Sieguest
Smash Master
I hate fighting small characters with a passion 
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So I guess ICs are "S Tier" now :) / :( ?
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IxxI
Smash Fence
DThrow>Move forward>Grab
Teh Future
Smash Master
^^ only works on fox lol
Spiking wario is dumb.
Spiking is not always dumb. So far Ive played two people who have managed to tech the stage. So thats 2/127398172308712. Not that many. You guys make it sound like if you were watching another IC player and they spiked someone you would run forward and yell at them for being stupid. Against characters like snake sometimes the best option is to spike b/c if you turn him around you'll mess up. Just dont spike on Yoshi's Island lul
Spiking wario is dumb.
Spiking is not always dumb. So far Ive played two people who have managed to tech the stage. So thats 2/127398172308712. Not that many. You guys make it sound like if you were watching another IC player and they spiked someone you would run forward and yell at them for being stupid. Against characters like snake sometimes the best option is to spike b/c if you turn him around you'll mess up. Just dont spike on Yoshi's Island lul
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
play better people. competent players will tech it 99% of the time with that extra 1% being spiked the first time. i NEVER pull **** like that against Reflex, Big Lou and Rayku because they will tech it 100% of the time and then punish. to emphasis the point, every person i've ever spiked has learned the tech timing by the end of the match, even if i did it twice. its a bad idea because its obvious, escapable, and if they DI right you can't really follow up with anything. fthrow -> fair -> squall works because you can hit them before they touch the ground. just fthrow -> fair, however, even if you buffer a smash, will not work on good players more than once (assuming you're lucky enough to get the first one to work, anyway).
if the people you play can't tech it, then lucky you, they all suck royally. if you're lying to emphasis a point, then more power to you.
Learn to not mess up. And jumping works till very high percent, and tech works forever.
Bnzaaa
Smash Ace
At a tournament right now. All laggy screens . Hopefully I do ok...
Thursday I went to a tournament at a local college and split first. There were only laggy screens there also but I was able to outskill and outsmart most of them (and get really lucky at times.) If I feel like it I'll decribe it and this one later but don't expect me to.
I didn't get any money, but I got free entry into the VGExpo, which would have cost me $30-$50 to go to.
. Hopefully I do ok...Thursday I went to a tournament at a local college and split first. There were only laggy screens there also but I was able to outskill and outsmart most of them (and get really lucky at times.) If I feel like it I'll decribe it and this one later but don't expect me to.
I didn't get any money, but I got free entry into the VGExpo, which would have cost me $30-$50 to go to.
IxxI
Smash Fence
What's wrong with the IC boards? Aren't we supposed to be the character with the most potential in the tier list?
We WERE active once e_alert started testing and helping us all out, but now we're dead again. What the hell.
We WERE active once e_alert started testing and helping us all out, but now we're dead again. What the hell.
TigerWoods
Smash Champion
Lol... lets discuss more Desynch combos!
Does anyone else here like to do the solo squall+blizzard thing?
Does anyone else here like to do the solo squall+blizzard thing?
No worries i got something coming up for yall. 2 videos of what you can do with a solo climber.
IxxI
Smash Fence
That's what the desync thread is for, e_alert was the only real person to make me think that the IC boards had a chance for being active.
Videos could help, along with a guide. ;P
Does MK really need a character board? All they ask for is critique, lol.
Il upload sometime during next week, exams+matchup book to do first.
Teh Future
Smash Master
lol you guys are stupid. Frozen quit name dropping everyone knows your terrible anyways.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
lol, you must feel really salty to make that claim. did it hurt your ego i said everyone you play against sucks... lmao!
Snipa4800
Smash Lord
Wth are we supposed to do about a planking Pit with the intention of timing you out?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chBT-pUBdVA&feature=sub
I had absolutely no way to deal with it.
Lain where you atttttt?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chBT-pUBdVA&feature=sub
I had absolutely no way to deal with it.
Lain where you atttttt?
IxxI
Smash Fence
If you were on WiFail, that's your problem.
How are we stupid. Please bring arguments instead of randomly flaming people. Now, yes he name dropped, but thats because you said noone techs and he wanted to give you names, otherwise saying: "I know people who do" without saying who they are is kinda pointless aint it?
Why spiking is bad:
Against an opponent you know wont tech/survive: He might during his mashing DI towards stage and survive randomly.
Against someone you know wont tech/survive: You have been relying on your spiking so much, you wont be able to cg 0 to death.
Against people you never played: If you try to spike and he recovers, you just lost one free stock you could have taken from him. If you dont, chances are youl mess up due to relying on it.
When you could simply learn to perfectly CG and not have any bad side to it.
Snipa4800
Smash Lord
I don't play wifi , and that wouldn't be the problem anyway.....
The problem is , I don't think Ic's can do a single thing about a planking pit.
meepxzero
Smash Master
i like spiking people when i come close to 3 stocking them just because it probably looks boring 0-deathing people all 3 stocks.
Usually if u can pull that off they are playing horribly and will tech poorly.
Usually if u can pull that off they are playing horribly and will tech poorly.
Teh Future
Smash Master
Im probably better than like 90% of people in here at Chaingrabing. Regardless, EVERYONE messes up. I don't care if you say you don't, because you do. Im not saying to spike people all the time. Im not saying to spike people at 50% or even doing it more than once or twice a set.
Spiking works, regardless of what you say. Ya if you spike people EVERY time you grab them they are going to learn to tech it. If you do it at the ledge after turning them around last time they were grabbed they aren't gonna be expecting it anyways and will be too focused on mashing out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idBH1UVifSI
omfg ninjalink is a terrible player.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YGKHFjXPis&feature=channel_page
omfg anther is terrible.
oooooo look what I did. Gais guess what this one time I plaied anther. OMFG that means Im rly g00d at th1s gaym3 rit3?
I almost never spike people because CGing them to upsmash is better in almost every situation. That doesn't mean spiking should never be. doneSpiking people still works regardless of what you guys say.
IC boards should be less hoe mo.
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Spiking works, regardless of what you say. Ya if you spike people EVERY time you grab them they are going to learn to tech it. If you do it at the ledge after turning them around last time they were grabbed they aren't gonna be expecting it anyways and will be too focused on mashing out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idBH1UVifSI
omfg ninjalink is a terrible player.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YGKHFjXPis&feature=channel_page
omfg anther is terrible.
oooooo look what I did. Gais guess what this one time I plaied anther. OMFG that means Im rly g00d at th1s gaym3 rit3?
I almost never spike people because CGing them to upsmash is better in almost every situation. That doesn't mean spiking should never be. doneSpiking people still works regardless of what you guys say.
IC boards should be less hoe mo.
edit:
lol
Bnzaaa
Smash Ace
The only time I really spike is if I manage to grab them at the edge at very low percent because they break out before I can Back-Throw. It's more for damaging purposes because if they break out then I only get a pummel at most. The only other time is if Nana is really far away and is on the run. Sometimes she won't be in range to get a grab, but she'll get there in time to spike. In that situation, following up with Up-Air is usually better, but I tend to panic.
Space yourself so that you are out of Up-Air/F-Air's reach, and are in range to Blizzard. Also try to shoot the Ice Block so that it angles downward towards the edge by using one Climber to jump and shoot.
I won the tournament I was at yesterday. The rules sucked. It was single elimination, and 3 minute timer. Also the screens were laggy and chaingrabs were banned, so I didn't go Ice Climbers as much as I would have liked to, but every match I did go Ice Climbers I managed to win. I used a lot of characters overall but I went mostly Snake/Ice Climbers. There weren't any notables there, but there were maybe 3 good players that knew what they were doing.
My first round was against a DK/Wolf
My second round was against a Marth/Pikachu
My third round was against a Marth
My fourth round was against a Marth/Metaknight
The final round was against a Pit/Mario/Yoshi
The only set I didn't use Ice Climbers for at all was the fourth one. I knew that the Marth had a pocket Metaknight, so I didn't want to risk using my Ice Climbers (I'll tell you why later.) It was also the only set I dropped a match.
First match of that set I went Snake vs. his Marth and I 3 stocked him high percent because he didn't know that matchup well. Second match he switched to Metaknight and I stayed Snake. He got me to over 150 and couldn't kill me and he was in the 30's and there was 2 minutes left so I started to wall him with explosives. It worked until he decided to plank me to avoid the explosives and he ran the timer.
That match got me angry and I really wanted to win so I decided to counter his Metaknight with Metaknight. He was destroying me at first, but then he got greedy trying to kill me, and I started to punish everything he did. He tried to plank me again, but he went too low and when he popped back up to try to grab the ledge, he got hit by my Down-Smash and died. I did a bit more damage and died with about 10 seconds left so I waited on the revival platform and won.
Thursday I split first at a local college. My bracket was as follows:
Winner's Bracket
Defeated Matt (Metaknight/Marth) 2-0
Defeated Yien (Metaknight/Snake) 2-0
Defeated Neil (Donkey Kong/Diddy Kong) 2-0
Lost to Rush (Diddy Kong) 3-2
Loser's Bracket
Defeated Jeff (Lucario) 3-1
Grand Finals
Defeated Rush 3-2
The second set wasn't played out and we split.
The Metaknights I faced in the earlier rounds I almost dropped games to. We were playing on laggy tv's so my chaingrabs weren't nearly consistant as I would have liked them to be (especially the SoPo ones.) The first Metaknight I faced I messed up the chaingrab around 85 and sd's at 30 first stock. Luckily he failed to finish Nana 3rd stock when I was at 113 and I managed to 0-death him. The second Metaknight I faced was beating me the entire match, but he got greedy in gimping Nana and Up-B'd too far away from the actual stage. I edgehogged him and he lost his last stock at 10 percent.
Both Metaknights took advantage of my poor airdodging habits, and my tendency to go for Nana everytime she's hit away from me. Though I was messing up the chaingrabs, I was still doing a lot of damage with them, and if I were to face that Metaknight yesterday with the way I play now, I most likely would have lost. I need to work on fixing that really soon, because it's been my biggest weakness since the very beginning.
When both players switched from Metaknight to another character, I 2 and 3 stocked them respectively. On Snake I only got one grab on him, which I finished a stock off with, but that was because he spent most of the match being juggled by me
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The DK was good but I know that matchup pretty well so he didn't really stand a chance. I 2 stocked him and my lost stock was a result of a Giant-Punch. He ledge-hopped and I predicted it, so I thought I could powershield and grab him. This was a really stupid idea because Nana would have died. However I missed the powershield, and I ended up grabbing early and died though Nana blocked the attack. It was a tactical error on my part and I should have left him alone, since Giant-Punch is pretty much unpunishable.
He switched to Diddy second round and counterpicked me to Rainbow Cruise and even though Nana died early, my SoPo stood it's ground and 3 stocked him.
Winner's Finals went back and forth. I won on Battlefield. Rush won on Smashville. I won on Castle Seige. Rush then won on Battlefield and Final Destination.
The 4th match (second one on Battlefield) was really disappointing. I had a full stock lead on him, but he gained momentum and got me to death percent while I struggled to finish his last stock for the last 2 minutes of the match. I got him to 172 and he was at the ledge. He Side-B'd away from the stage to pull out Bananas. I went for the ledge to edgehog, but missed the ledge. I used my second jump to grab the ledge, but the Banana stole my jump. Nana was too far away to Squall Hammer back onstage, so I used Up-B. Nana was perfectly spaced to hit him off and grab the ledge. This was enough to kill Diddy off the top...
However, I got caught under the stage. So Nana recovered, and Diddy went to the background, but I died first. Then I lost a last hit, last stock match on Final Destination.
Loser's Finals was interesting. I didn't know the Lucario matchup at all from an Ice Climber's perspective, but I did know it from Lucario's perspective. However he didn't so I 3 stocked him first match. I decided to tell him what he could do against the Ice Climbers. He counterpicked me to Rainbow Cruise and still lost but did a lot better.
At this point, he was getting good at avoiding the grab. Third match he counterpicked me back to Rainbow Cruise. Then he learned how to separate and kill Nana. Last stock Nana got killed pretty quickly and it was down to both of us at death percent. I Up-Smashed him on the boat, but he hit the checkered box thing at the very top and landed on the very top platform (the one hidden from view.) He proceded to kill me shortly after.
Fourth match was difficult now that he knew what to do. I only grabbed him one time, and he killed Nana pretty early all 3 times. Last stock my SoPo got comboed hard and he was at kill percent. His Aura Sphere was fully charged, being launched offstage would have meant the match. He missed the Aura Sphere and I punished a roll with a B-Air which ended up killing him at 176 or so. If he had DI'd perfectly, he probably would have survived, for my B-Air was stale, and he flew from the far left to the right.
In grand finals, Rush won on Final Destination, I won on Battlefield, Rush won on Smashville, I beat his Metaknight on Castle Siege, and I won on Lylat Cruise. The winner's finals set and first grand finals set took about an hour altogether, and we didn't feel like playing another 30-40 minute set, so we split.
I'll be pretty active this month. I wonder how I'll stack up against tougher opponents.
Good stuff. Who did you beat?
Going offstage is the last thing you want to do against a planking opponent.
Space yourself so that you are out of Up-Air/F-Air's reach, and are in range to Blizzard. Also try to shoot the Ice Block so that it angles downward towards the edge by using one Climber to jump and shoot.
I won the tournament I was at yesterday. The rules sucked. It was single elimination, and 3 minute timer. Also the screens were laggy and chaingrabs were banned, so I didn't go Ice Climbers as much as I would have liked to, but every match I did go Ice Climbers I managed to win. I used a lot of characters overall but I went mostly Snake/Ice Climbers. There weren't any notables there, but there were maybe 3 good players that knew what they were doing.
My first round was against a DK/Wolf
My second round was against a Marth/Pikachu
My third round was against a Marth
My fourth round was against a Marth/Metaknight
The final round was against a Pit/Mario/Yoshi
The only set I didn't use Ice Climbers for at all was the fourth one. I knew that the Marth had a pocket Metaknight, so I didn't want to risk using my Ice Climbers (I'll tell you why later.) It was also the only set I dropped a match.
First match of that set I went Snake vs. his Marth and I 3 stocked him high percent because he didn't know that matchup well. Second match he switched to Metaknight and I stayed Snake. He got me to over 150 and couldn't kill me and he was in the 30's and there was 2 minutes left so I started to wall him with explosives. It worked until he decided to plank me to avoid the explosives and he ran the timer.
That match got me angry and I really wanted to win so I decided to counter his Metaknight with Metaknight. He was destroying me at first, but then he got greedy trying to kill me, and I started to punish everything he did. He tried to plank me again, but he went too low and when he popped back up to try to grab the ledge, he got hit by my Down-Smash and died. I did a bit more damage and died with about 10 seconds left so I waited on the revival platform and won.
Thursday I split first at a local college. My bracket was as follows:
Winner's Bracket
Defeated Matt (Metaknight/Marth) 2-0
Defeated Yien (Metaknight/Snake) 2-0
Defeated Neil (Donkey Kong/Diddy Kong) 2-0
Lost to Rush (Diddy Kong) 3-2
Loser's Bracket
Defeated Jeff (Lucario) 3-1
Grand Finals
Defeated Rush 3-2
The second set wasn't played out and we split.
The Metaknights I faced in the earlier rounds I almost dropped games to. We were playing on laggy tv's so my chaingrabs weren't nearly consistant as I would have liked them to be (especially the SoPo ones.) The first Metaknight I faced I messed up the chaingrab around 85 and sd's at 30 first stock. Luckily he failed to finish Nana 3rd stock when I was at 113 and I managed to 0-death him. The second Metaknight I faced was beating me the entire match, but he got greedy in gimping Nana and Up-B'd too far away from the actual stage. I edgehogged him and he lost his last stock at 10 percent.
Both Metaknights took advantage of my poor airdodging habits, and my tendency to go for Nana everytime she's hit away from me. Though I was messing up the chaingrabs, I was still doing a lot of damage with them, and if I were to face that Metaknight yesterday with the way I play now, I most likely would have lost. I need to work on fixing that really soon, because it's been my biggest weakness since the very beginning.
When both players switched from Metaknight to another character, I 2 and 3 stocked them respectively. On Snake I only got one grab on him, which I finished a stock off with, but that was because he spent most of the match being juggled by me
.The DK was good but I know that matchup pretty well so he didn't really stand a chance. I 2 stocked him and my lost stock was a result of a Giant-Punch. He ledge-hopped and I predicted it, so I thought I could powershield and grab him. This was a really stupid idea because Nana would have died. However I missed the powershield, and I ended up grabbing early and died though Nana blocked the attack. It was a tactical error on my part and I should have left him alone, since Giant-Punch is pretty much unpunishable.
He switched to Diddy second round and counterpicked me to Rainbow Cruise and even though Nana died early, my SoPo stood it's ground and 3 stocked him.
Winner's Finals went back and forth. I won on Battlefield. Rush won on Smashville. I won on Castle Seige. Rush then won on Battlefield and Final Destination.
The 4th match (second one on Battlefield) was really disappointing. I had a full stock lead on him, but he gained momentum and got me to death percent while I struggled to finish his last stock for the last 2 minutes of the match. I got him to 172 and he was at the ledge. He Side-B'd away from the stage to pull out Bananas. I went for the ledge to edgehog, but missed the ledge. I used my second jump to grab the ledge, but the Banana stole my jump. Nana was too far away to Squall Hammer back onstage, so I used Up-B. Nana was perfectly spaced to hit him off and grab the ledge. This was enough to kill Diddy off the top...
However, I got caught under the stage. So Nana recovered, and Diddy went to the background, but I died first
. Then I lost a last hit, last stock match on Final Destination.Loser's Finals was interesting. I didn't know the Lucario matchup at all from an Ice Climber's perspective, but I did know it from Lucario's perspective. However he didn't so I 3 stocked him first match. I decided to tell him what he could do against the Ice Climbers. He counterpicked me to Rainbow Cruise and still lost but did a lot better.
At this point, he was getting good at avoiding the grab. Third match he counterpicked me back to Rainbow Cruise. Then he learned how to separate and kill Nana. Last stock Nana got killed pretty quickly and it was down to both of us at death percent. I Up-Smashed him on the boat, but he hit the checkered box thing at the very top and landed on the very top platform (the one hidden from view.) He proceded to kill me shortly after.
Fourth match was difficult now that he knew what to do. I only grabbed him one time, and he killed Nana pretty early all 3 times. Last stock my SoPo got comboed hard and he was at kill percent. His Aura Sphere was fully charged, being launched offstage would have meant the match. He missed the Aura Sphere and I punished a roll with a B-Air which ended up killing him at 176 or so. If he had DI'd perfectly, he probably would have survived, for my B-Air was stale, and he flew from the far left to the right.
In grand finals, Rush won on Final Destination, I won on Battlefield, Rush won on Smashville, I beat his Metaknight on Castle Siege, and I won on Lylat Cruise. The winner's finals set and first grand finals set took about an hour altogether, and we didn't feel like playing another 30-40 minute set, so we split.
I'll be pretty active this month. I wonder how I'll stack up against tougher opponents.
Diddyknight
Smash Lord
O.O huge post xD
lain
Smash Master
Yeah I didn't read any of that **** it contained all the words in smashboards combined.
Rogue Pit, along with MANY other pits I've played, would all sit down and say "I'm gonna plank the **** out of you". And I'm just like O_o.
Iceblocks are your friend.
Rogue Pit, along with MANY other pits I've played, would all sit down and say "I'm gonna plank the **** out of you". And I'm just like O_o.
Iceblocks are your friend.
Diddyknight
Smash Lord
Someone used "Nya~!" yesterday as a tag from my tourny last night lol
TigerWoods
Smash Champion
Not sure if anyone noticed this... but if you say that you are IC'ing.... it spells Icing!
Yay... I finally contributed to this board :/
Yay... I finally contributed to this board :/
I was playing on WiFail the other day and we were playing on BF. I was running off the left platform to the right and blizzard'd. Maybe I'm just crazy and this happens all the time, but I kept my momentum and I was still doing my blizzard probably at the some point of the beginning of the right platform on the ground. I haven't really looked at this, but I bet this is common and I'm being really dumb lol.
Snipa4800
Smash Lord
A smart Pit wont get hit by blizzards , and if he doesn't feel like dealing with an"angled iceblock" he can mirror sheild , re-grab the ledge , fly to the other side completely , and sometimes fly back and hit you with an arrow.
Rayvn and I talked about the matchup and he doesn't even know what we can do about it. ._.;;
I feel your pain >_>
Sieguest
Smash Master
That's when you go Rambo on that Pit and jump off the stage and Bair him....
jk jk
Bnzaaa
Smash Ace
That's just how I think of fighting Pit on the ledge, but it has been a while...
Lain did beat Rogue Pit, and other Pit's too, so I'm sure there are ways around it.
Lain did beat Rogue Pit, and other Pit's too, so I'm sure there are ways around it.
Snipa4800
Smash Lord
Im still waiting for lains outlook on this.
Answer in yellow.
r3d d09
Smash Master
why just lain's? we have other top IC players. Lain is only one of them. we always can't resort to him in our need of questions being answered. haha
FYI, ninjalink mains MK now.
FYI, ninjalink mains MK now.
Sieguest
Smash Master
lolwut?
this creates a whole paradox here...
Ninjalink maining MK?
Nuuuuuu.......
I still say ICs should just go Rambo on a planking Pit
r3d d09
Smash Master
the clip itself is a paradox... he plays ROB xD.
Yeah, i've never played a good pit. and when i do play one. they never plank because they know i will stage spike them. . . my favorite thing to do with sonic fyi :D
Sieguest
Smash Master
This is horrible...
me neither, though if I ever played a good pit. I'd go Pit.
Plank Wars...
Who runs out of jumps first?
who's the better Rambo Pit?
Who lands the sweetspotted Bair? O_o
EDIT: oh yeah almost forgot...
HIYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAAAAH!
Snipa4800
Smash Lord
Lains the only one that gives me a competent response.
Other people just say something like " lulz IDK " " just quit " or just continue their random spam. T_T
The IC boards are so meh.
Sieguest
Smash Master
.............JERK! (
)"Going Rambo on Pit" the jk jk was the Rambo part...
but the point is that if you're not going use blizzard and Ice Blocks, then you can always attempt use an aerial off stage like Bair. Sometimes you take chances
Besides, couldn't an Ice Block still hit Pit if you land it just behind his shield even if he tilts it up?