So I guess ICs are "S Tier" now :) / :( ?

[Snipa4800]

.............JERK! ()
"Going Rambo on Pit" the jk jk was the Rambo part...
but the point is that if you're not going use blizzard and Ice Blocks, then you can always attempt use an aerial off stage like Bair. Sometimes you take chances

Besides, couldn't an Ice Block still hit Pit if you land it just behind his shield even if he tilts it up?

Pit will take your stock if you go off edge with him.
He can jump back and sheild or just avoid the ice block completely.
He's playing with the intention of timing you out from the start.

 

[r3d d09]

oops. Iwas thinking ninja link to be darklink. I take back whatever i said about ninjalink. my bad xD haha

 

[Sieguest]

He can jump back and sheild or just avoid the ice block completely.

If Pit is on the edge, and you're using blizzard and IBs, then he can't try to go up and challenge you, and you can't to go down and challenge him. Looking at it from a Pit perspective. All Pit can do is as you said, fly to the other side of the stage and shoot an arrow at you since your blizzarding out of range of his his Uair, or Fair. But if he flys to the other side, then you can just follow him on stage and start over again. And........

He's playing with the intention of timing you out from the start.

Isn't there a rule against planking? He can't plank forever can he?

 

[Snipa4800]

Pit is on the edge, and you're using blizzard and IBs, then he can't try to go up and challenge you.

He doesn't wanna come up and challenge me.

Isn't there a rule against planking? He can't plank forever can he?

Nope , he can plank all day.

 

[Sieguest]

He doesn't wanna come up and challenge me.

Well then no one is getting anywhere...

Nope , he can plank all day.

wouldn't he get called for stalling...

 

[Snipa4800]

Planking like that is pretty excepted here , plus I wouldn't wanna disqualify him for doing it.
Brawls a gay game where pretty much anything goes X_x.

 

[Fly_Amanita]

I think I'll start going to Brawl tourneys on weekends where there aren't any Melee events I'm interested in. It should be funny to see how badly I get ***** in the current metagame.

 

[Sieguest]

Planking like that is pretty excepted here , plus I wouldn't wanna disqualify him for doing it.
Brawls a gay game where pretty much anything goes X_x.

Just tell him "No Johns"
just kidding...
but in all seriousness, if it comes to a stalemate like that...then I wouldn't know much else, you could get to a point of predicting what he's going to do, and then change it up on him.

I think I'll start going to Brawl tourneys on weekends where there aren't any Melee events I'm interested in. It should be funny to see how badly I get ***** in the current metagame.

@__@
I don't think it will be that bad will it?

 

[Firestormzero0]

i do believe if the pit did nothing but try and camp on the edge all day i think IC's would win. Yeah pit can shield blizzard and IB. But. If we did nothing but stand near the edge and then do desync Ice Blocks over and over again. The pit would eventually get hurt or we might steal one or more of his jumps forcing him to Up B and thus either our IB would hit him again and he would die, or we can go down there and try and tap him once. If we fail, then the process starts over again. He could try and shield every one of them perfectly. but i think he would mess up eventually. and pits arrows are not hard to dodge if you see it coming. Which you will because he cant really mindgame you at all if he is stuck at either edges.

 

[Snipa4800]

i do believe if the pit did nothing but try and camp on the edge all day i think IC's would win. Yeah pit can shield blizzard and IB. But. If we did nothing but stand near the edge and then do desync Ice Blocks over and over again. The pit would eventually get hurt.

What are you talking about ? Pit can just stay on the ledge and the iceblocks will go right over him.

 

[Firestormzero0]

desync Blizzard or desync downtilt and continue with the IB then?

and if all else fails sit there on the other ledge and wait patiently.

 

[meepxzero]

pit would lose if he excessively planked. Just only get hit if u do by his arrows. His moves would be retardedly deteriorated and do 1-2%. He has to come on stage to do attacks if he wants to win.

I know it sounds dumb but its brawl. Once you give into camping u more than likely lose. A lot of times id time when he would ledge hop back on and just grab. So he couldnt do any form of attack against u, but then he can jump below u and uair so thats risky.

Just listen to my first advice. Ull win percentage leads with ice blocks and spacing blizzards on the ledge.

I would call ur friend out on excessively planking. Theres a reason why ledge grab rules was created. Otherwise mk would never lose in brawl.

 

[swordgard]

pit would lose if he excessively planked. Just only get hit if u do by his arrows. His moves would be retardedly deteriorated and do 1-2%. He has to come on stage to do attacks if he wants to win.

I know it sounds dumb but its brawl. Once you give into camping u more than likely lose. A lot of times id time when he would ledge hop back on and just grab. So he couldnt do any form of attack against u, but then he can jump below u and uair so thats risky.

Just listen to my first advice. Ull win percentage leads with ice blocks and spacing blizzards on the ledge.

What the hell are you doing posting at this time of the day O.o

 

[Smoom77]

I was playing on WiFail the other day and we were playing on BF. I was running off the left platform to the right and blizzard'd. Maybe I'm just crazy and this happens all the time, but I kept my momentum and I was still doing my blizzard probably at the some point of the beginning of the right platform on the ground. I haven't really looked at this, but I bet this is common and I'm being really dumb lol.

Anyone...? :/

 

[Bnzaaa]

Lains the only one that gives me a competent response.
Other people just say something like " lulz IDK " " just quit " or just continue their random spam. T_T
The IC boards are so meh.

I was just trying to help . I mean I did play Rogue Pit before so I'd like to say I know what I'm talking about.

What you were doing in the video with your Ice Blocks was shooting them along the ground. If you do that, the Ice Block fly right over the edge. Spacing yourself so that Blizzard will reach and your aerials won't will force him to only shoot arrows at you if he wants to do damage at the ledge. Shooting the Ice Blocks from the air from that spot makes the Ice Blocks go towards the ledge where he is. It's not like his invincibility last throughout the entire attack like Metaknight can do with his Up-Air.

Meep basically said the same thing I was trying to say. Also if you're on Battlefield and he ledge-camps, you can shoot Ice Blocks on the side platforms so that the Ice Blocks drop towards the ledge.

Anyone...? :/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esHEXHN2yMo

You're talking about something like this from what I can tell. If you do a special at the edge out of a dash, you'll keep the momentum you had from the ground. Works for all characters.
There's a vid of more characters doing it somewhere but I can't find it.

 

[Snipa4800]

Thanks for the response Meep.

pit would lose if he excessively planked. Just only get hit if u do by his arrows. His moves would be retardedly deteriorated and do 1-2%. He has to come on stage to do attacks if he wants to win.

He usually lands an early arrow and then can immediatly take his percentage lead and run to the edge.

but then he can jump below u and uair so thats risky.

This happens happens if I dare go near the edge.

I would call ur friend out on excessively planking. Theres a reason why ledge grab rules was created. Otherwise mk would never lose in brawl.

I play Ic's so I really don't blame him for playing gay , plus I don't wanna be the scrub that whines about something.

The way I see it , the match is decided by who lands the first hit really.Don't let pit hit you in the beginning is all I can think of.

 

[Diddyknight]

I blame Snake -.-

 

[SuSa]

Awww.. I'm sorry iCe... :'(

I had to knock you AND DAO out of the tourney. D= I felt like ****, beating two of my friends.

....

 

[r3d d09]

Wait... SuSa does have a soul? O.o this is so new to me haha jk <3

 

[Teh Future]

Sooooo wat ever happened to those vids Hylian was supposed to get up?

 

[Diddyknight]

Guess we have to wait for them >.>

 

[IxxI]

I want those videos as well.

 

[T3h Albino]

Would anyone mind helping a fellow IC player out?
I know it sounds kind of stupid, but I've been having some trouble with the falco matchup.
I tried to find some kind of matchup discussion, but there is none on these boards or the Falco boards.
So I figured I'd just come to you guys. Any tips are welcome.

Please and Thank You ^_^

 

[Prawn]

Would anyone mind helping a fellow IC player out?
I know it sounds kind of stupid, but I've been having some trouble with the falco matchup.
I tried to find some kind of matchup discussion, but there is none on these boards or the Falco boards.
So I figured I'd just come to you guys. Any tips are welcome.

Please and Thank You ^_^

-Dthrow to edge/grab release/edgehog(or edgeguard) is ****.

-The bthrow timing for Fox/Falco is EXTREMELY quick, think of them as lightweights in this area.

-Blizzard > anything falco can do(except maybe for a well spaced reflector? but you should be punishing this with a grab)

thats all i really can think of off the top of my head,

use desyncd iceblocks a lot.

 

[swordgard]

-Dthrow to edge/grab release/edgehog(or edgeguard) is ****.

-The bthrow timing for Fox/Falco is EXTREMELY quick, think of them as lightweights in this area.

-Blizzard > anything falco can do(except maybe for a well spaced reflector? but you should be punishing this with a grab)

thats all i really can think of off the top of my head,

use desyncd iceblocks a lot.

Go look at my matchup book i guess, some things are similar, but reflector ***** blizz.

 

[Prawn]

Go look at my matchup book i guess, some things are similar, but reflector ***** blizz.

I figured but no flaco's use it against me?

??? Hope they don't catch on

 

[Funen1]

-The bthrow timing for Fox/Falco is EXTREMELY quick, think of them as lightweights in this area.

Well, since Fox and Falco ARE lightweights, that would make sense.

-Blizzard > anything falco can do(except maybe for a well spaced reflector? but you should be punishing this with a grab).

Don't lasers go through Blizzard? The lasers don't have a hurtbox (if I remember right), so the two shouldn't interact. Of course, Ice Blocks fare better at deterring them.

 

[Prawn]

Well, since Fox and Falco ARE lightweights, that would make sense.


Don't lasers go through Blizzard? The lasers don't have a hurtbox (if I remember right), so the two shouldn't interact. Of course, Ice Blocks fare better at deterring them.

They don't exactly look like lightweights, iunno.

and yeah of course lasers do I would assume it would be obvious to not approach with blizzard, i meant SH double blizz or something to that effect.

 

[FrozenHobo]

Would anyone mind helping a fellow IC player out?
I know it sounds kind of stupid, but I've been having some trouble with the falco matchup.
I tried to find some kind of matchup discussion, but there is none on these boards or the Falco boards.
So I figured I'd just come to you guys. Any tips are welcome.

Please and Thank You ^_^

kismet problems? ha. haha. hahaha.. HA HA HA! MUAHAHAHA! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


screw help at the matchup, you need to get better with ICs first. from what people have been telling me you aren't as good with them as yet as you are with D3. work on that first, and THEN worry about people like kismet.... because thats the only falco you should be losing to.

 

[T3h Albino]

He is the only falco im losing to.
I mean D3 is terrible versus Falco, and I'm sick of getting my *** handed to me in that ******* matchup.
Why use D3 against falco when I do second IC's who do much better.
I dont have anything to base the matchup off of, no vids, no discussion so of course I had to ask.
Yeah my IC's aren't as good as my D3, but I'm still getting better with them. ;3

 

[meepxzero]

If you wanna figure out how to win a match up think about why the characters loses to the ice climbers rather than what things beat their character.

for example cant cg ic and pretty much one grab is a death. Solution camp the hell outta falco and wait for a mistake. Still testing if you can pivot grab their over b LOL, but i dont think you can unless ur far enough away from them.

 

[r3d d09]

wait... pivot grab doesn't work on falco? O.o pivot grab works 75% of the time, every time *lul*

if IC's cant PivotGrab falco. i quit IC's

 

[IxxI]

Ice blocks > Phantasm

If you land one while he does a phanatasm It's pretty much a free grab if it's desynced.

 

[Fly_Amanita]

You can pivot grab Falco out of his side-B, but the timing is very strict. It might only work on certain parts of the phantasm; I'm not sure. Ask Fiction; he plays the match-up with Larry a lot and he knows a bunch of anti-Falco crap.

 

[lain]

It's actually easier to just stand there and grab.

It automatically grab breaks, so if you're quick enough with Nana you can run and grab him. Off the edge it's a death.

 

[Diddyknight]

Its a fun matchup for me imo. SH/FH IB work pretty well against laser happy falcos. But yeah. Talk to Fiction. He play larry a ton to know the matchup very well.

 

[Smoom77]

I read the article on AIB about smashwiki improvement. Can we start a project to improve the ICs page? It pretty much sucks right now. Probably like 5 paragraphs for melee/brawl/nes.

 

[Prawn]

I read the article on AIB about smashwiki improvement. Can we start a project to improve the ICs page? It pretty much sucks right now. Probably like 5 paragraphs for melee/brawl/nes.

I wish there was no info about them anywherez.

Learn the shiz yourself it'll make you better.

EDIT: I wasn't talking to you with that last remark Smoom I was just saying it in general

 

[FrozenHobo]

I read the article on AIB about smashwiki improvement. Can we start a project to improve the ICs page? It pretty much sucks right now. Probably like 5 paragraphs for melee/brawl/nes.

what 5 paragraphs are you talking about?[/url]

 

[Coffee™]

pit would lose if he excessively planked. Just only get hit if u do by his arrows. His moves would be retardedly deteriorated and do 1-2%. He has to come on stage to do attacks if he wants to win.

Thats not necessarily true because once he's on the ledge he isn't getting hit by anything ICs are throwing out while the ICs are more or less still getting hit by arrows. Even if they do 2% - 3% which is the minimum, it's still more than the ICs are doing.

I know it sounds dumb but its brawl. Once you give into camping u more than likely lose. A lot of times id time when he would ledge hop back on and just grab. So he couldnt do any form of attack against u, but then he can jump below u and uair so thats risky.

Yeh, Brawl is pretty dumb.

Just listen to my first advice. Ull win percentage leads with ice blocks and spacing blizzards on the ledge.

Blizzard isn't that great vs Pit on the ledge since he can just arrow through it and more or less if ICs are in range to hit Pit with Blizzard on the ledge then they are also in range to get hit with his Uair. Idk maybe try using desynched jumping angled IB over the ledge while the other one is using blizzard