watched the match so that's the most plausible theory.
i also want to add that there's a big gap in socal smash from the top players and the newer ones. that's not anyone's fault really, but the newer players are definitely improving whether we have noticed or not. i'm not saying we have to go make them better, just stating that there is competition at that level. And there are new players coming in slowly but steadily, with connor's last tournament as a good example. Still, the mid-people need to attend more, they are the worst group in this case.
1. Nobody has ***** the 4th and 5th best. Nobody is making a case to be on the PR, they understand they are not at that level yet.
2. Describe how the PR has failed. Explain how it is the PR's fault as opposed to individual players.
3. Why you gotta be so negative, just because you're not part of this community anymore doesn't mean you have to shut it down. Even if what you're saying is reality there's no reason to bring everyone else down with you.
**** that, no half-intelligent person takes things for granted like that and you shouldn't expect anyone to
I can agree with this. At the PR level most matches in socal have already been done, what we need are more people to challenge those spots. DC money, boss/maple/pnoy, other SD like leeland and fumi, tijuana smashers, embrace/plan 9/tipz, westballz, kouryuu/futile STEP YOUR **** UP and start going to more tournaments. And play tons of friendlies after so you get better, don't just leave once you're out, that's barely any practice.
EDIT - ahah, maybe i expected too much from beating fly/lucky, maybe people didn't think it was too out of my reach, maybe they would have "cared" more if more people saw the matches in person, maybe they thought it was a fluke (in lucky's case). I think Connor was the only person who really saw both matches? thanks for the support connor, same to gsub and macd and anyone else who didn't know how to express it. People didn't really say much to Fly for beating Zhu except those who watched the match so that's the most plausible theory.
i also want to add that there's a big gap in socal smash from the top players and the newer ones. that's not anyone's fault really, but the newer players are definitely improving whether we have noticed or not. i'm not saying we have to go make them better, just stating that there is competition at that level. And there are new players coming in slowly but steadily, with connor's last tournament as a good example. Still, the mid-people need to attend more, they are the worst group in this case.
cubaisdeath
Smash Lord
get better and beat people, duh
joeplicate
Smash Master
kira I agree with you on so many levels
when I go back for summer, I'm gonna get on people's ***** to go to more tournaments
I was actually really impressed that you were in winners finals
but then I looked at the bracket, saw that zhu lost to fly and then to "Wasabi" (before I knew that he left early/forfeited), and thought that vs lucky was probably a fluke on some level
it just seemed like it was a tournament nobody cared about from looking at the bracket =\
which is a big problem (in my experience, which is not all that telling since I've been gone for ~9 months)
when I go back for summer, I'm gonna get on people's ***** to go to more tournaments
I was actually really impressed that you were in winners finals
but then I looked at the bracket, saw that zhu lost to fly and then to "Wasabi" (before I knew that he left early/forfeited), and thought that vs lucky was probably a fluke on some level
it just seemed like it was a tournament nobody cared about from looking at the bracket =\
which is a big problem (in my experience, which is not all that telling since I've been gone for ~9 months)
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
Kouryuu
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Don't worry. I'm gonna **** the living **** out of Socal the next few tourneys I go to. That will be enough for people to get riled up and get better. Watch.
Edit: If I beat you and you are on the PR, I am gonna talk MAD ****. Don't **** up now.
Edit: If I beat you and you are on the PR, I am gonna talk MAD ****. Don't **** up now.
Atlus8
Smash Master
Okie Dokie!
NeighborhoodP
Smash Hero
no you misunderstood me. if you really don't think someone like D.P. or Darkmike couldn't come down here and **** you and lovage and make socal look like a joke...
they go hand in hand. if the PR hasn't been enough to motivate socal as a whole -- which, if you care to look, da proof is in da pudding -- then what does it stand for? just to make people like you feel better? mango's right, it makes socal look like a joke. why do you think i wanted to be taken off the PR almost immediatey? i **** sure don't want to be associated with a joke.
don't you remember when joe came and beat fly and lovage and you? is he even ranked on norcal's list? all the PR is doing is embarassing socal as a whole. do you know how much pressure was on lovage going to EC because he was 4th?
it's the truth. it's nothing personal, but the truth hurts.
you getting butt hurt over half-jest comments like that shows you're too close to the situation. nevermind that even hugo was making a similar point to this a long time ago. hell, hugo being on the PR prolly would've helped more because who wants to be ranked below some inactive old fart who still ***** everyone when he gives it the time of day
like i said, da proof is in da pudding son
the thing is you can't make people care about the game as much as you. the tools to get better are exactly in front of people, it's only up to them if they don't make the effort, and you can't get upset at them or yell and be like COME ON STEP IT UP when it's just not in them. no one was trying to get socal better at this game than me, but at some point you just have to look reality in the eye and say it is what it is. mango shutting down the PR is just a realization of the truth that has been evident the past few months.
like if people have only been going to 1-2 tournies a month for the past year, they're not going to magically start going to more. they have their reasons, and there's nothing you can do about it.
thanks for proving my point. the old community would've took notice -- you really think **** like that would escape edrees' eye, or hugo's? of course not. norcal hypes up HMW beating forward and zhu every chance they get, as well they should. if you or me or macd beats lucky it's, "oh who cares, it's just a big fluke." that's besides the point, you don't fluke **** in melee. you win for a reason.
and i know i'm one of the people who didn't (and doesn't) give macd any credit, but that's only because he's an example of another problem: people get "good" too quickly -- "good" being the definition of what was good two years ago but is now standard all across the country -- and think they don't have to worry about having a noob mindset, and in the end just hit a wall and never improve at the rate they should.
and that is the problem with EVERY decent player in this community who thinks they're serious about this game, from san diego reaper to kouryuu to macd to old school embracethe12. the ones who are "so dedicated" are the ones with the biggest noob mindsets, but if you combine a legitimate mindset with legitimate dedication you get a guy like joe or tofu.
and that's why when they left the community really died.
embracethe12
Smash Lord
kouryuu lets money match 5$
i'll put you below me
i'll put you below me