RichBrown
Smash Master
Noooo Edrees don't come back you are the ultimate Rich Brown counter, you Yoshi/Peach mainer you >_<
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Socal Brawl Power Rankings - (February 3, 2010 - May 1, 2010) UPDATED
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mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
this list is pretty cool
compare it to resutls from quiznos and almost everything that was supposed to happen did happen
DSF won
Tyrant beat me
I beat Havok
Havok beat HugS
but..tyrant beat fiction :O
compare it to resutls from quiznos and almost everything that was supposed to happen did happen
DSF won
Tyrant beat me
I beat Havok
Havok beat HugS
but..tyrant beat fiction :O
The calm tyrant...
Smash Ace
Tyrant is pretty cute 
And "I beat larry!!!?!??!!"
And "I beat larry!!!?!??!!"
ssbbFICTION
Smash Champion
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I 2-0ed tyrant in winners bracket and losers finals was 5th match mike XD
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
i beat aj!!!
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
oh i know, just in the end losers bracket is what matters, IMO anyway.
The calm tyrant...
Smash Ace
<3 fiction
choknater
Smash Obsessed
i wanna see The Calmer Tyrant on the rankings
RichBrown
Smash Master
I beat Zex!
then lost to him in losers >_<
FadedImage
Smash Journeyman
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RichBrown
Smash Master
Typhlosion and Warpstats oughta be on this next update
WarpStatus
Smash Apprentice
I heard that RichBrown guy is so cool. He knows what he's talking about I mean he wins tourneys and stuff with olimar. What a pro. <3
ssbbFICTION
Smash Champion
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Rich and mike gonna mooooove up XD
Krooton
Smash Cadet
Good job Rich your so pringles
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Come down for burntsocks training!
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
dehf for top 3!!!!!!!!!!!
mikehaze for top 10!!!!!!!!!!!!
mikehaze for top 10!!!!!!!!!!!!
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
yeah tyrant should be #1 IMO
based of results not skills
based of results not skills
I wouldn't really count SCSA much against DSF, since he DID run the tournament and it was late as hell.
I mean that's why there is a panel. There's a human element in the decision making. However, it's true that he has not performed as well as Tyrant. So...
I mean that's why there is a panel. There's a human element in the decision making. However, it's true that he has not performed as well as Tyrant. So...
that isn't a legit excuse he didn't even have to do pools to make it into the pro bracket
mio
Smash Ace
1. Tyrant
2. DEHF
3. DSF
4. Fiction
5. mikeHAZE
6. Leepuff
7. Havok
9. Richbrown
10. ?????
2. DEHF
3. DSF
4. Fiction
5. mikeHAZE
6. Leepuff
7. Havok
9. Richbrown
10. ?????
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
he decided to enter, no johns. he knew there would be outside elements right?
i mean i do think it's a legit john, but in the end he shouldn't have entered if that was the case.
i mean i do think it's a legit john, but in the end he shouldn't have entered if that was the case.
Atlus8
Smash Master
Right there!
Thats pretty true.
Also not entering into the tourney should hurt your placing as well, right?
I mean isent being ranked also associated with entering tourneys. So when he dosent enter SCSA does that go against his ranking as well? Or is he exempt from that tourney?
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
it shouldn't hurt him for not entering because it's a mutual thing amongst the community and gives us a better view of who would be where IF dsf didn't enter.
RichBrown
Smash Master
SCSA shouldn't hurt DSF too bad. Yeah, it was a sub par performance, but those were some real crap outside elements to deal with. And it even says on the first page that one bad tournament won't really affect the placement of a player. It shouldn't be ignored altogether, but the penalty should be minimal.
The Greater Leon
Smash Hero
So what you're saying is that if Alex does well at one tournament, he should choose to not enter any others to secure his ranking? I mean, this is obviously not what you mean, but I'm just showing you an extreme example that follows your logic, to show you what you're really saying.
Look...
Someone chooses to take on the hardships of a tournament for various benefits, but at the risk of losing money/respect/prestige. In a perfect world, those hardships would consist solely of opponents' skills and other closely related factors. However, the world isn't perfect, so you need human insight.
The job of the panel is not to rank someone based on his/her lack of better judgment. If someone chooses to play under the worst of conditions, it would be dumb of that player. But, it'd be even dumber of the panel to ignore the effect of those horrid conditions.
We are also not in the business of deciding whether someone is Johning or not. The term is so broad that almost anything can be construed as a John. However, we are in the business of deciding whether a John is LEGIT or not. Our purpose is to rank players accurately, taking into account any and all factors that may positively or negatively impact a player's performance. DSF running the tournament all day AND not having any opportunity to warm up IS a big factor, and to ignore it by saying "no Johns" is foolish.
Go to the Melee Rankings if you want a panel that really believes in "No Johns" when ranking players.
Or you can use T0mmy's power rankings, and go strictly off of points.
DSF will be hurt because of his SCSA performance, but it's not as powerful a hit as say...his UCLA performance. He did worse @ SCSA than he did @ UCLA, but UCLA should hurt him more for the reasons mentioned prior. Get me?
DSF isn't invulnerable on the rankings, it's just bad to be so simple minded about these kinds of things.
I'm sorry to double post, but this is an important point.
Some may argue that DSF"s bad judgment on entering the tournament SHOULD hurt him, as it is the better player who would make the right call and avoid the tournament.
But should something like bad judgment, sickness, concern over loved ones, etc...really hurt a player indiscriminately in the rankings? Do you guys really believe that? Yeah, they are all johns. But to say "well you knew this was going on, you could have avoided it or avoided joining the tournament" is a bit ridiculous. This factor just has more to do with DSF as a person, and almost nothing to do with his skill in the game.
For example, a person can have terrible health problems at a certain tournament, and he could lose there because of it. If the health problem was related to his obesity, are we to say "you shoulda just lost weight to avoid this. Better players are healthier". These factors, just like bad judgment outside of the game, are unrelated to skill in gameplay. Therefore, we shouldn't place an equal weight on skill in gameplay and on a player's skill in leading a good life.
It is a factor that gets considered though, just by a lesser margin.
Like if someone ****s up and drinks WAY too much one time and loses to Fly, naturally it will hurt him on the rankings. But should that loss have the same weight as him losing to Fly when completely sober, healthy, and ready to play?
I just don't think so...That's how I see it.
Now, if a player ALWAYS get's drunk and does well, but lost this one day and says it's because he was drunk...then the drunk factor won't change anything, He'll be ranked accordingly.
That's just how I see it.
Some may argue that DSF"s bad judgment on entering the tournament SHOULD hurt him, as it is the better player who would make the right call and avoid the tournament.
But should something like bad judgment, sickness, concern over loved ones, etc...really hurt a player indiscriminately in the rankings? Do you guys really believe that? Yeah, they are all johns. But to say "well you knew this was going on, you could have avoided it or avoided joining the tournament" is a bit ridiculous. This factor just has more to do with DSF as a person, and almost nothing to do with his skill in the game.
For example, a person can have terrible health problems at a certain tournament, and he could lose there because of it. If the health problem was related to his obesity, are we to say "you shoulda just lost weight to avoid this. Better players are healthier". These factors, just like bad judgment outside of the game, are unrelated to skill in gameplay. Therefore, we shouldn't place an equal weight on skill in gameplay and on a player's skill in leading a good life.
It is a factor that gets considered though, just by a lesser margin.
Like if someone ****s up and drinks WAY too much one time and loses to Fly, naturally it will hurt him on the rankings. But should that loss have the same weight as him losing to Fly when completely sober, healthy, and ready to play?
I just don't think so...That's how I see it.
Now, if a player ALWAYS get's drunk and does well, but lost this one day and says it's because he was drunk...then the drunk factor won't change anything, He'll be ranked accordingly.
That's just how I see it.
Atlus8
Smash Master
If someone starts to play the set, there is no turning back! Granted there are bad conditions were a player can't play at there best, but if that's the case then don't enter. If you know you're not bringing your A game then you can easily say something like "I'm not feeling myself so I give up the set." However, DSF did play all his games. As far as not entering tournaments, it really shouldn't hurt DSF since he has entered so many. Not entering a tourny should only hurt if you only enter like two for every PR update. However, if you r@ped alot of people from the PR in those two tournies then you'll most likely stay where you are. If you have a spot on the PR then you have to prove that you earned it and don't lose to people that are not ranked!
So if the player feels he won't do well that day, he should just not enter, or forfeit beforehand any sets he feels he may lose? Ok...
You're implying the panel shouldn't be able to look back and notice he wasn't capable of playing well that day due to outside factors.
If it's the sole responsibility of the player to try and look into the future to know if he will play bad or not, wouldn't he be given full immunity from the rankings when he simply feels he may do bad and is allowed to just not play?
So then what are we here for?
Hindsight is much more accurate than foresight, just so you know.
We provide a service...
A service that can more accurately tell a player if he was ready to play that day or not. It's actually something that should not be left in the hands of the player; The player is of the party with the most self interest in the ranking decision, so you can see why it's a decision that shouldn't be left up to the player. "Oh gee, i'm playing bad specifically on the day that the most pros are attending. I think I'll forfeit so as to not affect my rank"
THAT is not how we rank people.
The only variable that should concern a player when being ranked is SKILL.
Everything else should be controlled in order to accurately rank someone based on his SKILL.
Control includes accurately weighing the effects of outside factors.
You're implying the panel shouldn't be able to look back and notice he wasn't capable of playing well that day due to outside factors.
If it's the sole responsibility of the player to try and look into the future to know if he will play bad or not, wouldn't he be given full immunity from the rankings when he simply feels he may do bad and is allowed to just not play?
So then what are we here for?
Hindsight is much more accurate than foresight, just so you know.
We provide a service...
A service that can more accurately tell a player if he was ready to play that day or not. It's actually something that should not be left in the hands of the player; The player is of the party with the most self interest in the ranking decision, so you can see why it's a decision that shouldn't be left up to the player. "Oh gee, i'm playing bad specifically on the day that the most pros are attending. I think I'll forfeit so as to not affect my rank"
THAT is not how we rank people.
The only variable that should concern a player when being ranked is SKILL.
Everything else should be controlled in order to accurately rank someone based on his SKILL.
Control includes accurately weighing the effects of outside factors.